Raven: Extra feat bug


Rules Questions


The Raven entry in the PRD lists 2 feats for this 1 HD animal:

Feats: Skill Focus (Perception), Weapon Finesse

Skill Focus should be removed - It is not computed in the perception skill of the raven anyways!

RiTz21
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RiTz21 wrote:

The Raven entry in the PRD lists 2 feats for this 1 HD animal:

Feats: Skill Focus (Perception), Weapon Finesse

Skill Focus should be removed - It is not computed in the perception skill of the raven anyways!

RiTz21

No way! Ravens gets it cuz' ravens is COOL!

Besides, something has to make up for the lousy Appraisal bonus they get as a familiar.

~s-raven


Ravens can also learn a language, so they can speak to their "master" prior to the caster getting the "speak with familiar" ability.


actually I think the weapon finesse is a bonus feat


Joseph Raiten wrote:
actually I think the weapon finesse is a bonus feat

If that would be the case, then there would be two errors here!

RiTz21


Lots of the other familiar animals get "weapon finesse" and the feat is applied to their attack bonuses. The error is in Skill Focus (Perception).


Mauril wrote:
Lots of the other familiar animals get "weapon finesse" and the feat is applied to their attack bonuses. The error is in Skill Focus (Perception).

From what I have seen while processing the Animals, the bonus feat is uncommon. In any case, something ain't right here... :P

RiTz21


Also, most bonus feats are marked with a superscript B.

Sovereign Court

I'm pretty sure that all animals gain weapon finesse as a bonus feat if their dexterity is higher than their strength.

Edit: Actually, it might be tiny or smaller creatures... I'm sure read it somewhere, I'll have a look.

Edit2: Ok, it seems I'm wrong (bats are both animals and diminutive, yet have taken weapon finesse as their single feat)...


RiTz21 wrote:

The Raven entry in the PRD lists 2 feats for this 1 HD animal:

Feats: Skill Focus (Perception), Weapon Finesse

Skill Focus should be removed - It is not computed in the perception skill of the raven anyways!

RiTz21
http://TheOnlySheet.com

I was just working on this problem. I didn't think about the fact that the Raven has too many feats. I was just going to change the Perception to +9 (from +6).

Perception +9 (+2 WIS, +1 Rank, +3 Class Skill, +3 Skill Focus)

Obviously, the Bestiary entry for Raven doesn't even add the +3 Skill Focus feat, and it shouldn't have 2 feats anyway. The correction appears to be what you stated: delete the Skill Focus feat.

Also, the Fly skill is +6 per the errata, not +5 in the first printing

Fly +6 (+2 DEX, +4 size modifier)


Calixymenthillian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that all animals gain weapon finesse as a bonus feat if their dexterity is higher than their strength.

You may have been thinking about the rule that all tiny and smaller creatures get their Dex bonus instead of their Str bonus added to their CMB.

Dark Archive

I don't have the book with me here but I believe that any creature gets weapon finesse as a bonus feat with its natural weapons if it's Dexterity is higher than it's Strength. I know it was like that in 3.5 anyway, I haven't made any custom monsters for Pathfinder yet.

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