I think a weight guideline would be a good idea to add to the base forms. Something like;
Bipedal
Weight 80-150lbs.
Quadraped
Weight 120-190lbs.
Serpentine
Weight 100-170lbs.
And then for the different sizes just follow the standard weight adjustments for Enlarge/Reduce person.
The problem with this is it really depends on what the eidolon is supposed to be. If your eidolon is intended to be something like a fire elemental, its weight is going to be lower than normal. If you're going for an earth elemental (or a golem), it's going to be significantly higher than the norm.
I think this is something that should be left open ended and up to the player and the GM. The eidolon can take far too wide a variety of forms to make any table sensible. Such a table would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.
Just pick a weight that makes sense for the eidolon's concept and stick with it.
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I think this is something that should be left open ended and up to the player and the GM. The eidolon can take far too wide a variety of forms to make any table sensible. Such a table would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.
Just pick a weight that makes sense for the eidolon's concept and stick with it.
I think they should come out with a chart and let GM use a house rule if he/she wants. They have done many things to make a table that "would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.". And of course some GMs and players change things to suit the play style of the homebrew so IMO they need to set a chart up for this as well.
I think they should come out with a chart and let GM use a house rule if he/she wants. They have done many things to make a table that "would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.". And of course some GMs and players change things to suit the play style of the homebrew so IMO they need to set a chart up for this as well.I think this is something that should be left open ended and up to the player and the GM. The eidolon can take far too wide a variety of forms to make any table sensible. Such a table would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.
Just pick a weight that makes sense for the eidolon's concept and stick with it.
In that case, it should have a wide range to account for the wide range of eidolons.
How much does a small sized creature consisting of whispy smoke or air weigh? 1 oz? That should be the minimum. Now how much does a 5 x 5 x 5 ft. cube of lead weigh? That should be the maximum. Repeat this for each size category of eidolon available.
So the lightest thing on your imagination limiting table will be ~ 1 oz. and the heaviest thing on the table will be whatever a 15 x 15 x 15 ft. cube of solid lead weighs (or whatever element you can think of that might be heavier than lead).
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I think they should come out with a chart and let GM use a house rule if he/she wants. They have done many things to make a table that "would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.". And of course some GMs and players change things to suit the play style of the homebrew so IMO they need to set a chart up for this as well.I think this is something that should be left open ended and up to the player and the GM. The eidolon can take far too wide a variety of forms to make any table sensible. Such a table would only serve as a limiter to the imagination.
Just pick a weight that makes sense for the eidolon's concept and stick with it.
In that case, it should have a wide range to account for the wide range of eidolons.
How much does a small sized creature consisting of whispy smoke or air weigh? 1 oz? That should be the minimum. Now how much does a 5 x 5 x 5 ft. cube of lead weigh? That should be the maximum. Repeat this for each size category of eidolon available.
So the lightest thing on your imagination limiting table will be ~ 1 oz. and the heaviest thing on the table will be whatever a 15 x 15 x 15 ft. cube of solid lead weighs (or whatever element you can think of that might be heavier than lead).
So I should just make a Large or Huge Big E and claim he is made from Smokey mist right? So now I can cross bridges and over various things in the multi-verse that has weight limits to it. The need to place a weight chart on each form the E can come in.
For what its worth, there isn't a listed weight for every creature that a spellcaster can summon either. Some things just have to be adjudicated when they come up, or else you have a lot of creative people spending a lot of time coming up with minutia.
So I should just make a Large or Huge Big E and claim he is made from Smokey mist right?
Why not? An air elemental is a valid Eidolon type. And it's not like you don't have master's call by the time you have a Huge Eidolon.
Exactly. We have control over its appearance. If it appears like an air elemental, how can it be made out of flesh and bone? KISS. Leave it up to the players and DMs to adjudicate. No reason to meddle in the rules themselves.
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Exactly. We have control over its appearance. If it appears like an air elemental, how can it be made out of flesh and bone? KISS. Leave it up to the players and DMs to adjudicate. No reason to meddle in the rules themselves.
Haven't you heard appearances can be deceiving... Why is there no reason to meddle in the rules? The make sums share the same magic slots as E and other various things made to tailor the S/E I want to see their take on this. Is that asking for too much?
Exactly. We have control over its appearance. If it appears like an air elemental, how can it be made out of flesh and bone? KISS. Leave it up to the players and DMs to adjudicate. No reason to meddle in the rules themselves.Haven't you heard appearances can be deceiving... Why is there no reason to meddle in the rules? The make sums share the same magic slots as E and other various things made to tailor the S/E I want to see their take on this. Is that asking for too much?
If it limits my ability to create the eidolon I want because you talked the designers into making an official rules change, then yes, that is asking for FAR too much.
Now if you were asking for their unofficial opinion on the matter, I wouldn't mind at all.
So which one are you going for?
Yes. There's just too much variability in potential Eidolons for a weight chart to be of any use. Like Ravingdork said, it would be something on the order of "from 1 ounce to 10 tons", which is uselessly broad. No sense wasting the time, energy, or space in the book for that.
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Exactly. We have control over its appearance. If it appears like an air elemental, how can it be made out of flesh and bone? KISS. Leave it up to the players and DMs to adjudicate. No reason to meddle in the rules themselves.Haven't you heard appearances can be deceiving... Why is there no reason to meddle in the rules? The make sums share the same magic slots as E and other various things made to tailor the S/E I want to see their take on this. Is that asking for too much?If it limits my ability to create the eidolon I want because you talked the designers into making an official rules change, then yes, that is asking for FAR too much.
Now if you were asking for their unofficial opinion on the matter, I wouldn't mind at all.
So which one are you going for?
I started this topic to see what other players would say and in hopes Jason might "weight" in on the subject **Rim-shot**
I started this topic to see what other players would say and in hopes Jason might "weight" in on the subject **Rim-shot**
Then I guess I owe you an apology. I still stand by my and Zurai's statements, however.
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I started this topic to see what other players would say and in hopes Jason might "weight" in on the subject **Rim-shot**Then I guess I owe you an apology. I still stand by my and Zurai's statements, however.
No apology needed. This is a place where we are discussing something that has not been set in stone as of yet so we are just exchanging ideas.
So maybe I should get an unseen servant with a str of 2 to drag my large stunned E out of harms way then right? =)
So maybe I should get an unseen servant with a str of 2 to drag my large stunned E out of harms way then right? =)
lol. That is a really cool thought.
If I tied up my E in a single piece of thread then mage handed the thread across lest say an acid pit would that work? Would the thread still be considered unattended since the E is tied up with it and not in possession?
I would consider it attended.
In any case, even if that worked, it wouldn't hurt anything (especially not balance) since there are numerous other ways to get both the summoner and the eidolon across the pit at all levels of play.