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RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

Summoner Changes
Here is a list of changes I could find for the summoner class.

-Only one Summon Monster SLA may be active at a time. If a second is cast the first will end.

-Link has had language included clarifying magic item use

Link:
A summoner and his eidolon share a mental link that allows for communication across any distance (as long as they are on the same plane). This communication is a free action, allowing the summoner to give orders to his eidolon at any time. In addition, magic items interfere with the summoner’s connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to utilize a magic item.

-Eidolons start with 4 skill ranks instead of 8 now. They now have

-Trip and Weapon training have been moved to 2-point evolution

-Frightful Presence has been moved to the 3-point list from the 4-point one

-Large went from 3-point to 4-point and it gives the same bonuses as before. If you spend 4 more points you gain the Huge size with the Huge bonuses which are the same as the old Large and Huge bonuses combined.

There are a lot of spell list changes noted here.

  • Eidolons have 1-2 fewer HD at every level.
  • Eidolons have a maximum number of natural attacks now.
  • The summon monster SLAs are back to standard action, 1 minute/level duration.
  • The only restriction on Eidolon gear is no armor.

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    Scipion del Ferro wrote:


    -Large has been moved to a 4-point evolution with Huge built into it.

    That doesn't quite describe what happened to it..

    RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

    Thanks Zurai! I'm not as familiar with the summoner as the Alchemist. I missed the change for the SLA because I was comparing with the original pdf.

    Cartigan what are you referring too? Large went from 3-point to 4-point and it gives the same bonuses as before. If you send 4 more points you gain the Huge size with the Huge bonuses which are the same as the old Large and Huge bonuses combined.
    Scipion del Ferro wrote:


    Cartigan what are you referring too? Large went from 3-point to 4-point and it gives the same bonuses as before. If you send 4 more points you gain the Huge size with the Huge bonuses which are the same as the old Large and Huge bonuses combined.

    That describes what happened.

    RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

    There ya go ^^ went ahead and spelled it out.

  • When re-summoned, Eidolons return with the same amount of hit points they were unsummoned with, or with half hit points if they were unsummoned through hit point damage.

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    The loss in eidolon hit die has also brought about a loss of stats tied into hit die. When compared to the previous incarnation of the class, the eidolon of a 20th level summoner has lost 2 hd, 2 bab, at least 8 skill ranks, +1 to each good save, and a feat.

    A summoner and her eidolon now share magical item slots. For example, they may only have two rings active between the two of them at any one time.
    Kefit wrote:
    A summoner and her eidolon now share magical item slots. For example, they may only have two rings active between the two of them at any one time.

    I didn't see that. Where's it mentioned? Not that I don't believe you, just want to see which text I missed.

    Zurai wrote:
    I didn't see that. Where's it mentioned? Not that I don't believe you, just want to see which text I missed.

    It's been squished into the Link ability under the Eidolon default special abilities section. Quite the innocuous place to hide a change like this, if you ask me.

    Kefit wrote:
    Zurai wrote:
    I didn't see that. Where's it mentioned? Not that I don't believe you, just want to see which text I missed.
    It's been squished into the Link ability under the Eidolon default special abilities section. Quite the innocuous place to hide a change like this, if you ask me.

    Wow, yeah, you're right. I never thought to check that for magic item restrictions.

    RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

    I added the updated link information to the main post since I can still edit it. That is a big change there.
    Scipion del Ferro wrote:
    I added the updated link information to the main post since I can still edit it. That is a big change there.

    Hey, do you think that means cursed items will transfer to the Summoner if it was originally used by the Eidolon? Seems Jason found a solution he would be comfortable with...

    RPG Superstar 2011 Top 4

    Seems to be a good assumption.

    Like the magic item solution.

    I notice no additional head evolutions though, I had hoped that would make it in, Jason had said he was wanting to do that. :(

    Oh well, I like all the changes so far, although I wish there were some alternate base forms that were more non-combat oriented (higher mental than physical stats), although I can always house rule that I suppose. And also some evolutions designed for healing instead of damaging.

    WoW what a beating summoner and Eidolon took.
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