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That makes me abysmally sad.
Smurfs are whats wrong in the UK.
I am unable to even begin to phathom how a parent could do that to a child let alone THEIR child. I am saddened for the children and would very much like to hurt the parents that allow this.
Not particularly religious, but sometimes the primal nature in me wants to claw its way to the surface and exact a little bit of the ole testament reciprocity upon the inflictor(s).
It's tragic, it really is. As somebody said, the big problem is ignorance. The other big problem is the number of people in this world who happily use misinformation to keep us ignorant for purely selfish reasons.
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Not particularly religious, but sometimes the primal nature in me wants to claw its way to the surface and exact a little bit of the ole testament reciprocity upon the inflictor(s).
The problem is that in most cases the inflictor(s) HAVE had this done to them in the past.
Mothers and Grandmothers in those communities have most likely had it done and are often equally vehement in the belief that it is a necessity.
Read the book Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali (I believe that's the title and author, it's been a few years) if you want a really terrifying glimpse at the mindset of the perpetrators of these types of crimes (the grandmother in this instance)
Not particularly religious, but sometimes the primal nature in me wants to claw its way to the surface and exact a little bit of the ole testament reciprocity upon the inflictor(s).The problem is that in most cases the inflictor(s) HAVE had this done to them in the past.
Mothers and Grandmothers in those communities have most likely had it done and are often equally vehement in the belief that it is a necessity.
Read the book Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali (I believe that's the title and author, it's been a few years) if you want a really terrifying glimpse at the mindset of the perpetrators of these types of crimes (the grandmother in this instance)
+1 on Infidel. Also the book gives a glimpse into cultural mindset that equates a female with an intact clitoris as virtually a hermaphrodite. Ms. Hirsi Ali suffers a lot of taunting before her grandmother takes her for the proceedure.
If you leave a woman anatomically incapable of fully enjoying sex, then she can't really tell a dud from a stud, thus she has little reason to dream of other men.
Now, to bring it home, force her to walk around in a Hefty cinch-sak with an eye slit, then condone gender specific stoning to death for infidelity, then do whatever you can to keep her from a proper education and you've finally done it... you've created a woman with such fear, lack of allure, and narrow perspective that she will likely never cheat. Wrapped in a burka, the perfect gift for the utterly insecure fella.
I'm not into cultural bondage myself. I like free range b@#$%es. <-- (Please forgive the "for comic effect only" crudeness.)
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What ever happened to the good old days of treating these issues like the Brits are attributed when it came to Sati?
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
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I think it might be fairer to ask what is wrong with the communities where this is practiced. Parts of East Africa used to be part of the Empire so we have some immigrants (and refugees) who seem to think this is a good idea (and it is tied up - falsely - with Islam, so many of the practicers think it is in the Koran or something) and, as pointed out above, it is very difficult to get much intelligence on this from the individuals and communities. It is also probably happening in the US too, since you have immigrant from practically everywhere, and probably there aren't too many convictions on your side either. I don't want to sound too indignant that this is being painted as a British phenomenon , especially since it is a horrible practice which should be stamped out wherever it happens, but it might be better to ask "What's wrong in Somalia (or other parts of the Horn of Africa)?" (Answer - lot's of things.)
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Does anyone else remember when this used to be called "female circumcision?" Yeah, right.
Maybe it's the cultural brainwashing in me, but I like it better when my partner can enjoy the fooling around stuff with me.
I'm not into cultural bondage myself. I like free range b@#$%es. <-- (Please forgive the "for comic effect only" crudeness.)I'm so offended.
OK, I'm over it.
lol... well it was exactly your delicate sensibilities around which I walked on eggshells, and let me warn you, a heap of white shrapnel sunk pretty deep into my foot meat and I'll be suing you for new therapeutic goth frankenbootery. ;) I have one pair of boots that push me up over 6'6". I'm fairly disgusting at that height. But I seem to be losing sight the topic at hand. Ah yes... genital butchery.
Does anyone else remember when this used to be called "female circumcision?" Yeah, right.
Maybe it's the cultural brainwashing in me, but I like it better when my partner can enjoy the fooling around stuff with me.
If gender roles were reversed I don't think men could easily imagine having their tingle helmet cauterized with a hot iron in the name of purification. Then again... diff'rent strokes. Some people get off on stranger stuff than that.
Read the book Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali (I believe that's the title and author, it's been a few years) if you want a really terrifying glimpse at the mindset of the perpetrators of these types of crimes (the grandmother in this instance)
I remember just seeing it on the shelves at Half Price Books earlier today on my way home. A good read, you say?
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OMG. How totally f!%$ed?
... I don't want to sound too indignant that this is being painted as a British phenomenon , especially since it is a horrible practice which should be stamped out wherever it happens, but it might be better to ask "What's wrong in Somalia (or other parts of the Horn of Africa)?" (Answer - lot's of things.)
I reckon it happens in Canada, too. But genital mutilation parties? That is so f#+~ed. Am I repeating myself?
Am I repeating myself?
Yes, but sometimes it's necessary. No foul.
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If gender roles were reversed I don't think men could easily imagine having their tingle helmet cauterized with a hot iron in the name of purification. Then again... diff'rent strokes. Some people get off on stranger stuff than that.Does anyone else remember when this used to be called "female circumcision?" Yeah, right.
Maybe it's the cultural brainwashing in me, but I like it better when my partner can enjoy the fooling around stuff with me.
What can I say? I was young and feeling invincible.
What can I say? I was young and feeling invincible.If gender roles were reversed I don't think men could easily imagine having their tingle helmet cauterized with a hot iron in the name of purification. Then again... diff'rent strokes. Some people get off on stranger stuff than that.Does anyone else remember when this used to be called "female circumcision?" Yeah, right.
Maybe it's the cultural brainwashing in me, but I like it better when my partner can enjoy the fooling around stuff with me.
Yeah but CH? Nobody pulled off scar tip like you that year. You set the standard, man.
Read the book Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali (I believe that's the title and author, it's been a few years) if you want a really terrifying glimpse at the mindset of the perpetrators of these types of crimes (the grandmother in this instance)I remember just seeing it on the shelves at Half Price Books earlier today on my way home. A good read, you say?
An excellent read. I did the audio book that Ms. Hirsi Ali narrated herself (she has a lovely speaking voice). She really informs you of her journey in life, and the journey of her homeland as well. It really gives a lot of explanations as to WHY Somalia has the troubles it does today (failed Soviet client state, traditional rival clan structure, staging ground for fundamentalist Muslims looking to expand their presence in Africa, etc.)
An excellent read. I did the audio book that Ms. Hirsi Ali narrated herself (she has a lovely speaking voice). She really informs you of her journey in life, and the journey of her homeland as well. It really gives a lot of explanations as to WHY Somalia has the troubles it does today (failed Soviet client state, traditional rival clan structure, staging ground for fundamentalist Muslims looking to expand their presence in Africa, etc.)
HPB has their 20% sale going on through EOD Wednesday, so when I take the missus to the doctor for post-op follow up, maybe I can persuade her for me to step in for a minute to get this. Not that she doesn't think I spend enough time there. Ha!
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An excellent read. I did the audio book that Ms. Hirsi Ali narrated herself (she has a lovely speaking voice). She really informs you of her journey in life, and the journey of her homeland as well. It really gives a lot of explanations as to WHY Somalia has the troubles it does today (failed Soviet client state, traditional rival clan structure, staging ground for fundamentalist Muslims looking to expand their presence in Africa, etc.)HPB has their 20% sale going on through EOD Wednesday, so when I take the missus to the doctor for post-op follow up, maybe I can persuade her for me to step in for a minute to get this. Not that she doesn't think I spend enough time there. Ha!
Which one do you normally go to? I hit the one in Westerville a lot, and the one on Bethel almost as often. Don't get to Lane Ave nearly as much as I should.
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What ever happened to the good old days of treating these issues like the Brits are attributed when it came to Sati?
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
Matthew,
We did. That's why it's illegal. The problem is getting prosecutions. The girls generally don't want to give evidence as it will mean their parents going to jail, especially if they believe this is a valid cultural practice because they haven't seen any different. Believe it or not, women comparing genitals doesn't happen all that often outside of porn films. [j/k] After all, it happened to their mothers, grand-mothers, sisters, etc, so how can they say it's wrong?
HPB has their 20% sale going on through EOD Wednesday, so when I take the missus to the doctor for post-op follow up, maybe I can persuade her for me to step in for a minute to get this. Not that she doesn't think I spend enough time there. Ha!Which one do you normally go to? I hit the one in Westerville a lot, and the one on Bethel almost as often. Don't get to Lane Ave nearly as much as I should.
I guess it all depends on where I'm working or what path I'm driving on a particular day and if I have at least a half hour I can spare and just state I was stuck in traffic. :P
Since I've been working out of the Sawmill Rd area the past several weeks, I've been frequenting the Bethel Rd store as of late (stopped by yesterday). Since I live on the far east side, I also stopped by the Brice-Tussing store too (which is actually underrated). I'll probably swing by the Westerville store next week. The Graceland store, I go to the least.
But Lane avenue is still the king. It's those bookstores near campuses that always have the treasures you stumble upon.
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Read the book Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali (I believe that's the title and author, it's been a few years) if you want a really terrifying glimpse at the mindset of the perpetrators of these types of crimes (the grandmother in this instance)I remember just seeing it on the shelves at Half Price Books earlier today on my way home. A good read, you say?
Honestly one of the best books I've read and one that really sheds like on the extreme fundamentalism in the muslim world without being one-sided in anti-muslim hysteria. The book both made me sad and disgusted at times, but I felt like I actually had a strong intellectual grasp of the issues at hand afterwards as opposed to most people who seem to just repeat whatever they hear from talking heads.
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Honestly one of the best books I've read and one that really sheds like on the extreme fundamentalism in the muslim world without being one-sided in anti-muslim hysteria. The book both made me sad and disgusted at times, but I felt like I actually had a strong intellectual grasp of the issues at hand afterwards as opposed to most people who seem to just repeat whatever they hear from talking heads.Read the book Infidel by Ayan Hirsi Ali (I believe that's the title and author, it's been a few years) if you want a really terrifying glimpse at the mindset of the perpetrators of these types of crimes (the grandmother in this instance)I remember just seeing it on the shelves at Half Price Books earlier today on my way home. A good read, you say?
She is an incredible woman.