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Like some of you, I pick'd up the 4e box set when it came out (PF wasn't out yet, so I had to get something to feed my addiction). But now that I'm done with it, I had a thought that I want'd to try out:
I just pick'd up the PF Bestiary today, and I had already put my PF book in the box the three core books in and thought "Man, it'd be nice to have something like this for PF". So I check it out, and sure enough, the Bestiary fits perfectly into the 4e box, allowing me to cart around my books more easily and laugh that my 4e purchase wasn't a complete waste.
I just pick'd up the PF Bestiary today, and I had already put my PF book in the box the three core books in and thought "Man, it'd be nice to have something like this for PF". So I check it out, and sure enough, the Bestiary fits perfectly into the 4e box, allowing me to cart around my books more easily and laugh that my 4e purchase wasn't a complete waste.
I didn't buy 4e, but I have the slip case for the 3.5 books at home. Guess I will have to try it out when I receive the Bestiary. Wouldn't it be nice if you could buy a sticker with the 3.5 thrives picture that you could paste onto the box?
They do fit perfectly side-by-side. Though the PF books are both slightly longer, so they stick out the front a few millimeters.
Though I wouldn't mind an official Pathfinder slipcase.
<rant>Pathfinder != 3.5. Pathfinder seems to be very successful, so give it its due and say that "Pathfinder thrives!"</rant>
As long as I get that sticker I'm happy :)
Like some of you, I pick'd up the 4e box set when it came out (PF wasn't out yet, so I had to get something to feed my addiction). But now that I'm done with it, I had a thought that I want'd to try out:
I just pick'd up the PF Bestiary today, and I had already put my PF book in the box the three core books in and thought "Man, it'd be nice to have something like this for PF". So I check it out, and sure enough, the Bestiary fits perfectly into the 4e box, allowing me to cart around my books more easily and laugh that my 4e purchase wasn't a complete waste.
The horror! Those poor books, being forced into a 4e slipcase.
That's like someone being forced to wear a suit made out of dead baby kittens. Not their fur - the whole cat. :P
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... laugh that my 4e purchase wasn't a complete waste.
Posts like this piss me off, they are needless trolling. So here are some troll flakes.
Some of us play more then one RPG at any given time. 4E is an amazing RPG, is a large leap from 3.5, yes, is it going to be everyone's cup of tea, no.
I have active PFRPG, and 4E games going on right now, they are both really fun games. They are both really well thought out products. Just because WOTC has a their toilet flush into their PR pipe doesn't diminish the quality of their game, and the only reason people whine so damn loud about 4e is because it is the hip thing to do, fraking sheeple, get off my internets....
/shakes fist from porch rocking chair
I stand corrected.... those kind of posts piss me off, the others just irritate lake sand in your underwear.
Dude. We get it. You - and a lot of other people - like 4th edition. That's fine. Good for you. But you can't expect everyone else to like it too, even for the reason "Galnörag likes it so I should too". Just unrealistic. So just as I accept that there are people - like you - who like that edition, you've got to accept that there are people - like us - who don't. You're not insane, we're not insane... we just have different tastes. Expecting me to refrain from expressing my opinions just isn't fair.
Is this thread troll-food? Yeah, probably, in a kind of tongue-in-cheek sense if you look at the original poster. Is it edition-wars material? Hardly.
All I'm saying is: "hey, look, some people think 4th edition stinks worse than impacted fecal matter stored in the colon of a lactose-intolerant dwarf force-fed a diet of rancid goat's-milk-cheese and garlic". Some people think the same of 3rd. So be it.
I agree I like both system for different reasons, as neither is perfect. Having played roleplaying games forever, any new system is given a fair shake before I try to make any judgements. My intital thought on 4E were not good, but after while, once I understood the system and applied it strengths, I started to have fun.
I believe any post that has 4E or Pathfinder, or any other game system name in it title will draw supporters hoping to share experiences.
Since 3.5 or pathfinder is predominant on this site, mentioning anything in regards to 4E will draw attention.
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... laugh that my 4e purchase wasn't a complete waste.Posts like this piss me off, they are needless trolling. So here are some troll flakes.
Some of us play more then one RPG at any given time. 4E is an amazing RPG, is a large leap from 3.5, yes, is it going to be everyone's cup of tea, no.
I have active PFRPG, and 4E games going on right now, they are both really fun games. They are both really well thought out products. Just because WOTC has a their toilet flush into their PR pipe doesn't diminish the quality of their game, and the only reason people whine so damn loud about 4e is because it is the hip thing to do, fraking sheeple, get off my internets....
/shakes fist from porch rocking chair
+1
I may not like 4e as much as Pathfinder or 3.5, but that doesn't mean I want to see posts degrading it.
Personally I think any system can be entertaining if run by a competent DM and ruined if run by an incompetent DM. 4e is no different.
The trouble I find is that many of 4e's core assumptions would make it more difficult to run a game, and as mentioned earlier, Hasbro's PR ticks me off. So my 4e books sit on the shelf looking rather attractive but not serving much purpose beyond that.
Gyaaaahhhh. Really? Another one of these threads? Can't this war be over and we all flee back to our respective corners and play our favorite games without hating on someone else for playing their favorite game?
These threads are getting old.
I have the core 4e books on my shelf where they gather dust. I occasionally pick them up to browse, thinking I might try running a game, and then the way the system works shuts down what I want to do. I think it's a decent system, it just isn't what I want to play. On the other hand, I do great at helping a few friends of mine who do GM 4e build adventures. So yeah...I'm not running it again. I'll probably keep the books, though, in spite of the fact that I'll probably never use them again.
These threads are getting old.
I don't know what you're talking about. And on an entirely unrelated note...
Where's my heavy armor proficiency?
And why hasn't the oracle been renamed yet?
Do you agree that the alignment system sucks?
Also, there's this one particular mechanic that doesn't work.
So let's all just sit down and discuss my house rule alternative to Vancian spellcasting.
I know what I want to go as this Holloween.
That's like someone being forced to wear a suit made out of dead baby kittens. Not their fur - the whole cat. :P
Make pictures. Pictures of you in your catsuit (the good type). Pictures of children crying at seeing the catsuit. Dogs chasing you for a nibble at your catsuit. Old cat-ladies shouting profanities at you because of your catsuit.
I thought 4.0 was a decent system, but it sure didn't feel like D&D to me anymore. Pathfinder feels like D&D, and hopefully, Hasbro will decide its not profitable enough and sell off the brand name rights, and Paizo picks them up.
As for insulting a game system, remember it is a game system being insulted, not those who play it. I make fun of fighters all the time, but its not meant as poking fun at those who play fighters, it is only making fun of a set of mechanics in an RPG, a truly victimless crime ;)
Making fun of game mechanics shouldn't really hurt anyone's feelings, except perhaps the game designer...
I don't know what you're talking about. And on an entirely unrelated note...
Smurf?
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I thought 4.0 was a decent system, but it sure didn't feel like D&D to me anymore. Pathfinder feels like D&D, and hopefully, Hasbro will decide its not profitable enough and sell off the brand name rights, and Paizo picks them up.
As for insulting a game system, remember it is a game system being insulted, not those who play it. I make fun of fighters all the time, but its not meant as poking fun at those who play fighters, it is only making fun of a set of mechanics in an RPG, a truly victimless crime ;)
Making fun of game mechanics shouldn't really hurt anyone's feelings, except perhaps the game designer...
lets just say you drive a lexus, if everywhere you went people said "Lexus's are s~!!," "Lexus's are the worst cars ever," "Wow I'm so glad the tires that came with my Lexus fit on my Infinity, at least the purchase of that Lexus wasn't a complete waste of time."
Your effectively saying "it would be dumb to buy a lexus ipso facto anyone who buys a lexus is dumb."
If your not passionate about a cars, try a restaurant you love, or a university. (Both good examples of things that you can like more then or goto more then one of.) If a person constantly, and baselessly, attacks on of your choices, how can you not take offence?
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Gyaaaahhhh. Really? Another one of these threads? Can't this war be over and we all flee back to our respective corners and play our favorite games without hating on someone else for playing their favorite game?
These threads are getting old.
Yes, but this one will definitively resolve all of the issues everyone has and lead to an era of ever lasting peace and happiness.
I thought 4.0 was a decent system, but it sure didn't feel like D&D to me anymore. Pathfinder feels like D&D, and hopefully, Hasbro will decide its not profitable enough and sell off the brand name rights, and Paizo picks them up.
Don't get your hopes up. D&D would probably be too expensive for Paizo, and too big for their tastes.
Plus, they won't sell off that franchise. Too much tie-ins, like licensing.
As for insulting a game system, remember it is a game system being insulted, not those who play it.
Oh, no, you always insult the players. Didn't you know that? Because if you don't like something, it is only logical to assume that everyone who likes it must be really bad, and it's likely that his parents were closely related. It's an axiom.
Or, at least, it feels that way often.
I make fun of fighters all the time
Let's see how much you're laughing when I feed you a couple of metres of cold steel, with my weapon training. I'm sure you won't be so jovial then!
;-)
If a person constantly, and baselessly, attacks on of your choices, how can you not take offence?
Who says it's baseless?
And if you take offense on someone not liking what you like, you have a problem.
As I always say: If you can't say something nice, say something not-nice. Silence is for lambs.
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If a person constantly, and baselessly, attacks on of your choices, how can you not take offence?Who says it's baseless?
And if you take offense on someone not liking what you lke, you have a problem.
As I always say: If you can't say something nice, say something not-nice. Silence is for lambs.
Well damn, it was bound to happen eventually, and I realize it undermines my argument but I'm afraid I will be evoking Godwin's law.
Most people hate it the way PS3 Fanboys hate the XBox 360, how the Nazi's hated the Jews, with no rational explanation, but because it was the cool thing to do. Its one thing to be meh I don't like it, or maybe even dislike it because it doesn't appeal to you, and another thing to create a thread for the soul purpose of making a fact free and pointless dig at a thing.
I've seen players who in the last year vehemently decry WotC and 4e because "it will cost to much to replace all my books how dare they, its such a terrible game" go to "Hey I'm selling all my old 3.5 stuff because it doesn't really fit with PFRPG." Or people thumb through the books and say "I don't like the art, so its not for me" Its all random, arbitrary and hypocritical. The rational for hating 4e seems to be sycophantic zealotry of the worst kind. That kind of ignorant intolerance does nothing to help the pen-paper RPG industry, nor the community. We are already a pretty small minority, and all we can do is squabble with one another.
...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Godwinned.
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Yes, but this one will definitively resolve all of the issues everyone has and lead to an era of ever lasting peace and happiness.Gyaaaahhhh. Really? Another one of these threads? Can't this war be over and we all flee back to our respective corners and play our favorite games without hating on someone else for playing their favorite game?
These threads are getting old.
That is too funny Sebastian!
Oh look! The token "nazi" references are starting, you know, to show how intolerance works! And compared to videogamers too, that's new! Fun, fun, fun!*Goes to pop some popcorn for the show*
"you mean that stupid game where you dress up like fairies and run around in the woods?"
Now THAT sounds like a fun game. Right, Daigle?
Whatever floats your boat, Frosty. ;)
I always get amused when i see people get all bent out of shape because someone doesn't like the game they play. Unless the criticism is aimed at YOU such as "wow, you play XXX? what are you an idiot?" taking offense is silly. People are entitled to an opinion, it wasn't stated crassly or in a vulgar nature. 4e is a decent game, I don't much care for it but I played it for a while. I currently play pathfinder. I've run into several players that when they found out our group played that, they got fed up for us playing a "stupid game" and that 3.5 was much better. One even claimed that pathfinder was a bastardization of D&D. To each their own.
Expecting a someone who likes one system and hates another to not comment in some way is like expecting a dwarf to kiss a kobold and not get sick. Its an opinion. We're adults. Can't we act like it?
the Nazi's hated the Jews, with no rational explanation, but because it was the cool thing to do
I may be a German, but I'm not a Nazi. Not all Germans are Nazis, you know. In fact, there aren't that many Nazis around any more. Hitler's dead, too.
You should read up on recent history. Will be quite an education.
In the meantime, if you insist at all on referring to my nationality, which is really not of any concern here, stay with German.
Because the Nazi thing really is insulting. And you seem to be quite against that.
. Its one thing to be meh I don't like it, or maybe even dislike it because it doesn't appeal to you, and another thing to create a thread for the soul purpose of making a fact free and pointless dig at a thing.
Except that I don't just say I hate it because I'm a Nazi. It's my actual opinion that the game is no good.
I've seen players who in the last year vehemently decry WotC and 4e because "it will cost to much to replace all my books how dare they, its such a terrible game" go to "Hey I'm selling all my old 3.5 stuff because it doesn't really fit with PFRPG." Or people thumb through the books and say "I don't like the art, so its not for me" Its all random, arbitrary and hypocritical.
You know, this sounds a lot like you were saying that everyone who doesn't like your game is random, arbitrary and hypocritical. That is quite insulting.
Not as insulting as the Nazi thing, but still insulting.
The rational for hating 4e seems to be sycophantic zealotry of the worst kind.
And you keep going on and on.
That kind of ignorant intolerance does nothing to help the pen-paper RPG industry, nor the community. We are already a pretty small minority, and all we can do is squabble with one another.
Yeah, and racial prejudice and open namecalling is exactly what we need.
Those who spoke against 4e in the thread - as well as everyone else, including those who like 4e - kept their comments clean. If there were negative remarks, they were aimed at things, like a game.
But you called me a Nazi and called me an ignorant, intolerant, sycophant and a random, arbitrary, hypocrite.
Or implied it. Which isn't really better.
So why don't you take your own advice?
Um.
He didn't call you a Nazi. I doubt he even knew you were German when he posted. He (quite ridiculously) used a Nazi reference to explain why 3.5 people fight 4e people and why Xbox360 people fight PS3 people. Nowhere in his post did he declare that Kaeyoss was a Nazi.
<arnold>Chill out.</arnold>
"you mean that stupid game where you dress up like fairies and run around in the woods?"Now THAT sounds like a fun game. Right, Daigle?
We played that once, I think. Or some of us. It was at a party we had in/near a cottage. We had a barbecue, and of course we had alcohol.
I don't remember much of the latter parts of the night. I do remember that at least one of the girls put tinfoil on her head, shouted something about her being the fairy of the woods, and started prancing through the wood.
I may be a German, but I'm not a Nazi. Not all Germans are Nazis, you know. In fact, there aren't that many Nazis around any more. Hitler's dead, too.
But not his brain! It's in a jar! And it's name is GLEEMAX!
It is! It is! I have that Unglued card and everything!
Proof that we can blame 4e on Hitler!
</paranoid conspiracy rant>
<rant>Pathfinder != 3.5.</rant>
Pathfinder is 3E.
From where I see it, PF is to both 3E and 4E what hybrid cars are to electricity and fossile fuel, so I'll call PF the Mazda Tribute of RPGs. It isn't -quite- 4E, but it isn't meant to be 3E either (after all, both Paizo and WotC agree on the fact that "3E was so thoroughly broken that it has to be rewritten from scratch", right?).
(after all, both Paizo and WotC agree on the fact that "3E was so thoroughly broken that it has to be rewritten from scratch", right?).
I can't speak for WotC, but Paizo didn't think it was thoroughly broken. Otherwise we would've tossed out the notion of backward compatibility and made a brand new game. We felt there were issues--issues that had bugged most of us around the office during our own games--and we corrected those issues. 3.5 is a robust system with a decade of design behind it--it's not broken, but it did need bandaids.
Let's see how much you're laughing when I feed you a couple of metres of cold steel, with my weapon training. I'm sure you won't be so jovial then!
;-)
Ohhh...the fighter is getting testy ;)
Don't stab me with that pointy stick fighter...I'm too small and frail, and I'm sure no spell I have could possibly prevent your wrath.
(It's best to keep the fighters thinking they are scary or they could stop being obedient)
...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Godwinned.There should be a blinking light on your keyboard. Or a set of claxons spaced around the Paizo office.
"GODWIN EVENT! GODWIN EVENT! SCRAMBLE THE ROCKET TROOPERS!!!"
DUCKS