Anyone ever experience deja vu?
*Meow* Wanders through thread
Anyone ever experience deja vu?
*Meow* Wanders through thread
If I titled a thread, "One thing PFRPG gave us," and then went on to discuss how I use the book as a door stop, there would rightly be hell to pay. It's not funny, it's not cool, and it's disrespectful to the game designers and those who value the game. It's blatantly antagonistic.
This.
Again, if you post something about 4e that would boil your blood if it were said about Pathfinder instead, reconsider what you're posting. If you still feel it's necessary to go that route, fine. But do so with the knowledge that you're the sort of person who would anger yourself.
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You know, if someone says anything positive about 4E, then he clearly means to offend those people actually prefering other systems. So if he goes so far as to say something negative about 4E, there's no way he wouldn't mean to offend the people enjoying it.
No that I've been shown the light, be aware that I try to offend people no matter what I say.
Smurfs are cute.
Isn't this thread past the point of rational discussion, I thought that was the point of a Godwin post, kill the thread and let it spiral into absurdity, how dare you try and restate in a rational way the original point.
According to what I read of Godwin's Law, there's a clause in the Law that prevents a pre-emptive Godwin from killing a thread. In other words, if a Godwin is invoked just to shutdown a topic before the discourse would normally pull a Godwin, the premature Godwin is invalid and it's possible for a thread to continue naturally.
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Another thing 4E gave me....
A deeper appreciation for 3E. Yeah I got irked with 3.5 etc, but not nearly as irked as seeing just how little the designers of 4E really thought of their players. Had they have just tweaked the existing system like Paizo did with PF, I would have bought more than just the core books.
Way to go Paizo!!!
Another thing 4e gave me, was huge deals on great 3.5 products when 4e was first announced. I was able to pick up a lot of products for really cheap. Of course this just reinforced my decision to not change systems, not to 4e, not to PF, not to Conan, not to True20, etc. I hope that PF gets really popular and more people abandon 3.5 and sell off their materials, so I can get my dirty hands on them *rubs hands evilly*. And before people point out PF's "backwards compatibility", I will point out that 3.5 was "backwards compatible" with 3rd, that didn't stop alot of people from (a)rebuying all the same content and (b)selling their old material. I can only hope the same happens with PF.
Whoa. Deja vu.
It's a glitch in the Matrix. They've changed something. We better check what shape lamias are now :P
You know, if someone says anything positive about 4E, then he clearly means to offend those people actually prefering other systems. So if he goes so far as to say something negative about 4E, there's no way he wouldn't mean to offend the people enjoying it.
No that I've been shown the light, be aware that I try to offend people no matter what I say.
Makes perfect sense.
Excuse me, I have to go to the 4e boards and get insulted by people.
Another thing 4e gave me, was huge deals on great 3.5 products when 4e was first announced.
Yeah! Red hand of Doom, Cityscape, Dungeonscape and Sandstorm for 30 Tacken total!
This thread is slapping all around clever without hitting it. -Q.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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That's a little drastic, but I agree that would have solved my problem and yours.This thread should have ended Friday.I disagree.
Skynet should've sent a T-3d6 back in time and destroyed it, along with the rest of the internets, on Thursday at 11:52 p.m. PST.
Drastic would've been sending back the T-4d6 (drop the lowest) or the particularly egregious T-100 (point buy). Those things are broken, and not in a good way.
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I insist on completely missing the point of this thread, and instead believing it to be a discussion of a really nice box for carrying your books in.
I work in a convenience store, and have found many products that come in boxes that adapt well to that purpose, so you can probably pick them up for free if you just ask the store nicely to save some for you.
Snapple 16 oz bottles, 12 pack.
Monster Energy drink, 24 oz can, 12 pack.
SoBe 20 oz bottles, 12 pack.
Most 22 oz beer cans that come in a pack of 12.Also, most of the 24-packs of the above product come in a box that will hold 2 of the 12-pack bottles, should you desire a large flat box instead of a stack. Many of those boxes are available in a variety of depths, as well: the Monster sometimes comes in one about 2 1/2 inches high, but sometimes comes in a box as tall as the can with a closeable top.
Also, Modelo Especial beer comes in a box that is slightly larger than the others, making those boxes an excellent lid.
A little paint (or duct tape) and nobody in your gaming group need know the origin of your cool box that holds all your rulebooks.
:)
So what you're saying is... The only thing Snapple is good for is giving you a box in which to carry your RPG books.
Stop hating on Snapple.
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So what you're saying is... The only thing Snapple is good for is giving you a box in which to carry your RPG books.Stop hating on Snapple.
It appears my claim to victory was premature. I am forced to admit that Celestial Healer won this thread (but only this thread), thus marring my otherwise perfect record of victory in every thread ever posted on Paizo. I will prepare the appropriate documentation to annex this victory at a future date to cure this defect in my posting record, but for now...
So what you're saying is... The only thing Snapple is good for is giving you a box in which to carry your RPG books.Stop hating on Snapple.
It appears my claim to victory was premature. I am forced to admit that Celestial Healer won this thread (but only this thread), thus marring my otherwise perfect record of victory in every thread ever posted on Paizo. I will prepare the appropriate documentation to annex this victory at a future date to cure this defect in my posting record, but for now...
Just put an "*" when labeling it. Everyone knows that records marked with "*" don't really count.
Whoa. Deja vu.It's a glitch in the Matrix. They've changed something. We better check what shape lamias are now :P
Me me me...
Move along, there is nothing to see here.
You know, if someone says anything positive about 4E, then he clearly means to offend those people actually prefering other systems. So if he goes so far as to say something negative about 4E, there's no way he wouldn't mean to offend the people enjoying it.
Are you telling me you're unable to see how "I love Pathfinder!" and "The only thing 4e was good for was that I could fit Pathfinder books in its case," are two fundamentally different attitudes that will provoke two fundamentally different reactions?
Hi,
I have been following the conversation and excepting the snapples references ot has been interesting (I presume snapples are a drink of some kind?) and in answer to the previous question is that do I expect an honest answer about PF from these boards and the answer is "Yes".
I expect people to answer that. (Perhaps not the PF people) but they ignore the postings at their peril. So, it is in their interest for a successful new release of PF (when that happens!) People who cant constructive (please note the important word - Constructive) then they risk the situation with PF & 4E and WotC problem with a breakaway branch such as Paizo.
So, I would argue that this is the perfect place to cricitize and get your opinions across...
of course, your game are crap are a waste of space... but when people put the reason why it should interest the developers/publishers/etc.
Where else is there that is better than here?
And Lastly, yes I have been playing AD&D (2nd ed) until quite recently so I have been out of circulation for a while and it has been interesting. The last discussions I was involved in were such as "Is EGG and TSR being too restrictive of creative freedom by setting themselves up as the absolute authority, etc?"
In some ways everything changes and in other nothing...
Still fascinating, and pass me my walking stick youngsters...
Regards
Steve
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And Lastly, yes I have been playing AD&D (2nd ed) until quite recently so I have been out of circulation for a while and it has been interesting. The last discussions I was involved in were such as "Is EGG and TSR being too restrictive of creative freedom by setting themselves up as the absolute authority, etc?"
You know, most of us where there with you. Which basically means that you can't have my walking stick because I need it for myself.
Are you telling me you're unable to see how "I love Pathfinder!" and "The only thing 4e was good for was that I could fit Pathfinder books in its case," are two fundamentally different attitudes that will provoke two fundamentally different reactions?
No, I'm telling you (as others already did before), that people who feel offended by posts as the OP's do so because they want to get offended. And believe it or not, I've already been in places where people felt offended by me just stating that I love Pathfinder. Funnily enough it even happened that I stated my love for Paizo and when 4E was announced at a later point of time, that suddenly people felt offended by my preferences without me saying a single word about PF or 4E. They felt offended just because they knew that I'm a Paizo fan (which suddenly became the enemy). What I'm trying to say with this is that a poster's attitude sometimes is a lot less important than the attitude of the poster's recipients.
After all what happened on these boards I can somehow relate if you and your fellow 4E gamers have become a bit sensitive about such posts as the OP's. On the other hand (and this has also already been hinted at in this thread), I could probably sympathize more if I hadn't the impression that this sensitivity would be a one way ticket as far as the 4E fans are concerned.
People had the choice to take the OP's post as the (bad?)joke as he obviously was meant or to feel offended by it. And it's actually a shame that there are people trying to see things in the most negative way possible. It's a shame that people start to lose their humor if someone says anything against their beloved game system. Actually it's a shame that people aren't able to laugh about themselves.
You're probably right, if someone said the same about Pathfinder on these boards, he should expect quite some unfriendly reactions? So what? I never claimed that Pathfinder fans are somehow more mature (or: less stupid) than their 4E counterparts.
But instead of fueling the fire (leading to 4+ pages of crap - and some hilarious while totally unrelated jokes) and thereby wasting one's time, one could simply ignore threads like this. But it's always the other one who should behave in a mature, reasonable way, isn't it?
And yeah, this goes to both sides of the neverending edition war.
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Quoted from the flamethreads of yore:
"seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I with you it was bad PR and showed that that wanted fanatic worshiper and they would call people troll and s~!~ on them if they had any negative thought....The PR guy should be fired.
scott betts replied:
Except that everyone who isn't already trying to trash WotC at every opportunity took absolutely no offense. Not one of the people "targeted" by the video as being sycophantic boot-lickers has complained about that particular treatment, certainly not any kinder than being called a troll.
And no one's even paying attention to the fact that WotC purposefully made their tongue-in-cheek representation in the video (the dragon) into a money-hoarding apathetic giant.
Look around you - the ones being offended are the ones who want to be offended by Wizards."
It's not only deja vu, it's BIZARRO deja vu.
Now I think we can oficially consider this thread Godwin'd by Proxy, regardless of the previous hamfisted semantics of the purposeful Godwin from earlier. Who's with me?
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The thing that got me about that post was comparing game hating to ethnic cleansing. My grandparents had concentration camp tatoos! Somehow hating a gaming system doesn't compare! At least in my Jewish mind! Galnörag, you took offense to someone hating your game system. Okay, you have a right to feel offended if you want. However, do not EVER compare it to ethnic cleansing or you and I will have a serious discussion! Sorry about that folks but that just irked me too much to let it go!I just want to reassure you that in spite of my nationality (German), I am not a Nazi and I do not hate you and those who share your ethnic background.
I want to go on and say that, in fact, my great-grandparents (who, unlike any of my younger ancestors weren't too young to do anything about the Nazi Regime) were no Nazi-sympathisers, which got them and their children into trouble (my grandfather spend his youth in various orphanages, hardly ever seeing any of his siblings, and one of his brothers was among those mentally handicapped people the Nazis gassed because their "life was not worth living".
Kaeyoss, That wasn't directed at you. I was directing the comment at Galnörag who compared game hating to ethnic cleansing. I know that not all people from Germany are Nazis. Again I wasn't directing my response to you...or your heritage, either. Are we cool?
Kaeyoss, That wasn't directed at you. I was directing the comment at the individual who compared game hating to ethnic cleansing. I know that not all people from Germany are Nazis. Again I wasn't directing my response to you...or your heritage, either. Are we cool?
The thing that got me about that post was comparing game hating to ethnic cleansing. My grandparents had concentration camp tatoos! Somehow hating a gaming system doesn't compare! At least in my Jewish mind! Galnörag, you took offense to someone hating your game system. Okay, you have a right to feel offended if you want. However, do not EVER compare it to ethnic cleansing or you and I will have a serious discussion! Sorry about that folks but that just irked me too much to let it go!I just want to reassure you that in spite of my nationality (German), I am not a Nazi and I do not hate you and those who share your ethnic background.
I want to go on and say that, in fact, my great-grandparents (who, unlike any of my younger ancestors weren't too young to do anything about the Nazi Regime) were no Nazi-sympathisers, which got them and their children into trouble (my grandfather spend his youth in various orphanages, hardly ever seeing any of his siblings, and one of his brothers was among those mentally handicapped people the Nazis gassed because their "life was not worth living".
Amazingly, there are actually folks in other parts of the world that actively classify themselves using the "nazi" name.
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So what you're saying is... The only thing Snapple is good for is giving you a box in which to carry your RPG books.Stop hating on Snapple.
It appears my claim to victory was premature. I am forced to admit that Celestial Healer won this thread (but only this thread), thus marring my otherwise perfect record of victory in every thread ever posted on Paizo. I will prepare the appropriate documentation to annex this victory at a future date to cure this defect in my posting record, but for now...
Celestial Healer: 2
Sebastian: -547
Quoted from the flamethreads of yore:
"seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I with you it was bad PR and showed that that wanted fanatic worshiper and they would call people troll and s~!~ on them if they had any negative thought....The PR guy should be fired.scott betts replied:
Except that everyone who isn't already trying to trash WotC at every opportunity took absolutely no offense. Not one of the people "targeted" by the video as being sycophantic boot-lickers has complained about that particular treatment, certainly not any kinder than being called a troll.And no one's even paying attention to the fact that WotC purposefully made their tongue-in-cheek representation in the video (the dragon) into a money-hoarding apathetic giant.
Look around you - the ones being offended are the ones who want to be offended by Wizards."
It's not only deja vu, it's BIZARRO deja vu.
Now I think we can oficially consider this thread Godwin'd by Proxy, regardless of the previous hamfisted semantics of the purposeful Godwin from earlier. Who's with me?
The real problem is that this is a joke thread and some people aren't funny. Purposeful Godwins don't count, unless it gets the thread locked. BTW, what's that little black dot mean?
Maybe the paizoids should just ban all of the unfunny folks on this thread for CoC violations (posting off topic).
The attempt at humour aside, my first reaction when reading this thread was one of disappointment. I foolishly clicked the link expecting discussion of various aspects of 4E that people liked or incorporated into their game, instead I found the warmed-up leftovers from the edition wars...
Oh well, on a positive note, one thing 4E gave me was a new gaming group thereby allowing me to run one of Paizo's excellent APs... :)
Me me me...Whoa. Deja vu.It's a glitch in the Matrix. They've changed something. We better check what shape lamias are now :P
Don't even bother with that closed mouth trick, I don't require a phone call; I'll just send a text message.
Anyone want a purple pill?
(I presume snapples are a drink of some kind?)
Yes, it's apple-juice infused with tin, hence the SN-apple.
At least that's what XKCD says :)
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Quoted from the flamethreads of yore:
"seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I with you it was bad PR and showed that that wanted fanatic worshiper and they would call people troll and s~!~ on them if they had any negative thought....The PR guy should be fired.scott betts replied:
Except that everyone who isn't already trying to trash WotC at every opportunity took absolutely no offense. Not one of the people "targeted" by the video as being sycophantic boot-lickers has complained about that particular treatment, certainly not any kinder than being called a troll.And no one's even paying attention to the fact that WotC purposefully made their tongue-in-cheek representation in the video (the dragon) into a money-hoarding apathetic giant.
Look around you - the ones being offended are the ones who want to be offended by Wizards."
It's not only deja vu, it's BIZARRO deja vu.
Now I think we can oficially consider this thread Godwin'd by Proxy, regardless of the previous hamfisted semantics of the purposeful Godwin from earlier. Who's with me?
I think ordinary, right-thinking people are sick and tired with being told that ordinary, right-thinking people are sick and tired.
Are you telling me you're unable to see how "I love Pathfinder!" and "The only thing 4e was good for was that I could fit Pathfinder books in its case," are two fundamentally different attitudes that will provoke two fundamentally different reactions?No, I'm telling you (as others already did before), that people who feel offended by posts as the OP's do so because they want to get offended. And believe it or not, I've already been in places where people felt offended by me just stating that I love Pathfinder. Funnily enough it even happened that I stated my love for Paizo and when 4E was announced at a later point of time, that suddenly people felt offended by my preferences without me saying a single word about PF or 4E. They felt offended just because they knew that I'm a Paizo fan (which suddenly became the enemy). What I'm trying to say with this is that a poster's attitude sometimes is a lot less important than the attitude of the poster's recipients.
After all what happened on these boards I can somehow relate if you and your fellow 4E gamers have become a bit sensitive about such posts as the OP's. On the other hand (and this has also already been hinted at in this thread), I could probably sympathize more if I hadn't the impression that this sensitivity would be a one way ticket as far as the 4E fans are concerned.
People had the choice to take the OP's post as the (bad?)joke as he obviously was meant or to feel offended by it. And it's actually a shame that there are people trying to see...
Or to summarize, almost every opinion you have will offend someone somewhere. Therefore, if your primary concern is not to offend, you are best to keep your opinions to yourself.
But we're going in circles. We get it, you believe in self censorship over free speech because it prevents people from hearing or seeing things that might offend them. We understand your side of the argument, we just think the cost is too high.
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Or to summarize, almost every opinion you have will offend someone somewhere. Therefore, if your primary concern is not to offend, you are best to keep your opinions to yourself.
But we're going in circles. We get it, you believe in self censorship over free speech because it prevents people from hearing or seeing things that might offend them. We understand your side of the argument, we just think the cost is too high.
Well one of the few right that we don't have here in the U.S. is the right to not be offended. Yes someone's opinion may offend you but it is there opinion. However, one should never yell "Fire" in a crowded theater either (which is, in fact, illegal several places in the U.S.). Now one thing I have always wondered. Is it okay to yell "Movie" in a crowded Fire Station? Aslo, would it be dangerous to yell "Doughnut" in a Police Station?
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Quoted from the flamethreads of yore:
"seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I with you it was bad PR and showed that that wanted fanatic worshiper and they would call people troll and s~!~ on them if they had any negative thought....The PR guy should be fired.scott betts replied:
Except that everyone who isn't already trying to trash WotC at every opportunity took absolutely no offense. Not one of the people "targeted" by the video as being sycophantic boot-lickers has complained about that particular treatment, certainly not any kinder than being called a troll.And no one's even paying attention to the fact that WotC purposefully made their tongue-in-cheek representation in the video (the dragon) into a money-hoarding apathetic giant.
Look around you - the ones being offended are the ones who want to be offended by Wizards."
It's not only deja vu, it's BIZARRO deja vu.
Now I think we can oficially consider this thread Godwin'd by Proxy, regardless of the previous hamfisted semantics of the purposeful Godwin from earlier. Who's with me?The real problem is that this is a joke thread and some people aren't funny. Purposeful Godwins don't count, unless it gets the thread locked. BTW, what's that little black dot mean?
Maybe the paizoids should just ban all of the unfunny folks on this thread for CoC violations (posting off topic).
What little black dot? I don't see one. I think the Men in Black are on to you. Did you read Treasure Island or what?
Quoted from the flamethreads of yore:
"seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I with you it was bad PR and showed that that wanted fanatic worshiper and they would call people troll and s~!~ on them if they had any negative thought....The PR guy should be fired.scott betts replied:
Except that everyone who isn't already trying to trash WotC at every opportunity took absolutely no offense. Not one of the people "targeted" by the video as being sycophantic boot-lickers has complained about that particular treatment, certainly not any kinder than being called a troll.And no one's even paying attention to the fact that WotC purposefully made their tongue-in-cheek representation in the video (the dragon) into a money-hoarding apathetic giant.
Look around you - the ones being offended are the ones who want to be offended by Wizards."
It's not only deja vu, it's BIZARRO deja vu.
Now I think we can oficially consider this thread Godwin'd by Proxy, regardless of the previous hamfisted semantics of the purposeful Godwin from earlier. Who's with me?The real problem is that this is a joke thread and some people aren't funny. Purposeful Godwins don't count, unless it gets the thread locked. BTW, what's that little black dot mean?
Maybe the paizoids should just ban all of the unfunny folks on this thread for CoC violations (posting off topic).
What little black dot? I don't see one. I think the Men in Black are on to you. Did you read Treasure Island or what?
** spoiler omitted **
I honestly thought it meant the thread was targeted for termination. Shows what I know. :(
You have brought the attention of the powers of Hell upon you. Please keep going, I don't even need to tempt you to gain your souls now.