This is my first time posting here, hope that someone can answer my questions before i leave for tonight's game.
Last week our DM declared that we were switching to Pathfinder rules; he was kind enough to buy me a copy of the Rulebook.
I've been updating my character to the new system, but I have a few quick questions as I'm unsure about how they work.
The first is in regards to Skills and Class skills. I understand that class skills now grant a +3 bonus as long as you possess a skill rank in them, but nowhere (that I have seen) does it address any special rules in regards to Cross-Class skills.
Is there still a restriction to half HD and ranks costing double, or is it the same as just buying a class skill, without the +3 bonus? Or can you simply not take skills that are not class skills anymore?
My second question was in regard to Linguistics. They appear to have removed the limit to the number of languages a character can learn based on their Intelligence modifier, is this correct?
Thank you for your time.
I understand that class skills now grant a +3 bonus as long as you possess a skill rank in them, but nowhere (that I have seen) does it address any special rules in regards to Cross-Class skills.
Cross-class skills merely do not provide the +3 bonus.
Is there still a restriction to half HD and ranks costing double, or is it the same as just buying a class skill, without the +3 bonus? Or can you simply not take skills that are not class skills anymore?
1 skill point will buy 1 rank in a skill, regardless of whethere it is or is not a class skill.
My second question was in regard to Linguistics. They appear to have removed the limit to the number of languages a character can learn based on their Intelligence modifier, is this correct?
Thank you for your time.
Yes. Additional languages, aside from starting ones, are learned at a 1:1 ratio for each rank in Linguistics.
Thank you, you've been a great help.
I'm sorry that I hijack that thread, but I think the topic is right:
Does a wizard get 3 languages more if he puts one rank into linguistics?
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I'm sorry that I hijack that thread, but I think the topic is right:
Does a wizard get 3 languages more if he puts one rank into linguistics?
No. The +3 for class skills is not described as "three extra ranks," but rather as an untyped bonus. See page 86, first 'graph of Aquiring Skills or the second of Skill Checks. You get another language for each extra ranks. This conclusion also follows because you don't need to make Linguistics checks to speak or understand the languages you know. You only make checks for things like reading obscure forms of languages, or making or detecting forgeries
I don't like how each rank of Linguistics adds 1 new language. Makes it way too simple for a character to learn a language and kinda weird if you wanted to max out Linguistics mainly for the purpose of Forgery and Decipher Script and you're stuck with a list of 10-20 languages on your sheet when you hit the double-digit levels.
I don't like how each rank of Linguistics adds 1 new language. Makes it way too simple for a character to learn a language and kinda weird if you wanted to max out Linguistics mainly for the purpose of Forgery and Decipher Script and you're stuck with a list of 10-20 languages on your sheet when you hit the double-digit levels.
I tend to agree, and this is one of those few instances where I would enforce some type of training. Many instances could be hand-waved (the Dwarf has been teaching me whenever we make camp), but if you're looking to pick up a language out of thin air... I dunno, there has to be some kind of justification for it. Common-Aquan dictionaries can't be all that easy to find.
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I don't like how each rank of Linguistics adds 1 new language. Makes it way too simple for a character to learn a language and kinda weird if you wanted to max out Linguistics mainly for the purpose of Forgery and Decipher Script and you're stuck with a list of 10-20 languages on your sheet when you hit the double-digit levels.I tend to agree, and this is one of those few instances where I would enforce some type of training. Many instances could be hand-waved (the Dwarf has been teaching me whenever we make camp), but if you're looking to pick up a language out of thin air... I dunno, there has to be some kind of justification for it. Common-Aquan dictionaries can't be all that easy to find.
But just think of what secrets you might learn with late night study of Aklo!
I don't like how each rank of Linguistics adds 1 new language. Makes it way too simple for a character to learn a language and kinda weird if you wanted to max out Linguistics mainly for the purpose of Forgery and Decipher Script and you're stuck with a list of 10-20 languages on your sheet when you hit the double-digit levels.
I've played before with Language skill level that could help this. Languages start at either level 1 for basic fluency or level 3 for native tongue(s). Adding ranks in Linguistics can bump a language up to level 5 for full mastery. This system reflects the true difficulty in learning languages and can create some interesting RP situations when someone has basic fluency but wants to negotiate with the village chief. Mastery can grant bonuses in language-related actions.
Using this, a maxed out Linguistics person might have mastery in only 4-5 languages.
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nowhere (that I have seen) does it address any special rules in regards to Cross-Class skills.
My second question was in regard to Linguistics. They appear to have removed the limit to the number of languages a character can learn based on their Intelligence modifier, is this correct?
Ranks always cost 1, but you get a one time +3 if you put a rank in a class that is a class skill for any class you possess now or in the future.
Not sure what you mean, but you get bonus langs per int modifier. You are welcome to buy more languages, one rank per.