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Male (he/him) Irish Physicist (Programmer Dedication) 5

Westcrown is perfect, its the next logical step for Kaldonis in his search for immortality, while avoiding the center of diabolist power.


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1
vagrant-poet wrote:
Westcrown is perfect, its the next logical step for Kaldonis in his search for immortality, while avoiding the center of diabolist power.

Do you dabble in diabolism, at least? I was hoping you could be my secret devil-summoner. (They're less likely to lie than demons.)


Zalania Sapphros wrote:
vagrant-poet wrote:
Westcrown is perfect, its the next logical step for Kaldonis in his search for immortality, while avoiding the center of diabolist power.
Do you dabble in diabolism, at least? I was hoping you could be my secret devil-summoner. (They're less likely to lie than demons.)

Sounds like a great idea for a Prestige Class. The Diabolical Dabbler!

...or, a grade B comic book villain from the Silver Age. :)


Male Half-elf Rogue 8/Duelist 1

I've got Morn's alias started and have update his background with a more detailed description and the reason that he is in Westcrown.


Since you're searching for immortality, perhaps you're of Azlant descent...

How are we going to deal with traits? 1, 2, 3? none?


Stats:
Hp's 113/113; Int: +3; AC 31/touch 25/ff 27; Fort:+15/Ref:+14/Will:+16/CMD: 37(45 Bull R/39 Disarm/47 trip)/ff 33

Darnak is born and raised in Janderhoff. He ends up in Jalmeray. Will work on having his background up this weekend. Won't post it here but you can check it in his profile. Sorry for the hold up, the background work is the tough part for me. I have an easier time coming up with one while I'm running the character. I've got the gist of it I just need to get it typed in.

Will let you know when it's done.

Also, the picture idea is excellent! I can see it now. "Xayden, will you stop making faces! Let's get serious people!" The cameraman then notices Darnak, "You to Darnak yo....What?....What do you mean he 'NORMALLY' looks like that?" He shivers.:)


Xayden Xailean the Wanderer wrote:

Since you're searching for immortality, perhaps you're of Azlant descent...

How are we going to deal with traits? 1, 2, 3? none?

As for traits, it's a good question. I shall have to think on it. I'll be sure to offer this detail when character sheet creation goes into full swing.

Guys, I know we're in a bit of a holding pattern until the rules are available, but thanks for all the hard work you've put in on the backgrounds. This is looking to be a great group. I can't wait until we can get started!


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

I wanted to share this method for creating a character background with you all. I've used it twice, and so far it's come up with some pretty interesting stuff.

It uses a Harrow Deck. :)

1. Shuffle the deck.
2. Draw the top card from the deck and turn it over.
3. Draw the next card from the deck and place it in the correct position to the first one as though you were doing a Harrow Reading, but ignoring the symbol on the card, just the location.

Example
Card 1: The Mountain Man, is placed in the center position of the right column.
Card 2: The Marriage, is placed in the center position of the left column.

4. Continue drawing cards until all nine spaces are filled with appropriately symboled cards.
5. If you draw a card with a symbol which you already have placed, you must place the card over the previous one. The new card effectively replaces the old one.
6. Once the cards have all been spread, do a Harrowing for the character using the cards that have been spread out. The first column represents past influences, the middle column is a current situation, and right column represents possible futures for the character and how the character is currently developing.

Like I said, I've used this model twice, to amazing effect; I'm not sure if that was because of the luck of the draw, or what, but either way its interesting.

Zalania Sapphros
Past1. The Hidden Truth (Seeing past the obvious.)
Past2. The Locksmith (Keys of destiny.)
Past3. The Rakshasa (Dominance and control.)

In effect, this summarized my character concept. Divination, Destiny, and Dominance. A diviner doesn't use mind control spells, but she can subtly influence other people's decisions, including her own if she's not careful.

Current1. The Midwife (New life or information.)
Current2. The Peacock (Social change.)
Current3. The Idiot (Naivete and greed.)

This does represent the current crisis that Zalania is going through. The only thing worse than a diviner who wants to fleece people out of their money is a diviner who wants to take over politics, and who has the remarkable skill to do so. Also, what type of social changes would a diviner want to bring? Well, in order to be fed up with a liberal republic, you might as well try to replace it with something else. (Golden Anarchy, in Zalania's case, as naive and idiotic as it sounds.)

Future1. The Publican (Comraderie.)
Future2. The Rabbit Prince (Resourcefulness.)
Future3. The Lost (Loss of identity.)

Of course, Zalania won't be able to get much farther without working with other people and sharing her unique gifts of luck, fate, and destiny. Unfortunately for her, a talent for divination can play tricks with a person's mind. It becomes all too easy to lose a sense of self when eagerly absorbing information from beyond the five senses.

Marcellius Voralion
I did this again for my Paladin of Arazni. (Knight of the Phoenix)

Past1. The Trumpet (Declaration of power.)
Past2. The Marriage (Permanent union.)
Past3. The Avalanche (Unstoppable disaster.)

In this case, the upper left card actually had some religious symbolism, so I could easily see it as a declaration of religious power. In a way this confirmed my idea that Marcellius's divine powers may not come directly from the divine, but from within, or perhaps (as the other cards seem to indicate), from an ancient bond between his family and Arazni. A pact that could not be broken even after her death (the unstoppable disaster), or her raising as a lich to become the Harlot Queen.

Current1. The Theater (Prophecy.)
Current2. The Bear (Brute strength.)
Current3. The Mute Hag (Blood pacts.)

In this case, I felt that the 1 and 3 could easily be bound together. An ancient prophecy was whispered against his household, sometime before the Death of Aroden, that the most venerated of the House of Voralion would make deals with devils. (Many royal families now do, but that's beside the point. The prophecy did come true.) Since Marcellius is only 1st level, I felt that the brute strength indicated a desperate struggle for independence from the evils of his once holy family, while also representing the strength within to resist the evil his family so eagerly accepted.

Future1. The Publican (Comraderie.)
Future2. The Mountainman (External physical power.)
Future3. The Cyclone (Evil plots.)

As with Zalania, Marcellius will have to work with others to embrace the fact that though he is spiritually and physically strong, he is still capable of being weakened by other forces. Agents of evil are everywhere, so it is no great difficulty for Marcellius to see evil tricks and plots on every corner.


Male (he/him) Irish Physicist (Programmer Dedication) 5

I actually have my harrow deck with me! But, yeah, I love the idea of an Azlant blood. Should I change my bloodline maybe though? Hmm. I'll have the purple eyes.

[I could still happily summon devils, but I don't deal with the leadership of either Hell or Cheliax, to keep my soul my soul, I have no problem summoning them.]


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1
vagrant-poet wrote:

I actually have my harrow deck with me! But, yeah, I love the idea of an Azlant blood. Should I change my bloodline maybe though? Hmm. I'll have the purple eyes.

[I could still happily summon devils, but I don't deal with the leadership of either Hell or Cheliax, to keep my soul my soul, I have no problem summoning them.]

Well, yes, I want to keep my soul my soul as well... so your help in controlling these devils would be greatly appreciated. I can generally tell if they're trying to pull a fast one.

P.S. If anyone wants me to do a background Harrowing for their character, let me know. :)


Zalania Sapphros wrote:
P.S. If anyone wants me to do a background Harrowing for their character, let me know. :)

I know Zalania's done Harrowings for Adele. Would you post one for her?


Joana wrote:
Zalania Sapphros wrote:
P.S. If anyone wants me to do a background Harrowing for their character, let me know. :)
I know Zalania's done Harrowings for Adele. Would you post one for her?

Yes, I want to see this too! Heck, if I had a new PC in the works right now for any purpose, I'd ask you to do one for me as well. Seems like a cool idea.


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

"So," Zalania says. "What is it you seek?"

Zalania placed the few silver pieces in the small chest and turned the key, that was bound to her wrist by a colorful ribbon.

Adele was quiet for a moment, as though pondering what question to ask.

"Tell me about myself," she said, finally.

Smiling to herself mysteriously, Zalania shuffles to cards six times, once for each of the six towers of Desna's palace. "Lady Desna, let the cards be true." She then hands the deck to Adele who shuffles it one last time to represent the mysterious seventh tower.

Adele cuts the deck, putting the two stacks back together again by reversing them. Zalania nods, and turns over the first card. She places cards down in rapid-fire progression, some on top of the other ones, until there are nine cards (or stacks of cards) arranged in the spread formation.

"Ah, poor child. What a difficult past you have faced. Conflicts, deaths, flight. Uncertainty and broken dreams." Zalania's fingers trace along the Eclipse card. "You have been no stranger to death in your past, the trick is not allowing it to get to you. The world is not as broken as you might think, and always the Gods provide opportunities to improve your lot in life."

Zalania's fingers creep upward to the Locksmith card. "You, moreso than others. You have gifts, you have a destiny, child. One that will rely on your strengths and your powers." And then upward again to the Winged Serpent card. "And you know how to use them. Not everyone can say the same. You have been given a trial, a test of faith and ability."

She thinks for a moment, tucking a stray hair behind her ear. "You are drawn to a path of religion, yes?" Zalania shakes her head, moving forward to the Wanderer card, directly to the right of the Winged Serpent card. "If not now, then you soon will be. You have a talent for bringing love and happiness.... freedom, perhaps, to those that are undesired. You love what others despise, may Shelyn bless your path."

Her hand passes across the spread, the central card being a jeweltoned version of the Twins. She hovers over it briefly, but looks below that one at the Mute Hag card.

"How does destiny unfold for you, Adele? What secrets will you harbor in your heart? Perhaps it is the conflict of laws, for I see within you a great desire to do justice. But whose idea of justice is right? For it may be something that all creatures may be said to aspire to. Perhaps you will look out for the little people, those who (like yourself) have known the treachery of time. Or perhaps, you too will be drawn into the conflict of your desires. Will you yearn for a past that cannot be, a future that can be made anew, or to know fully where you are in the present? Will the desires of your heart be in the specks of beauty which fill your dream-clouded memory, or in another reality altogether..... only you can decide this, Adele."

Zalania pauses again, lifting her crystal goblet for a sip of red wine. "But the future...... that is what you want to know about, yes? You want to know if I see love or wealth and all the good things that one wants from life."

Her hand drifts to the center card of the final column, the Courtesan card. "There may be all that you desire, but you will learn a valuable lesson from life. You are a social creature now, your life is held in the balance of great republics and powerful empires. Life for you is what your political situation will make of it. And I see you in many places at once. I see you crossing borders and playing roles grander than you even now imagine. And all with the vaneer of sparkling beauty. The light of Shelyn shines through you."

Zalania's hand hovers again, touching the cards above and below the Courtesan card: the Desert and Demon's Lantern cards. "But as much beauty as you have, even with your social skills enhanced, I still see you on a lonely path. It is a path that you must take, though, but not one that can be completely understood by others. Are you prepared for this, I cannot tell.... but know that some things in this life are never meant to be though our heart yearns for them beyond comprehension. This is your challenge.... to accept this grave possibility. It is a concern that rips you apart, I can feel its presence now rippling through time. Be ready for it. Be ready to face the long, dark loneliness that you will recoil from. So much has already been taken from you.... and so much more promised. It is a grave responsibility for one so full of life, but it will be asked of you, and you will know it."

Zalania begins collecting up the cards. "Is there anything else you seek, Adele?"


Sure, Xayden could use a harrow reading...


Pretty cool stuff, stardust!

So, who's got the core rules already? Joana, I know you do, saw your post in another thread.


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

I'm hoping to get mine tomorrow, Monday. Most of the people that got theirs on Saturday got the shipping notice last Tuesday. My shipping notice arrived on Wednesday.

~Can hardly wait.


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

Here are the cards I drew for Adele, again, in abbreviated format.

:
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Adele Dujardin
Past1. Winged Serpent (knowing when to strike, bridging knowledge/prudence)
Past2. Locksmith (keys of destiny)
Past3. Eclipse (Loss of spiritual path)

Current1. Wanderer (Treating well the undesired)
Current2. Twin (Indecision, divided loyalty)
Current3. Mute Hag (Dark secrets, blood pacts)

Future1. Desert (Bleak, lonely path)
Future2. Courtesan (Social niceties, politics, feminine guile)
Future3. Demon's Lantern (Impossible situation)

I'll have one up for Xayden later on today. (Interesting, we have an A, an X, and a Z. Just now noticed that. By the way, do we pronounce the X as a hard C or as a Z?)


As Zy in Zyayden and Z in Zailean


Male (he/him) Irish Physicist (Programmer Dedication) 5

I won't have mine till the pdf, being in Ireland.


Archon Adept wrote:

Pretty cool stuff, stardust!

So, who's got the core rules already? Joana, I know you do, saw your post in another thread.

Oh, no, actually, I just finally got my shipping notice so I could download the PDFs to everything else. My box won't ship until tomorrow and won't be here until Friday.

Scarab Sages

The status of my core is "shipping" still...I didn't receive it yesterday...I was really surprised some people in like Wisconsin and Minnesota rcv'd theirs already...


Male Red headed something or other. Electronics Technician 7/Computer Programmer 8/Database Admin 5

I'll be ordering the pdf as soon as I can, can't afford the hardcover at this point and I'll have to scrape together the money for the pdf as it is.

If the order for some PC's I'm building comes through then I may have some extra cash for spending, but we'll see what happens.

At the latest I'll be getting the pdf at this point on the 18th, and hopefully sooner then that. I've already started building Armorneus from the beta, so hopefully the switch to the final rules will be easy.


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
The status of my core is "shipping" still...I didn't receive it yesterday...I was really surprised some people in like Wisconsin and Minnesota rcv'd theirs already...

Are you using UPS for shipping? I think all the people who have gotten theirs early were USPS since they give a generous window for how long it will take to ship. The longest time UPS takes to ship anywhere in the continental US is 4 days, so anyone using the UPS shipping option wouldn't have shipped any earlier than Friday, I imagine.

Scarab Sages

Nope, I think I'm using USPS...


Joana wrote:
Oh, no, actually, I just finally got my shipping notice so I could download the PDFs to everything else. My box won't ship until tomorrow and won't be here until Friday.

Whoops, my mistake then! Sorry 'bout that.


I'm in the same boat with Doug right now, btw. I didn't preorder or subscribe, but I'll be downloading the PDF at my earliest convenience.


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

Sorry about taking so long, I was watching an intense movie. A pretty spectacular one at that.

Xayden Xailean

Past1. Empty Throne (A boon from a distant locale. What seems like a loss is actually a good thing.)
Past2. Locksmith (Keys of destiny) <---Hmm, do we have a trend here?
Past3. Avalanche (Unrelenting disaster.)

I hope you will forgive me if I don't perform it as I did for Adele. My mind's just not into it at the moment.

Where in Adele's past I saw extreme hardship, in yours there is one single terrible misfortune, but other than that your path has been strewn with one lucky break after another. In fact, it is exceedingly obvious that you have been chosen out by the Gods for some special purpose. I imagine that you were not born a slave but fell into it, and have recently escaped by a strange combination of lucky events and the willing sacrifices of one paladin of Shelyn.

Current1. Wanderer (Treating well the undesired.)
Current2. Twin (Indecision, divided loyalties.)
Current3. Mute Hag (Dark secrets. blood pacts.)

These are the exact same cards that came up for Adele's harrowing. Your paths are intertwined at this time. You have found within each other a common goal for your faiths to act upon. You both have a desire to help the underdogs. You both have the same divided loyalties, the codes that drive you together are the same that keep you apart, and the secret desires that you harbor, for whatever reason, are still present.

(I'm starting to get a romantic vibe between Xayden and Adele, but I'm not pushing anything.)

Future1. Desert (Bleak, lonely path.)
Future2. Vision (Sudden arcane knowledge.)
Future3. Liar (Broken heart, treacherous love.)

Though your paths are bound together for now, ultimately they are unique from one another. You are both destined for great things, but your destinies do not converge, only the paths at this time. Your path may soon split off, with whatever burst of insight the Gods see fit to bequeath. (Adele also got the Desert card.)


Zalania Sapphros wrote:
(I'm starting to get a romantic vibe between Xayden and Adele, but I'm not pushing anything.)

Well, at least we'd know we're doomed before we begin. ;)

A paladin of Shelyn really ought to be in a relationship, though. Or is Xayden more the play-the-field type?


Xayden is a gnome...so he's probably a bit flighty...perhaps Xayden's small stature is what keeps them separated...or his flighty nature...he's not reliable in a relationship...

Perhaps one of them thinks of the other as more of a sibling than as a lover...


Xayden Xailean the Wanderer wrote:

Xayden is a gnome...so he's probably a bit flighty...perhaps Xayden's small stature is what keeps them separated...or his flighty nature...he's not reliable in a relationship...

Perhaps one of them thinks of the other as more of a sibling than as a lover...

Big sister, little brother. I like that!


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1
Archon Adept wrote:
Xayden Xailean the Wanderer wrote:

Xayden is a gnome...so he's probably a bit flighty...perhaps Xayden's small stature is what keeps them separated...or his flighty nature...he's not reliable in a relationship...

Perhaps one of them thinks of the other as more of a sibling than as a lover...

Big sister, little brother. I like that!

It fits the bill nicely. Any other harrowings? I'll try to do them like I did the first one for Adele. It feels good when I can do it that way, like I'm doing an actual reading. (<--Tarot enthusiast at heart)


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

Alas, no Pathfinder today. I got the Crypt of the Everflame instead.


Xaaon posted in another thread that he got his today...

...so now we all get to pepper him with questions to get a headstart on our characters. :)

Scarab Sages

Unfortunately I'm barely going to have time to read it over the next cxouple days because my side work is going to eat up a lot of that time..


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
Unfortunately I'm barely going to have time to read it over the next cxouple days because my side work is going to eat up a lot of that time..

Booooooooo!!!


I did have a chance to look at my book for about 15 minutes...enough to know I'm taking the travel domain...since the granted power is 10 ft additional movement. The second domain would be charm, granting some nice domain spells....charm, calm emotions, suggestion, heroism, plus charm monster.


Male (he/him) Irish Physicist (Programmer Dedication) 5

Cool about travel, I have a cleric with the travel domain.

Scarab Sages

What are we using for creation? I'll have my character comcept more finalized once I have my stats done. With Charm and Travel, he's definitely a wandering charmer type, this set-up would also world well for a Varisian Cleric of Cayden named after a certain Gypsy Punk...

So point buy? Roll on IC? what? normal gold for Magic? 88k I think was the number for 9th level, (don't quote me though, I didn't bring the 4 1/2 tome with me to work...LoL...can't wait for my PDF...that'll fit nicely on a stick.)


20 point buy for sure, if the system works the same as the Beta.

And yes, whatever the new rulebook quotes as the standard starting wealth for 9th level characters. If you get a chance to look it up and post the number here, I would appreciate that, Xaaon.


I think 9th level wealth in the Beta was 46,000 gp.

Scarab Sages

The numbers appeared the same when I looked at it last night for the point buy...[known typo for a 9 score (1 instead of -1)]

Scarab Sages

Correct, 46k for 9th level, had the wife look it up...


Male Red headed something or other. Electronics Technician 7/Computer Programmer 8/Database Admin 5

Sorry I haven't posted for a few days, I've been a bit ill, still getting over it.

As soon as I can scrape together the cash for the pdf I'll start working up Morn with a 20 point buy and starting wealth for 9th level.

Scarab Sages

get well Doug, I think we have time...

Liberty's Edge

I am hoping I'll get the book in the mail tomorrow. It didn't come today. I'm surprised. Oh well.

Scarab Sages

Patience young padawan...(says he who received it but has barely had the chance to read said goody!)


Xayden is in work, I worked til midnight then deprived myself of some sleep to work on him LoL...now I'm going to dimensional hop off to bed.

(working a full-time real office job, then doing telecomm CAD in the evenings. not to mention, running/playing my PbPs, and designing a my dynamic combat supplement.)


Male (he/him) Irish Physicist (Programmer Dedication) 5

I actually quite like the character sheet layout you got going on there.

Scarab Sages

vagrant-poet wrote:
I actually quite like the character sheet layout you got going on there.

Thanks, I tend to like an organized sheet so I can see everything...


Female Human (Varisian) Wizard (Diviner) 7 / Harrower 1

Okay, I received my PFRPGCR finally today, so I went ahead and put up my character. (It's on the 9th level spoiler) Sniff, good bye Starknife proficiency. Hello dagger-mania! :P

Wow, I have a +11 Initiative modifier now! Even if I roll a 1, I could still potentially act first - lol. Anyway, check out my character, see if she's okay, and let me know if you want me to include anything more in her character sheet, show my wealth-work (I kinda did a little bit of rounding) or any other changes that need to be made.

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