does Pathfinder have them? where?
does Pathfinder have them? where?
Genasi are intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast, and not being Open Game Content, cannot appear in Pathfinder material.
There is, however, a similar race created specifically for Golarion that appears in Qadira: Gateway to the East. The race is called the suli-jann, and he showed up in this picture back in April.
They don't exactly mirror the abilities of the FR genasi, but they're a different race made for a different world.
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No, and it never will. "Genasi" is WotC IP - the only 3e conversion was for Forgotten Realms. Now elemental planetouched races of some sort or another, they may happen eventually. There have been a few fan-done conversions here and there on the boards, including one of my own. Let me see if I can dig up the link to it.
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Genasi are intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast, and not being Open Game Content, cannot appear in Pathfinder material.
There is, however, a similar race created specifically for Golarion that appears in Qadira: Gateway to the East. The race is called the suli-jann, and he showed up in this picture back in April.
They don't exactly mirror the abilities of the FR genasi, but they're a different race made for a different world.
The only issue I could see for someone looking for a Genasi-ish race is that the Suli-Jann are touched by all four elements simultaneously, not just one specific one.
Edit: Here's my old thread: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/feedback/alpha3/general/aVERYRoughDraftOfPathfinderPlanetouched Link
I knew they couldn't have a race called "genasi" but perhaps a similiar race
The majority of the population of Vialesk were originally water genasi, which I didn't immediately catch as being on the IP restriction list. It was changed to gilmen in the published copy, and I went into some detail in the TGB about their being descended from various natives of elemental water.
So yes, genasi exist and there are many of them on the elemental planes, but you can't call them by that name in published stuff ;)
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I knew they couldn't have a race called "genasi" but perhaps a similiar race
I never really liked the name 'Genasi' anyway. (I like Aasimar and Tiefling even less, 'though.)
I'm definitely a fan of giving the elemental/genie-touched races somewhat more thematic abilities than some of the Genasi ones, like the Breathless quality of the Air Genasi.
The Air kin should get a weak form of self-only feather fall, allowing them to fall a certain distance (10 to 30 ft?) unharmed, and getting a +10 to jump / tumble / acrobatics checks to avoid falling damage (to take even more damage off of any fall, and perhaps even getting to take double their base number, instead of the usual 10 ft, so that an Air kin who can fall 30 ft. unharmed can make an Acrobatics check to subtract *another* 30 ft. worth of distance from a fall before taking damage!). When winds blow, an Air kin can treat her body as one size class larger *or* smaller, as she wishes at any given moment, for the purposes of wind effects. If she wants to stand fast, she can stand fast. If she wants to 'go with the wind,' she can let go and be blown away.
Water kin could get the full swim speed / water breathing package, or they could just get a reduced swim speed and the ability to hold their breath like whales or crocodiles, to stay underwater for extended times. A limited 1 round water walk ability that only allows the Water kin to take a double move or run action across water, and for the effect to end if he ends his action on water (allowing him to dash over a stream, for instance), would be neat.
Stuff like this would be way more interesting than 'Electricity Resistance X' or whatever.
I would love stuff like that
hopefully we get some
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The race is called the suli-jann, and he showed up in this picture back in April.
We beat up wussy genasises and take their stuff.
(Seriously: Genasi pictures sucked. This one doesn't. Suli win!)
The only issue I could see for someone looking for a Genasi-ish race is that the Suli-Jann are touched by all four elements simultaneously, not just one specific one.
True enough, but this is intentional. Qadira goes into the particular relationships in a bit more detail (if you read closely), but essentially, the farther one gets away from 'pure' genie blood, the less elemental-specific one becomes; the influence of the Material Plane tends to balance out the equation somewhat. By the time one gets down to suli-jann, they're at least three generations removed from a full-blooded, elemental-specific genie (djinni, efreeti, marid or shaitan), and the influence of their mixed surroundings shows.
That isn't to say that there aren't or shouldn't be more elementally-focused elemental kin out in the world. Just that this isn't what the suli-janni is meant to be.
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True enough, but this is intentional. Qadira goes into the particular relationships in a bit more detail (if you read closely), but essentially, the farther one gets away from 'pure' genie blood, the less elemental-specific one becomes; the influence of the Material Plane tends to balance out the equation a bit
Given that the Suli are descendants of the janni, a non-elemental specific jinn race, they very much should be more generic, as you wrote them. (Nice prize there, the first official expansion to Pathfinder's PC races, by the way.)
Personally, though, the idea of the Material Plane's effects on the situation there just kind of rubs me the wrong way. It feels to me like saying Tieflings and Aasimar should be the same race because the neutrality of the Material Plane will smooth away the diametrically opposed natures of the disparate bloodlines. The descendants of Good, or Law, or Fire shouldn't be the same as Evil, or Chaos, or Water.
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At some point within the next 18 months, I'm pretty sure we'll have Pathfinder versions of genasi for folk to check out. They won't be called genasi, though, for as mentioned above, that isn't an open term. The concept of a player race of elemental humanoids though... that's a different story.
Anyway... stay tuned. For 18 or so months.
EDIT: I reserve the right to, in 18 months' time, say "You'll need to wait another 18 months." :P
EDIT: I reserve the right to, in 18 months' time, say "You'll need to wait another 18 months." :P
lol, how very "VALVE - TEAM FORTRESS 2" of you to say so... 11 YEARS later.
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Though not "technically" genasi, Elemental and Environmental racial variants do appear as open material in Unearthed Arcana and can be found on the d20srd website, along with Bloodlines and such.
I have been toying with the idea of using these variants to introduce regional variety into the standard races.
I have been toying with the idea of using these variants to introduce regional variety into the standard races.
When I was making a Sorcerer I had pondered requesting one these for my race and along with an Elemental Bloodline to further the theme, since our DM allows Assamirs and Tieflings.
Though a few things overlap or make each other redundant. Take the good with the bad I suppose.
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Though not "technically" genasi, Elemental and Environmental racial variants do appear as open material in Unearthed Arcana and can be found on the d20srd website, along with Bloodlines and such.
I have been toying with the idea of using these variants to introduce regional variety into the standard races.
There's also a series of open content Planetouched templates in Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Manual, if you can track down a copy.
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Qadira goes into the particular relationships in a bit more detail (if you read closely), but essentially, the farther one gets away from 'pure' genie blood, the less elemental-specific one becomes; the influence of the Material Plane tends to balance out the equation somewhat. By the time one gets down to suli-jann, they're at least three generations removed from a full-blooded, elemental-specific genie (djinni, efreeti, marid or shaitan), and the influence of their mixed surroundings shows.
Which has the intriguing implications that elemental-specific genies are *specialized* members of genie-kind, and that their original form (many millenia ago) may have been less specific.
Couldn't some of the elemental-like races be handled by a Sorcerous Bloodline as well? Not exactly what you may want ... but it might be a quick fix pre-18 months ;)
Personally, though, the idea of the Material Plane's effects on the situation there just kind of rubs me the wrong way. It feels to me like saying Tieflings and Aasimar should be the same race because the neutrality of the Material Plane will smooth away the diametrically opposed natures of the disparate bloodlines. The descendants of Good, or Law, or Fire shouldn't be the same as Evil, or Chaos, or Water.
Something that filtered out of the book in editing (a nugget I picked up from Wolfgang Baur's genie piece, alsp pre-editing) was that the descendants of a (non-janni) genie pairing with a human created a janni as well. The idea that I picked up on and ran with--and it's one that I think is compelling, at the least--is that genies aren't simply beings of pure element, the way that a fire elemental or an air elemental is. They are elemental, yes, but also something else. Their associated elemental nature isn't necessarily an entirely hereditary trait. Perhaps it's influenced by the plane of their birth, or many generations of family influence. And if it's not necessarily hereditary, well, then it's somewhat mutable.
As regards tieflings and aasmiar, these races are generalized, to a degree; tieflings gain the same abilities whether they are descended of a pit fiend or a succubus, and aasimar have the same powers if they come from a deva, a hound archon, or a ghaele. Fiends (demons and devils) and celestials (of all types), for better or worse, are 'lumped' for their distant mostly-human kin.
Remember that genies aren't elementals; they're outsiders with associated elemental types. As I said above, it'd be perfectly fine to have a race of genie-kin that were more strongly associated with a particular element (due to a predominantly influential genie type in the bloodline), and we'll see that down the line, I'm sure. But I'm hinting at something else here.
Qadira goes into the particular relationships in a bit more detail (if you read closely), but essentially, the farther one gets away from 'pure' genie blood, the less elemental-specific one becomes; the influence of the Material Plane tends to balance out the equation somewhat. By the time one gets down to suli-jann, they're at least three generations removed from a full-blooded, elemental-specific genie (djinni, efreeti, marid or shaitan), and the influence of their mixed surroundings shows.Which has the intriguing implications that elemental-specific genies are *specialized* members of genie-kind, and that their original form (many millenia ago) may have been less specific.
It does, now, doesn't it? ;)
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There's also a series of open content Planetouched templates in Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Manual, if you can track down a copy.Though not "technically" genasi, Elemental and Environmental racial variants do appear as open material in Unearthed Arcana and can be found on the d20srd website, along with Bloodlines and such.
I have been toying with the idea of using these variants to introduce regional variety into the standard races.
Yeah good luck with that. I've been looking for a copy for ages now. Got the Advanced Bestiary, but never seen the others with my own eyes (or else I would have them).
I must Advanced Bestiary is probably one of the best darn Monster books I have ever seen. So I expect the Advanced Player's Manual is equally fantastic.
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Yeah good luck with that. I've been looking for a copy for ages now. Got the Advanced Bestiary, but never seen the others with my own eyes (or else I would have them).
I must Advanced Bestiary is probably one of the best darn Monster books I have ever seen. So I expect the Advanced Player's Manual is equally fantastic.
*laughs* The Thanemage is a neat gish, while the GM's guide has some cool weapon qualities.
Why, yes, I got all three in the apocalypse sale, why? :-)
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Personally, though, the idea of the Material Plane's effects on the situation there just kind of rubs me the wrong way. It feels to me like saying Tieflings and Aasimar should be the same race because the neutrality of the Material Plane will smooth away the diametrically opposed natures of the disparate bloodlines. The descendants of Good, or Law, or Fire shouldn't be the same as Evil, or Chaos, or Water.Something that filtered out of the book in editing (a nugget I picked up from Wolfgang Baur's genie piece, alsp pre-editing) was that the descendants of a (non-janni) genie pairing with a human created a janni as well. The idea that I picked up on and ran with--and it's one that I think is compelling, at the least--is that genies aren't simply beings of pure element, the way that a fire elemental or an air elemental is. They are elemental, yes, but also something else. Their associated elemental nature isn't necessarily an entirely hereditary trait. Perhaps it's influenced by the plane of their birth, or many generations of family influence. And if it's not necessarily hereditary, well, then it's somewhat mutable.
As regards tieflings and aasmiar, these races are generalized, to a degree; tieflings gain the same abilities whether they are descended of a pit fiend or a succubus, and aasimar have the same powers if they come from a deva, a hound archon, or a ghaele. Fiends (demons and devils) and celestials (of all types), for better or worse, are 'lumped' for their distant mostly-human kin.
Remember that genies aren't elementals; they're outsiders with associated elemental types. As I said above, it'd be perfectly fine to have a race of genie-kin that were more strongly associated with a particular element (due to a predominantly influential genie type in the bloodline), and we'll see that down the line, I'm sure. But I'm hinting at something else here.
...Qadira goes into the particular relationships in a bit more
Due to a lack variety of elementals in the game I always made the genies true elementals before, but this is an interesting idea. It seems to imply, to me, that the "modern" genies are descended from something originating in a "higher order". It would be interesting to "track" down the history or their "race" and see where it leads. Does the plane of their origin even exist anymore? Is their parent race extinct?
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There's also a series of open content Planetouched templates in Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Manual, if you can track down a copy.Though not "technically" genasi, Elemental and Environmental racial variants do appear as open material in Unearthed Arcana and can be found on the d20srd website, along with Bloodlines and such.
I have been toying with the idea of using these variants to introduce regional variety into the standard races.
Yeah good luck with that. I've been looking for a copy for ages now. Got the Advanced Bestiary, but never seen the others with my own eyes (or else I would have them).
I must Advanced Bestiary is probably one of the best darn Monster books I have ever seen. So I expect the Advanced Player's Manual is equally fantastic.
The PDFs are still available from the Green Ronin store. Also the Bestiary is available for print from Lulu with some other items (but not the APG or ADMG sadly).
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The PDFs are still available from the Green Ronin store. Also the Bestiary is available for print from Lulu with some other items (but not the APG or ADMG sadly).There's also a series of open content Planetouched templates in Green Ronin's Advanced Player's Manual, if you can track down a copy.Though not "technically" genasi, Elemental and Environmental racial variants do appear as open material in Unearthed Arcana and can be found on the d20srd website, along with Bloodlines and such.
I have been toying with the idea of using these variants to introduce regional variety into the standard races.
Yeah good luck with that. I've been looking for a copy for ages now. Got the Advanced Bestiary, but never seen the others with my own eyes (or else I would have them).
I must Advanced Bestiary is probably one of the best darn Monster books I have ever seen. So I expect the Advanced Player's Manual is equally fantastic.
I just ordered the Advanced Player's Guide from Paizo. 50% off. They had me. Might get the PDFs as well. I like PDFs when I am designing, but like the books at the table and for casual reading.
I really am interested in how those templates will work. I like anything that adds more flavor to the game. :)
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I just ordered the Advanced Player's Guide from Paizo. 50% off. They had me. Might get the PDFs as well. I like PDFs when I am designing, but like the books at the table and for casual reading.
[tangent]The APG is one of the better third-party offerings out there. Ditto the Advanced Bestiary. (No idea about the Advanced DMG, as I don't have that one.)
The Edritch Weaver seems like a very, very fun class (and I vaguely remember the core concept, of 'spell threads,' being mentioned in a Dragon article some years back). The Spellmaster is kind of the Archivist of arcane casters. I'm not as impressed with the rest, and the Thanemage seemed particularly dire (especially in light of the Duskblade, but even the much-reviled Soulknife gets more bang for the buck, as the Thanemage is a feat-poor Fighter who can use a fairly unimpressive magical effect a couple of times a day).
There are a ton of new spells (some evocative of 1st and 2nd edition spells), a mass combat system, the rules stuff from the Complete Psychic (another extremely fun class, although very limited if you choose any of the variations that don't have Drain Vitality), the aforementioned planetouched races, a race customization guide (similar to the build-your-own-class stuff from 2nd Editions Spells & Power / Combat & Tactics Player's Options books) some rather uninspired 'greater' races (a 'greater dwarf' is just a dwarf with double the bonuses, for example) and some various other stuff that I don't remember that well (such as an alignment tracking system that divides alignment into scales, so that your Paladin can be lawful 13, good 17 or something).
I envy anyone picking it up at half price![/endtangent]
At some point within the next 18 months, I'm pretty sure we'll have Pathfinder versions of genasi for folk to check out. They won't be called genasi, though, for as mentioned above, that isn't an open term. The concept of a player race of elemental humanoids though... that's a different story.
Anyway... stay tuned. For 18 or so months.
EDIT: I reserve the right to, in 18 months' time, say "You'll need to wait another 18 months." :P
now when you say "within" I am assuming you mean closer to the 18th month mark
The origin of Genasi is a bit odd anyway...how DO you have relations with an elemental? ESPECIALLY a fire elemental? it's pure flame, does it have a fire seed?
Not all inhuman bloodlines arise from matings.
In other news, I wrote this a while back.
The origin of Genasi is a bit odd anyway...how DO you have relations with an elemental? ESPECIALLY a fire elemental? it's pure flame, does it have a fire seed?Not all inhuman bloodlines arise from matings.
In other news, I wrote this a while back.
That's pretty slick, much more palatable than the standard genasi, IMO.
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Not all inhuman bloodlines arise from matings.
Makes sense that there would be a plethora of ways to get elemental essence infused into your own, without there having to be any boot-knockery going on.
In other news, I wrote this a while back.
I like the various powers. Very thematic, and much more imaginative than the typical Genasi fare. I'm already pondering how to bump them down to LA+0 for Pathfinder use...
I wrote those years ago. Given the power level of PF core races, they're probably pretty close to +0.
Makes sense that there would be a plethora of ways to get elemental essence infused into your own, without there having to be any boot-knockery going on.
Yes but "boot-knockery" is the most fun way of getting there. ;)
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Makes sense that there would be a plethora of ways to get elemental essence infused into your own, without there having to be any boot-knockery going on.Yes but "boot-knockery" is the most fun way of getting there. ;)
"I'm pregnant, by an efreet."
"Didn't you make him wear a condom?"
"Yes, but it wasn't asbestos, didn't want the cancer risk."
That's pretty slick, much more palatable than the standard genasi, IMO.The origin of Genasi is a bit odd anyway...how DO you have relations with an elemental? ESPECIALLY a fire elemental? it's pure flame, does it have a fire seed?Not all inhuman bloodlines arise from matings.
In other news, I wrote this a while back.
I agree. Those are great elemental-touched