WOTC makes free (and UPDATED) version of Keep on the Shadowfell available for download on their site:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20090428
Cool! (Well, maybe not for game store owners.)
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what are you talking about?
H1 is the first (and bestselling, according to Amazon) 4e adventure. If retailers complaining about a 35% PDF discount at Paizo were mad, because they felt it encouraged customers away from the physical store, then by the same logic they should stand to lose a considerable amount of revenue, and be pissed at Wizards, now.
what are you talking about?H1 is the first (and bestselling, according to Amazon) 4e adventure. If retailers complaining about a 35% PDF discount at Paizo were mad, because they felt it encouraged customers away from the physical store, then by the same logic they should stand to lose a considerable amount of revenue, and be pissed at Wizards, now.
Yes.. the paper copies of Keep on the Shadowfell aren't worth very much now.. except to have a hardcopy. But definitely not at the original retail price tag.
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what are you talking about?H1 is the first (and bestselling, according to Amazon) 4e adventure. If retailers complaining about a 35% PDF discount at Paizo were mad, because they felt it encouraged customers away from the physical store, then by the same logic they should stand to lose a considerable amount of revenue, and be pissed at Wizards, now.
Ah, thanks...
Also the Character Builder has been updated with PHB2 stuff from levels 1-3. So basically you can test-drive 4E for free.
Also the Character Builder has been updated with PHB2 stuff from levels 1-3. So basically you can test-drive 4E for free.
So you'd have to reinstall the character builder demo to get the phb2 stuff if you're original character builder demo install didn't have any of that?
What does this have to do with Green Ronin?
WOTC makes free (and UPDATED) version of Keep on the Shadowfell available for download on their site:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20090428
I'm glad I haven't paid any money for this stuff.
What does this have to do with Green Ronin?
A game store owner wrote an open letter (on ENWorld?) complaining that discount-priced PDFs (from Paizo and Green Ronin, among others) were undercutting the market for print products. Green Ronin posted a rebuttal (on a different website). I don't have the links, but I'm sure someone else will find 'em.
WOTC makes free (and UPDATED) version of Keep on the Shadowfell available for download on their site:
Question ... Is it in PDF format? :P
Heh, free stuff.
I cannot refuse free stuff, so I've downloaded it, can't read it though because next month were are continueing our delve of a modified shadowfell.
The quick play rules will be handy, I am not that into 4e, so getting a better grasp of the rule might improve the fun.....
Gut feeling: the edition wars intensify!
Heh, free stuff.
I cannot refuse free stuff, so I've downloaded it, can't read it though because next month were are continueing our delve of a modified shadowfell.
The quick play rules will be handy, I am not that into 4e, so getting a better grasp of the rule might improve the fun.....
Gut feeling: the edition wars intensify!
Doubt it. It looks like the "Edition Wars" have kind of flamed out, with no conclusion that either side could claim as a victory. :(
Doubt it. It looks like the "Edition Wars" have kind of flamed out, with no conclusion that either side could claim as a victory. :(
Nobody won.
Everybody loses in this kind of conflict.We are all gamers. We all like or dislike some games, but fighting each other about a rules system is pointless and damaging to the gaming community.
Thanks, Hogarth. I guess I was tired when I read this so I thought, "Green Ronin had a pdf sale too?"
Now I will think of a Wotci fat cat sitting behind a desk, saying, "Throw the complainers a bone...but make it something that will get them on board with the new edition."
Thanks, Hogarth. I guess I was tired when I read this so I thought, "Green Ronin had a pdf sale too?"
I believe they did reduce their prices on some things, yes. (Like the True20 rulebook, I think.)
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Thanks, Hogarth. I guess I was tired when I read this so I thought, "Green Ronin had a pdf sale too?"
Now I will think of a Wotci fat cat sitting behind a desk, saying, "Throw the complainers a bone...but make it something that will get them on board with the new edition."
Right On, M. This is TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. And, another see-though-crap-ploy-marketing-charlie-foxtrot.
They take away our .pdfs and the legacy of our game with the right hand - - - and dish out crap with the left.
Crap. Crap. And double-crap. Don't throw us any frickin' bones you inconsiderate sobs.
*fumes*
Any 4e thread Pax touches turns to molten rust. ;)
You're going to have to change your name to Bella!
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I can't get the Character Builder to run; I just go round in an endless loop, of downloading the installer, running the installer, getting the message that the installer worked, ordering the program to run, getting the error message that it can't find the program, do you want to try again...which starts installing the installer, etc.
I've no hate to prove for 4E, I'm willing to give it a read, and test the mechanics, and steal whatever works, the way I've done with lots of games. Try creating some PCs and have them compete with each other in various tests. But if I come up against technological brick walls, it doesn't inspire me to keep trying, or to sign up for any of their DDI tools.
Heroforge manages to give a 3.5 PC generator, which prompts you to make choices, in a fraction of the file size, and in widely-used Excel format. How come this can't do the same, in 50+ MB?
If i recall correctly, the character visualizer was before independent.
And now it is gone. Vanished.
Unless it has been integrated to the character builder, which doesn't work.
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Doubt it. It looks like the "Edition Wars" have kind of flamed out, with no conclusion that either side could claim as a victory. :(Nobody won.
Everybody loses in this kind of conflict.
We are all gamers. We all like or dislike some games, but fighting each other about a rules system is pointless and damaging to the gaming community.
I personally feel other games won...which is good for the industry as a whole...people who don't want to play 4e or Pathfinder, shift their discretionary spending to other games...I know I have (thought I do buy Pathfinder stuff)
I wonder how the retailers who jumped all over Paizo and Green Ronin are going to respond to this...
Its not really the same thing and is unlikely to raise the same kinds of red flags with the brick and mortar establishments.
Essentially what most concerns a brick and mortar establishment is that their publisher is going to harm them by cutting them out. The tug of war really exists between a publisher that has some kind of an online store and the brick and mortar stores. The concern revolves around the danger that the publisher will undercut the brick and mortar store by offering sales or deals (extra content or great package deals) in their online store that are better then what the brick and mortar store can offer.
The online publisher actually has an incentive to do this because sales on their online store result in them being able to keep the the 'cut' of the profits that normally go to the brick and mortar store owner. Its therefore tempting for an online store to have sales or deals that draw customers to them at the expense of the brick and mortar stores because such sales are more profitable to the publisher/online seller then selling the same product to a FLGS would be.
Thats not to say that this happens all that often because the FLGS do have one major stick in their arsenal with which to threaten the publisher/online retailer. They can choose to stop carrying their product. If enough of them do that then the publisher/online retailer faces a major advertising problem as huge numbers of people will never see or hear about their products. Nonetheless there is this precarious balance in place were the FLGSs watch the publisher/online retailers like a hawk looking for signs of cheating and complaining bitterly anytime the publisher/online retailer does something thats in the 'gray' area.
You don't have this precarious balance with WotCs products because they don't directly sell their own stuff. If you click on some product you want on their website they send you to a program that asks your area code and city and then tells you all the FLGS nearby that will sell you this product. Needless to say no FLGS is going to complain about a publishing model that pushes customers into their stores.
Furthermore making a product free is not the same kind of problem as discounting a product is. Its not an example of a conflict of interest because its clear that the free product does not make anyone money - in essence no one is 'cheating' if its free.
That said there might be a lot of angry retailers or distributors if there is a lot of product currently still in the distribution network or in the inventory of the retailers. In this case, unless WotC has agreed to take the product back, there could well be hard feelings since ones products still in inventory are now worth a lot less - probably even less then the retailer paid for it.