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The awesome thread titled 'How Drums Taught Me To See,' is the starting point for this one--
So, what's your tribe?
My family traces it's origins, going backwards, like so: America, Wales, Norway.
I'd say I'm American, but is that my Tribe? I personally identify with...
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Tribally? I was raised Irish, but I was adopted. Five years ago I discovered my biological family, and found that my ancestors were a mixed bag of Cape Bretoners from Nova Scotia who mainly traced their descent from the Isle of Barra..
So culturally Irish, biologically Scots-Irish.
I'm Irish from my mother's side, and mostly Scottish from my father's side. I respect and admire my heritage, but I consider myself an American first and foremost.
QFT. While I respect my heritage, both cultural and biological, I am an American. Not an Irish-American, not a Scottish-American, not even a damned Yankee. An American, plain and simple.
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My family is Scottish through and through on my mother's side. We can trace our ancestry back to William Wallace's family on that side. On my father's side we are from Norway and can trace our ancestry back to Thor, son of Odin. Personally I think my father's ancesters had delusions of grandeur, but what can I say. I personally identify with my Scots ancesters. However, the tribe I most identify myself with these days is the Paizoan tribe.
Geek. Rationalist. Intellectual.
Dna is so admixed that we are all pretty interconnected. My family is Scottish on my mother's side, and Rhodesian English on my father's side.
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I self-identify as a nerd.
I'm back from work and can post a real response. Family legend has it that we are descended from Isaac Gulliver.
Gulliver was probably a Norman/French name meaning 'Glutton'. The earliest Gullivers were in England around 1056.
If a tribe is something you identify with, though, I'm not sure that 'English' is my tribe. I'm an academic, a nerd, and a Paizonian before I'm 'English'.
I'm Scotch-Irish and English. I have a tad of Bohemian in me as well. I'm also a descendant of Francis Scott Key.
Afro-American / Caribbean-American.
Born in NYC, Mother from Trinidad, Father from Florida. Some Seminole ancestry on my father's side. Possibly some European /French as well.
As for where my loyalties lay, I suppose I could consider myself American. I was born here and I have citizenship here, all my stuff is here. It wasn't until this past year where I've really started to feel like I was part of this country though.
I suppose that's a good thing.
Maternal Grandmother - pure Irish. Surnames BROWN, DALY
Maternal Grandfather - Scottish/Irish. Surnames ROSS, McNEVIN
Paternal Grandmother - Irish and ? Surnames WILSON, RAFFERTY
Paternal Grandfather - Dutch, German, Irish, and English. Several lines traced back to the 1500s. Surnames FISHER-GANTZ, NUSS, RIGGS, PLANTS, STOLLAR (Van Der STOLLAR), EALY (IHLE), WHITLACH, and more.
Makes me an
Never ask an amateur genealogist this question. ;)
we're not absolutely sure, but I am some west african race, scottish and blackfoot NA
Father's side: complete unknown other than Dad was Caucasian and from the mountains (not that the Appalachians really count), from Cumberland, MD.
Mother's side: To the best of our knowledge, mixed Scottish and English with 1/8 German. Family legend says we're descended from some English royalty, but I rather doubt it.
General description: I'm Scottish/English/German, so I'm always ready for a fight-with myself.
In other words, I'm an American. Self-professed Carroll Countian of Maryland.
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Father's side: complete unknown other than Dad was Caucasian and from the mountains (not that the Appalachians really count), from Cumberland, MD.
Mother's side: To the best of our knowledge, mixed Scottish and English with 1/8 German. Family legend says we're descended from some English royalty, but I rather doubt it.
General description: I'm Scottish/English/German, so I'm always ready for a fight-with myself.
In other words, I'm an American. Self-professed Carroll Countian of Maryland.
So what royalty is that then missy? Lets see some family tree.
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Maternal Grandmother - pure Irish. Surnames BROWN, DALY
Maternal Grandfather - Scottish/Irish. Surnames ROSS, McNEVIN
Paternal Grandmother - Irish and ? Surnames WILSON, RAFFERTY
Paternal Grandfather - Dutch, German, Irish, and English. Several lines traced back to the 1500s. Surnames FISHER-GANTZ, NUSS, RIGGS, PLANTS, STOLLAR (Van Der STOLLAR), EALY (IHLE), WHITLACH, and more.Makes me an
** spoiler omitted **Never ask an amateur genealogist this question. ;)
Browns? Dalys? You very distant relative!
In 1526 left europe, went to Islamic colony in Australia then left when colony destroyed by Cyclone and Tidal Wave...moved back to europe, relocated to North America, fough in French-English war for Quebec Canada, had farm burned by Washington and his band of Terrorists for not supplying the revolutionaries with what they want, Left for Canada, caught up in US-Canadian war, moved north of the new US-CANADA border. Left Canada for Australia.
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All the Americans here (like me) are likely to say 'American'--so the real question becomes, of your ancestry, what is most important or interesting to you. My recorded ancestry is pretty short, so it's easy for me to pick one of the two, Norway or Wales. My family emigrated from Wales very recently enough that my grandad spoke with an accent, so I pick Wales.
Norman-English over here. (Show us a land, we'll conquer it.) Why they left Kent and came to South Texas is something I'd really like to know. Either very hardy lot or fleeing from debt.
Apparently Anglo-Saxon, but Mom's maiden name is rare and haven't been able to tie it down to an area.
Scot-Irish (Ulstermen, for those not familiar with what they called themselves in America.) Lots of 'em.
Apparently a little Welsh. A dash of Comanche (thank you, Quanah Parker.) Much more of an Indian tribe that will unfortunately probably remain unidentifiable.
Maternal Grandmother - pure Irish. Surnames BROWN, DALY
Maternal Grandfather - Scottish/Irish. Surnames ROSS, McNEVIN
Paternal Grandmother - Irish and ? Surnames WILSON, RAFFERTY
Paternal Grandfather - Dutch, German, Irish, and English. Several lines traced back to the 1500s. Surnames FISHER-GANTZ, NUSS, RIGGS, PLANTS, STOLLAR (Van Der STOLLAR), EALY (IHLE), WHITLACH, and more.Makes me an
** spoiler omitted **Never ask an amateur genealogist this question. ;)
Browns? Dalys? You very distant relative!
In 1526 left europe, went to Islamic colony in Australia then left when colony destroyed by Cyclone and Tidal Wave...moved back to europe, relocated to North America, fough in French-English war for Quebec Canada, had farm burned by Washington and his band of Terrorists for not supplying the revolutionaries with what they want, Left for Canada, caught up in US-Canadian war, moved north of the new US-CANADA border. Left Canada for Australia.
Brother!
My g-g-grandfather was Michael Brown, married Befou (Bessie) Devon (shoulda mentioned that one), and lived in Old Castle, Ballinruik(sp?), Westmeath in 1865 when my g-grandfather was born. He moved to Liverpool due to the famine. It sucks that Irish ancestry, especially Catholic, is so hard to trace.
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So, what's your tribe?
Well, my dad did some digging a few years back and managed to trace our ancestry all the way back to a "hirdmann" in the early 14th century. Hird means household, so a he was a "man of the house" in the sense of a retainer, huscarl is often used as a synonym.
He was essentially minor nobility sine the reward for such service was usually stewardship of land. He likely belonged to the household troops of a greater noble such as a Jarl (the Ladejarl (Jarl of Lade) is the most likely candidate). Digging also uncovered that two of his decendants (my ancestors) were archbishops of the archbishopy of Nidaros (Nidaros was the capital of Norway at the time, and is known as Trondheim today). That would indicate his family had been a part of the country for some time, since they didn't give out these positions to anyone and there wasn't a great deal of social mobility in those days. So my family has certainly been around since the viking age, most likely a lot longer than that, possibly as far back as the first germanic peoples that settled these areas when the ice age ended.
So if you mean tribe as in national identity, then I am entirely Norwegian.
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Maternal Grandmother - pure Irish. Surnames BROWN, DALY
Maternal Grandfather - Scottish/Irish. Surnames ROSS, McNEVIN
Paternal Grandmother - Irish and ? Surnames WILSON, RAFFERTY
Paternal Grandfather - Dutch, German, Irish, and English. Several lines traced back to the 1500s. Surnames FISHER-GANTZ, NUSS, RIGGS, PLANTS, STOLLAR (Van Der STOLLAR), EALY (IHLE), WHITLACH, and more.Makes me an
** spoiler omitted **Never ask an amateur genealogist this question. ;)
Heh heh...
Anyway:
Maternal Grandmother - English / German / Welsh. Related surnames FREDERICK, ?
Maternal Grandfather - Irish / German. Related surnames CLARENBACH, ?
Paternal Grandmother - pure Irish (Northern). Related surnames WALSH, CAWLEY, MAY, SWEENEY
Paternal Grandfather - pure Irish (Northern). Related surnames MALLON, O'MALLEY, FITZGERALD
Relatives of note:
KATHRYN F. CLARENBACH - womens' rights activist
MICHEAL MALLIN - IRA leader, executed during the Rising
"Typhoid" MARY MALLON - responsible for a major New York typhoid outbreak
JIM MALLON - creator of "Mystery Science Theatre 3000"