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Chaotic Germans...It's not our fault that you messed up your language when mutating it out of ours!
We spell it Dämon and its pronounced entirely differently. And we originally didn't even have the word Ghoul/Ghul.
There's a new book whose argument is that English is essentially not a germanic language, but a Celtic one with germanic (and latinate) vocabulary . I'm gonna go with that. Not even the English could improve a germanic language that much...
If that doesn't offend you enough, feel free to give a listen to what Sir Kenneth Clark has to say about the German language at the end of his Civilization series. :)
I don't get offended, I act up for the heck of it.
Also German is the best and most powerful language in the world. It is after all the language that destroyed latin.
Strictly speaking, and depending on how you mean "destroyed" either Gothic, French, or English destroyed Latin.
Also German is the best and most powerful language in the world. It is after all the language that destroyed latin.
How I mean "destroyed"? Using its awesome powers to sunder latin into smythereens spreading them all over europe tainting every existing language. Especially spanish, portuguese and french.
Are you still taking me seriously?
Okay before i get kicked out of here something on topic:
I think it's pretty bad form to use "Ghoul" and "Ghul" or "Demon" and "Daemon" for two different things. They are the same words and it just causes confusion and is straight away wrong. Im sure there is something better to come up with to call your NE outsiders.
Daemon is a classic. Sure, it doesn't make sense to us Germans (though we use Daimon to differentiate it from Dämon), but there are too many languages to make everything fit in every language.
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Of course since ghoul comes from ghul which means demon, are all four just the same thing? Hmm :)
I don't know. At times I find using names that refer to the same beastie for two different critters annoying, other times I think how much more interesting it is to not have gorgons and medusas be the same thing, or orcs and goblins...
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I think how much more interesting it is to not have gorgons and medusas be the same thing, or orcs and goblins...
I don't much mind synonyms being split up into different monsters.
I do mind the same word pulling double duty - ghul and ghoul? same word. Same meaning, same pronunciation. Demon and Daemon? Same meaning, same pronunciation. Fairy and Faerie? Same meaning, same pronunciation? Fish and Ghoti? Same meaning, same pronunciation.Spelling something differently doesn't make it a different word!
Well...they should work in the language they are composed in, Kaeyoss.
Russ has a point here.
Myself, I will try and give "ghul" a somewhat distinctive pronunciation that fits the setting, and assume that what things are called can vary with setting, even given the spread of the common tongue. That doesn't work for me when it comes to "daemons" and an arcane standard taxonomy when it comes to Knowledge: Planes. So I'll come up with a term to plug in every time Paizo says "daemon." Anybody want to help me with that?
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Demon and Daemon sound the same? Really?
I always pronounced them DEE-mon and DAE-mon (Ae like mount aetna.)
Then again, I'll pronounce Ghoul as ghool and ghul as ghul like dull with a gh noise. If all else fails, we can go and start sticking ' in them. gh'ul, goa'uld, etc ;-)
Yeah, and I always liked its Lovecraftian sound.
Here's something I was unclear on: is it Wizards' IP? I can't find it in the SRD.
Any ideas on an available, open term for yugoloths?
Yeah, that'd be nice. Though I don't mind making use of associations and existing words in its construction.
How about, Akathartoloth? "Unclean" in Greek plus the "loth" ending.
Akatharaloth?
Abaddoloth? Abaddon + loth
That hasn't already been used for a specific type of fiend, or as a broad catchall (like fiend)? And isn't weighed down by cultural specific baggage like Cluitie or Asura?
Um. Hellion?
While we've already presented the first of the asuras in PF #9 - with more to come soon - I'm unfamiliar with the "Cluitie." If you have any links to more info on this I'd love to read up.
Are those the evil fey Scottish women? Beautiful up top, have deer feet they try to keep hidden?
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English is the weirdo branch of Germanic, having been influenced in our sentence construction by the native Welsh and Cornish after the Anglo-Saxon invasions (we have them to blame for our superfluous 'do'), and then having our verb conjugations torn to hell by a bunch of Vikings who settled in the English north country and then had to learn English as adults (thank them for why we basically only have two or three verb forms per tense).
http://www.amazon.com/Our-Magnificent-Bastard-Tongue-English/dp/1592403956/ ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239043092&sr=8-1
There is also the influence of the Old French language that was spoken by the Norman invaders (who were themselves descendents of vikings).
All of us Norman bastards are ready to receive your gratitude. If it wasn't for the Celts and us, you'd all be speaking German.
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All of us Norman bastards are ready to receive your gratitude. If it wasn't for the Celts and us, you'd all be speaking German.
You have mine. It's not that I don't like my mother tongue but there has to be a reason for the fact that you have to look really hard to find well-written, entertaining, high quality german literature. We had our share in the past but in the meantime, most german books aren't even worth the time to take a look at the back cover.
Dangit Pathfinder!
Ghoul and Ghul are homophones!
Dangit Pathfinder!
You make me hungry. Dinner time, Ghularschsuppe is served!
All of us Norman bastards are ready to receive your gratitude. If it wasn't for the Celts and us, you'd all be speaking German.
Wäre auch nicht weiter schlimm, oder?
Aber so kann ich über euch lästern, ohne, dass ihr mich versteht.
Onn wenna dadd hochdeitsch irschendwie rauskrehn, kann ich emma noch pladd schwätze. Jo, onn dann hanna kenn schongs rauszukrehn wadd eich do eischendlich sahn.
You make me hungry. Dinner time, Ghularschsuppe is served!
Ghulinarische Genüsse!
Gesundheit!
Dankeschön!
Mahlzeit!
Would be interesting to know the demographics of this board. I assume Germany has a good share of users, since (german) 4E isn't well supported and famous (infering from my native DnD board) here.
Clearly it all boils down to "American" English being wrong all the, and every, time.
No exceptions.
P.S I'm not British hur dur
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Mahlzeit!
Would be interesting to know the demographics of this board. I assume Germany has a good share of users, since (german) 4E isn't well supported and famous (infering from my native DnD board) here.
There has been a poll about this in October 2008, which quite nicely shows that Mairkurion is right if he calls us "chaotic" germans.
There has been a poll about this in October 2008, which quite nicely shows that Mairkurion is right if he calls us "chaotic" germans.Mahlzeit!
Would be interesting to know the demographics of this board. I assume Germany has a good share of users, since (german) 4E isn't well supported and famous (infering from my native DnD board) here.
Well, I won't speak for everyone else, but I am very chaotic.
Well, I won't speak for everyone else, but I am very chaotic.There has been a poll about this in October 2008, which quite nicely shows that Mairkurion is right if he calls us "chaotic" germans.Mahlzeit!
Would be interesting to know the demographics of this board. I assume Germany has a good share of users, since (german) 4E isn't well supported and famous (infering from my native DnD board) here.
At last, law and good will prevail.
At last, law and good will prevail.
Cry yourself to sleep with that litany. The universe has my back. Order is an illusion, Chaos is, Chaos was, and Chaos will forever be.
Life is too interesting for Order.
At last, law and good will prevail.Cry yourself to sleep with that litany. The universe has my back. Order is an illusion, Chaos is, Chaos was, and Chaos will forever be.
Life is too interesting for Order.
And again, you react exactly as expected. There is Order underlying even the farthest depths of Chaos, cradling the lost souls caught within.
And again, you react exactly as expected. There is Order underlying even the farthest depths of Chaos, cradling the lost souls caught within.
No. Answering "Goldish. Pink Pussy Cat" or something would have been expected.
Using the plural of accent would indicate that I was, in fact, referring to more than one accent.
are you suggesting that Boston and New york accents are the same? That offends anyone from either of those cities, you know.
I hadn't suggested anything, that was a quote from another site. However, having known folks from both New York and Boston I can assure you ANYTHING you say to them offends them, such as... Hello, How are you?, Nice Day!, Would you like a million dollars?, etc. It's not really an accomplishment to offend them.
Joel, did you mean, you didn't want to aggravate anyone, or you were fearful at the prospect of giving us more fuel for the fire? ;)
Ruhk, Roc, Rook. Seems like there's a fun short story in there somewhere.
Q: Why does the plastic dino set still include the roc, but not the rust monster or the bulette? That makes me sad.
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Joel, did you mean, you didn't want to aggravate anyone, or you were fearful at the prospect of giving us more fuel for the fire? ;)
Yes, that's correct. ;) That's what I get for posting while yelling at my teenager for flushing a clogged toilet.
I'm not sure what you mean about fuel for the fire though, I didn't realize Rocs were fire based creatures! Didn't this thread already mention ifreets? :)
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Joel, did you mean, you didn't want to aggravate anyone, or you were fearful at the prospect of giving us more fuel for the fire? ;)
Ruhk, Roc, Rook. Seems like there's a fun short story in there somewhere.
Q: Why does the plastic dino set still include the roc, but not the rust monster or the bulette? That makes me sad.
Probably got a "cease and desist" from WotC. Even if that toy maker was the one who INSPIRED the bulette and the rust monster...
I can't think of a better name than an undead genie than ghul.
It does sound like ghoul, which is an undead, but it's also a kind of genie in the old stories.
That hasn't already been used for a specific type of fiend, or as a broad catchall (like fiend)? And isn't weighed down by cultural specific baggage like Cluitie or Asura?
Um. Hellion?
While we've already presented the first of the asuras in PF #9 - with more to come soon - I'm unfamiliar with the "Cluitie." If you have any links to more info on this I'd love to read up.
Cluitie doesn't sound like a good idea for a fiend name...I can just imagine my players mocking "so is this one of those cutie demons? Quick, give it a lollipop!"
As for the "tongue" debate, as a native Bostonian, I can say that no one around here pronounces it to rhyme with thong, it's definitely 'tung' here.
All of us Norman bastards are ready to receive your gratitude. If it wasn't for the Celts and us, you'd all be speaking German.Onn wenna dadd hochdeitsch irschendwie rauskrehn, kann ich emma noch pladd schwätze. Jo, onn dann hanna kenn schongs rauszukrehn wadd eich do eischendlich sahn.
Uffn pladden land tun wir nicht schwedsen, da tun wir snacken tun. Is aber ma banning klasse jemand in'n englischn forum sehen zu tun, der dat platt och snaken tut. ^^
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Uffn pladden land tun wir nicht schwedsen, da tun wir snacken tun. Is aber ma banning klasse jemand in'n englischn forum sehen zu tun, der dat platt och snaken tut. ^^All of us Norman bastards are ready to receive your gratitude. If it wasn't for the Celts and us, you'd all be speaking German.Onn wenna dadd hochdeitsch irschendwie rauskrehn, kann ich emma noch pladd schwätze. Jo, onn dann hanna kenn schongs rauszukrehn wadd eich do eischendlich sahn.
Leider mien platt is schiett, aber mein hochdeutsch ist noch gut genug. Wenn meine Mutter, mein Onkel und meine Tanten "platt snakken" muss Ich immer extra aufhören um das zu verstehen =) Und "schwedsen" is doch was die Süddeutschen sagen =)