I have no idea if this is phonetically correct, but:
Ghoul - gah-ool
Ghul - gull or gha-ul
Demon - dee-mon
Daemon - day-mon
Dangit, Pathfinder!
Ghoul and Ghul are homophones!
Demon and Daemon are, too!
Even more danging...they're the same words in each case.
I agree with cappadocius.
ghoul = ghul = "gool"
demon = daemon = "dee-mun"
On the other hand, daimon = "die-mone"
It's another occasion to think about how we've taken names for monsters and created a clean, scientific taxonomic approach to what would be very messy in a pre-scientific world where monsters would be difficult to study, much less give consistent naming conventions.
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demon = daemon = "dee-mun"
On the other hand, daimon = "die-mone"
For another take on this monster, see HERE
For another take on this monster, see HEREdemon = daemon = "dee-mun"
On the other hand, daimon = "die-mone"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Cappadocius, I don't want to either put words in your mouth or to put you in company you'd rather avoid, but I'm going to go out on a limb here: everyday the world makes demands of guys like us and it's just one continuous adjustment...
Heh-heh. Somebody pissed me off good first thing this morning. Happy April Fools indeed!
Ghoul and Ghul are homophones!
Your right, their really spelled the same. Its really frustrating, and I'm about to loose my tamper hear.
Even more danging...they're the same words in each case.
There's a bunch of goblyn vampyres who want to know what's the big problem with that?
Grumbles:
Chaotic Germans...
Whoa Cappa...now you're the scarecrow.
It's easier just to hack into Paizo's records, get the info of people who take your avatar, and pay them a little visit. That way, you never have to change.
Should've used write.
Sorry, eye mist one. It's not my primary tong, so bare with me.
This is what I'm saying, right? They're not just homoPHONES, they're not just SYNONYMS, they're the same danged word!
Even more danging...they're the same words in each case.
And then there's DEFENSE and DEFENCE... irritates me, a lot. Google doesn't see DEFENCE as being misspelled and gives you the definition including the correct spelling, which is DEFENSE. *grumble* (ex: Defensive, not defencive ;p )
Tch. Ewe mist won, sew bare with ewe. Also, there's that whole "standard" English "tong is not homophonous with tongue" thing again. Good effort though!
Sorry, I mist one. It's not my primary tong, so bare with me.
Copied from HERE:
"Tongue" seems to be pronounced in one of two ways, both in Britain and N America. There are those who, like myself pronounce it with an "o" sound- tong, and those that pronouce it with a "u" sound- tung.I have only just thought about this so I'm not sure where the differences occur, but "tong" tends to be more prevalent around New York and in N England (Lou Reed rhymes "tongue" with "thong" in Venus in Furs) and "tung" everywhere else.
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I personally pronounce tongue as "tung". Apparently it's a matter of location and accent, according to the above info. Leave it to KaeYoss to spark conversation on such random things, LOL!
Demon - dee-mon
Daemon - day-mon
This is how everyone I know pronounces them, but I believe 'DEE-MON' is the correct pronunciation for both according to techies I know. I think I'd rather them be differentiated when being used in Pathfinder though... it might be important to know whether or not you're being attacked by a Demon(Chaotic Evil) or a Daemon(Neutral Evil). Right? XD
As for Ghul, I've never seen that before, I will chalk it up as Ghoul and carrying on with business as usual.
*grumble* another one like DEFENSE/DEFENCE... CHALK/CHAULK, though google provides a spelling correction on that one at least.
And then there's DEFENSE and DEFENCE... irritates me, a lot. Google doesn't see DEFENCE as being misspelled and gives you the definition including the correct spelling, which is DEFENSE. *grumble* (ex: Defensive, not defencive ;p )
What are you talking about? Defence is the correct spelling. Just like centre and colour.
There is also at least one word in the English language that changes pronunciation and meaning by capitalizing it. Any guesses?
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"tong" tends to be more prevalent around New York and in N England
Believe me, there isn't an American alive outside of NYC and Boston who would describe those respective accents as "standard". :)
I remember the argument with a New Englander about how he was incorrect in suggesting that bowl and bull rhyme.
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There is also at least one word in the English language that changes pronunciation and meaning by capitalizing it. Any guesses?
a god vs the God?
any single person's name when said by their mother Lee Vs LEE!? (since the second one just adds capitalization and includes the meaning "you're in it knee high as soon as the company leaves the house")
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"tong" tends to be more prevalent around New York and in N EnglandBelieve me, there isn't an American alive outside of NYC and Boston who would describe those respective accents as "standard". :)
I remember the argument with a New Englander about how he was incorrect in suggesting that bowl and bull rhyme.
are you suggesting that Boston and New york accents are the same? That offends anyone from either of those cities, you know.
There is also at least one word in the English language that changes pronunciation and meaning by capitalizing it. Any guesses?
Think I found two ... ares and Ares and august and August :) I'm sure there are more hiding out there :)
There's also glamor, glamour, and glamer. All three of which the fey have, but they're not quite the same thing.
Dangit, Pathfinder!
Ghoul and Ghul are homophones!
Demon and Daemon are, too!
Not that there's anything wrong with it.
Maybe Daemon has a dipthong.
This is what I'm saying, right? They're not just homoPHONES, they're not just SYNONYMS, they're the same danged word!
Now that's definitely getting kinky.
Should I stir Cappa's pot?
There's even an established special usage for the spelling "daemon," although that usage may be restricted to certain circles in academia. Most people's conceptions of what a "demon" is springs from the Christian tradition, with roots in the New Testament. But Greek usage before the adoption of the term in the NT is different, and does not presuppose the evil or "unclean" spirit. Most famously, Plato had a "daimon" (Latin spelling, daemon) that held him back whenever he was about to make a false judgment. This familiar spirit or genius was obviously beneficial, and had almost nothing in common with a demon as later understood. Thus, to make this distinction clear, academic texts refer to it as a daemon, utilizing the alternative English spelling, and when read or spoken of out loud, give it a latinate pronunciation, rather than its English pronunciation. This is likely where Philip Pullman picked up the term.
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For another take on this monster, see HEREdemon = daemon = "dee-mun"
On the other hand, daimon = "die-mone"
I may never sleep again...
I hadn't come up with August/august. Good one.
I was thinking of polish/Polish.
Grumbles:
Chaotic Germans...
It's not our fault that you messed up your language when mutating it out of ours!
We spell it Dämon and its pronounced entirely differently. And we originally didn't even have the word Ghoul/Ghul.
Grumbles:
Chaotic Germans...It's not our fault that you messed up your language when mutating it out of ours!
We spell it Dämon and its pronounced entirely differently. And we originally didn't even have the word Ghoul/Ghul.
There's a new book whose argument is that English is essentially not a germanic language, but a Celtic one with germanic (and latinate) vocabulary . I'm gonna go with that. Not even the English could improve a germanic language that much...
If that doesn't offend you enough, feel free to give a listen to what Sir Kenneth Clark has to say about the German language at the end of his Civilization series. :)
Grumbles:
Chaotic Germans...
Yeah. *We* are the ones who have different pronounciations of row and bow and all that.
In "standard" American dialect
How dreadful. :P
Nah...if you want phonetics, go elsewhere. That's not our strong suit. But more beautiful, diverse, nuanced?
Broader vocab?
Syntax and grammar?
Good luck, meine freunde. ;)
Don't bother trying to run. My agents are already converging on your location.
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There's a new book whose argument is that English is essentially not a germanic language, but a Celtic one with germanic (and latinate) vocabulary . I'm gonna go with that. Not even the English could improve a germanic language that much...
Proto-Germanic is the weirdo branch of Indo-European, showing interesting evidence of having been heavily influenced by Proto-Semitic settlers around the time the Phoenecians were sailing around doing their "Sea People" thing. About one-third of Germanic roots make no sense in the context of other Indo-European descendant languages - those one-third tend to pertain to the sea, sailing, and other wet endeavors. Just the sort of thing for a bunch of sailing Semites to inject into the ol' grandmother tongue.
English is the weirdo branch of Germanic, having been influenced in our sentence construction by the native Welsh and Cornish after the Anglo-Saxon invasions (we have them to blame for our superfluous 'do'), and then having our verb conjugations torn to hell by a bunch of Vikings who settled in the English north country and then had to learn English as adults (thank them for why we basically only have two or three verb forms per tense).
http://www.amazon.com/Our-Magnificent-Bastard-Tongue-English/dp/1592403956/ ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239043092&sr=8-1
Cappa for the win! McWhorter was exactly whom I was referencing.