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Nope.By a strict reading (of 3.5), a 1st level cleric (not multiclass) would get neither, since you must have proficiency to get the Weapon Focus feat, and pre-req for exotic weapon proficiency is Base Attack Bonus +1.
While being in the letter of the rules, that's hardly within the spirit of said rules. The PHB has no deities with exotic weapons as favored weapons so it wasn't a necessary clarification. I've never met a DM who enforced that rule in such a way.
Also, for Weapon Focus it's always been whenever a class grants a bonus feat the character may take it regardless of if he or she meets the pre-requisites. I can't think of any time that's not true in the core.
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The problem is all of the deities in the PHB favor weapons which are eather simple or martial; the rules say nothing about exotic weapons.
There's no exceptions made for exotic weapons. (Presumably the designers for 3.5 didn't want to encourage that.) So, your cleric will get BAB +1 at 2nd Level, and at 3rd Level will be able to spend a feat on Exotic Weapon Proficiency (at which point, he'll also get Weapon Focus).
THat seems pretty straight-forward. I don't see any reason to write in an exception to the rules.
Nope.By a strict reading (of 3.5), a 1st level cleric (not multiclass) would get neither, since you must have proficiency to get the Weapon Focus feat, and pre-req for exotic weapon proficiency is Base Attack Bonus +1.
Bonus feats don't have to meet their prequisites unless there are specific rules regarding said bonus feats involved. (See rules on the matter here. For further proof, see soulknife and 1st level weapon focus.) That said, if a deity has an exotic weapon as a favored weapon, a cleric taking war domain of said deity would get weapon focus but not exotic weapon proficiency. (Although in some cases, such as bastard sword or dwarven waraxe, martial weapon proficiency would still be granted.)
Bonus feats don't have to meet their prequisites unless there are specific rules regarding said bonus feats involved. (See rules on the matter here. For further proof, see soulknife and 1st level weapon focus.) That said, if a deity has an exotic weapon as a favored weapon, a cleric taking war domain of said deity would get weapon focus but not exotic weapon proficiency. (Although in some cases, such as bastard sword or dwarven waraxe, martial weapon proficiency would still be granted.)Nope.By a strict reading (of 3.5), a 1st level cleric (not multiclass) would get neither, since you must have proficiency to get the Weapon Focus feat, and pre-req for exotic weapon proficiency is Base Attack Bonus +1.
It will be interesting to see how this changes with the release of Pathfinder and Season 1. PFRPG simplifies the cleric's weapon proficiencies to: "Clerics are proficient with all simple weapons, with all types of armor, and with shields (except tower shields). Clerics are also proficient with the favored weapon of their deities."
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Hey there all,
This thread was pointed out to me for clarification.. so here I am.
In the existing 3.5 rules, with the War domain, you do not receive proficiency with your deity's weapon if it is exotic, but you do receive Weapon Focus with the weapon at 1st level, regardless of the weapon type (because it is a bonus feat, which does not need to meet prereqs).
In the Pathfinder RPG, clerics are proficient with their deity's weapon, regardless of its type and your chosen domains. Weapon Focus is no longer granted with the War domain.
Jason Bulmahn
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Paizo Publishing
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My memory might be faulty on this, but can't a sawtooth sabre be used as a longsword if you don't have Exotic Weapon Proficiency? If so, would it be too much of a stretch to assume that a Cleric of said deity would gain martial weapon proficiency with the sawtooth sabre, allowing him to use it as a longsword?
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My memory might be faulty on this, but can't a sawtooth sabre be used as a longsword if you don't have Exotic Weapon Proficiency? If so, would it be too much of a stretch to assume that a Cleric of said deity would gain martial weapon proficiency with the sawtooth sabre, allowing him to use it as a longsword?
This is, of course, a hypothetical question, as no deity has sawtooth sabre as his/her favored weapon.
This is, of course, a hypothetical question, as no deity has sawtooth sabre as his/her favored weapon.Yes, but Nitpick might be looking to create a minor deity that does such. Not to mention the Sonova sword, which is a more likely choice.
As a non-hypothetical, I am currently playing a halfling cleric who worships Sivanah. Her favored weapon is the Bladed Scarf (exotic, two-handed, reach). The cleric has the Magic domain, giving Hand of the Acolyte, and can thus attack with it using no hands, at a distance.
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My memory might be faulty on this, but can't a sawtooth sabre be used as a longsword if you don't have Exotic Weapon Proficiency? If so, would it be too much of a stretch to assume that a Cleric of said deity would gain martial weapon proficiency with the sawtooth sabre, allowing him to use it as a longsword?This is, of course, a hypothetical question, as no deity has sawtooth sabre as his/her favored weapon.
Achaekek (He who walks in blood) favored weapon is the sawtooth saber
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My memory might be faulty on this, but can't a sawtooth sabre be used as a longsword if you don't have Exotic Weapon Proficiency? If so, would it be too much of a stretch to assume that a Cleric of said deity would gain martial weapon proficiency with the sawtooth sabre, allowing him to use it as a longsword?
That seems perfectly reasonable to me. You get the Martial Weapon Proficiency in it, just not the Exotic.
Thanks for the important clarification Jason!
[And totally my bad on Weapon Focus - no cleric will ever meet the prereq of BAB +1 for that at first level, so proficiency shouldn't matter either.]
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This is, of course, a hypothetical question, as no deity has sawtooth sabre as his/her favored weapon.Yes, but Nitpick might be looking to create a minor deity that does such. Not to mention the Sonova sword, which is a more likely choice.
Name-calling aside, I was referring to Achaekek (He who walks in blood) who was mentioned in the original post and who to my understanding has the sawtooth sabre as his favored weapon and the War domain.
But you're right, the illegitimate sword and the dwarven waraxe would also be likely contenders as they can both be used as martial weapons in addition to being Exotic Weapons.
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Does "proficiency" for your deity's weapon , when its Unarmed Strike, count as having Improved Unarmed Strike? everyone is already considered proficient in unarmed strike, the problem is that it provokes an attack of opportunity when you do it, if you don't have the feat.
No... although everyone has proficiency in unarmed strike, the War domain does not give you Improved Unarmed Strike. It does still give you the +1 to hit though...
This is a good point though.. and one that I should look at for the RPG.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing