Question
With Beast form 3 you get more associated benefits from the forms you can take , would all the possible traits apply if you took a medium form instead of a huge form ?
e.g.
Beast shape I
climb 30 feet, fly 30feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, lowlight vision, and scent
Beast Shape III
burrow 30 feet, climb 90 feet, fly 90 feet (good maneuverability), swim 90 feet, blindsense 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, constrict, ferocity, improved grab, jet, poison, pounce, rake, trample, trip, and web.
If I take a medium sized critter and it had abilities listed under BS3 but not under BS1 would I still get access to them ?
Yes, you get access to the better qualities if you cast BSIII.
The spell description says:
"This spell functions as beast shape II, except that it also allows you to assume the form of a Diminutive or Huge creature of the animal type. This spell also allows you to take on the form of a Small or Medium creature of the magical beast type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: burrow 30 feet, climb 90 feet, fly 90 feet (good maneuverability), swim 90 feet, blindsense 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, constrict, ferocity, improved grab, jet, poison, pounce, rake, trample, trip, and web."
and, Beast Shape II (since it's mentioned) says:
"This spell functions as beast shape I, except that it also allows you to assume the form of a Tiny or Large creature of the animal type."
So, basically with BSIII you have access to the forms listed a)under Beast Shape III, b)under Beast Shape II, and c)under Beast Shape I. Since you are casting Beast Shape III, however, you have access to the powers listed under this specific spell (which are better than those under BSII and BSI).
Sweet thanks for that
so I assume that would also apply to elemental body so you could use a small elemental and gain benefits like immune to crits etc
or regen on small/med plants.
Wow thats a great pickup. Just checked the wording for Elemental shape and yes it would apply as it says "it also allows you to assume the form of...". So would assume plant shape does as well. But you just have to remember the size penalaties and damage outputs if you take a large size.
Hrmm seems I've found thanks to a friend a little ambiguity with the way wild shape works with elemental shape.
It says at 10th level you gain the ability to turn into a large elemental. So when turning into an elemental you the wildshape works as Elemental Shape III.
So where this is ambiguius is that doesn't clearly state that when you change into a Large elemental the wildshape works as Elemental Shape III, just when to turn into an elemental.
So if your wild shape for elemental now works as Elemental III, and you turn into a Medium Elemantal. What stat increase would you get? The ones for elemental III and not taking a large shape, or the ones for elemental II staying at medium shape?
I think this is simply a misprint. After you wrote this, I've taken a peek at the manual, and Form of the Dragon III and Plant Shape III have the same format problem (an Elemental Body IV, too).
I've just posted this in the Errata thread, giving you credit for finding it.
Cool thanks Wraith.
Which errata did you post in, here or spells, so I know where to keep an eye out for it.
Anyone want to give an idea of which way it might go though?
Cool thanks Wraith.
Which errata did you post in, here or spells, so I know where to keep an eye out for it.
Sorry, post-monster eat my post; I just posted it again here.
(post-monster lesson n°...:
never open 2 or more forum pages to check multiple posts while posting a thread; post-monster messes with the pages and posts your thread in a randomly chosen page)
Hrmm seems I've found thanks to a friend a little ambiguity with the way wild shape works with elemental shape.
It says at 10th level you gain the ability to turn into a large elemental. So when turning into an elemental you the wildshape works as Elemental Shape III.
So where this is ambiguius is that doesn't clearly state that when you change into a Large elemental the wildshape works as Elemental Shape III, just when to turn into an elemental.
So if your wild shape for elemental now works as Elemental III, and you turn into a Medium Elemantal. What stat increase would you get? The ones for elemental III and not taking a large shape, or the ones for elemental II staying at medium shape?
RAW I think the bonuses are size specific so a medium earth elemental always has the same stats.
personally I wouldn't mind some stat scaling just so our not always forced to pick the largest or smallest sizes you can take.
however if a medium has same stat buff as huge then the medium (minus the DC for whirlwind, burn etc) is actually better because it dosen't suffer from the negative size modifiers (although you don't gain the benefits of reach)
RAW I think the bonuses are size specific so a medium earth elemental always has the same stats.
personally I wouldn't mind some stat scaling just so our not always forced to pick the largest or smallest sizes you can take.
however if a medium has same stat buff as huge then the medium (minus the DC for whirlwind, burn etc) is actually better because it dosen't suffer from the negative size modifiers (although you don't gain the benefits of reach)
I finally got in touch with my DM and he ruled the stats bonus only applied to the size of elemental you are shaping to, which I am fine with :)
I finally got in touch with my DM and he ruled the stats bonus only applied to the size of elemental you are shaping to, which I am fine with :)RAW I think the bonuses are size specific so a medium earth elemental always has the same stats.
personally I wouldn't mind some stat scaling just so our not always forced to pick the largest or smallest sizes you can take.
however if a medium has same stat buff as huge then the medium (minus the DC for whirlwind, burn etc) is actually better because it dosen't suffer from the negative size modifiers (although you don't gain the benefits of reach)
heh figured as much :)