dude Palins an idiot.....Have you heard her speak?
She was a bad , bad, choice for running mate.
If I remember correctly wasn't there something in a Michael Moore movie about Bush's family having deals with the Bin Laden family such that when the 9/11 went down the bin laden family was flown out whilst all other air traffic was grounded?
Sorry but if this thread is accurate shouldn't she look before throwing mud?
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Well, Obama was the chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education initiative founded by William Ayers and which dispensed a substantial amount of money to some of Ayers projects. In addition, one of the first fundraising efforts for Obama was conducted at the home of Ayers and his wife.
William Ayers was involved with the Weathermen back in the 60s. Although he was never convicted of the crimes they committed (setting off bombs in D.C. and causing at least one death), Mr. Ayers has never denied his involvement, never expressed regret as to his actions, and has even stated that he doesn't think they set off enough bombs.
In and of itself, this is no smoking gun, but I can see how it does make some people uncomfortable, especially after the controversey involving Rev. Wright.
Well, Obama was the chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education initiative founded by William Ayers and which dispensed a substantial amount of money to some of Ayers projects. In addition, one of the first fundraising efforts for Obama was conducted at the home of Ayers and his wife.
William Ayers was involved with the Weathermen back in the 60s. Although he was never convicted of the crimes they committed (setting off bombs in D.C. and causing at least one death), Mr. Ayers has never denied his involvement, never expressed regret as to his actions, and has even stated that he doesn't think they set off enough bombs.
In and of itself, this is no smoking gun, but I can see how it does make some people uncomfortable, especially after the controversey involving Rev. Wright.
I may be dumb for saying this but why did he agree with their aims?
And who's Rev. Wright?
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Is this as nasty as The Republicans are responsible for 911 because every Republican Government since Regan financed the Taliban and did deals with Osama?
But that is not the same as being "friendly" with an admited terrorist, as Obama admits to being with William Ayers. And it should be noted that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton also funneled money to Afghan freedom fighters just like Reagan and Bush 41. So to say that it was only a Republican problem is not entirely accurate.
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If I remember correctly wasn't there something in a Michael Moore movie about Bush's family having deals with the Bin Laden family such that when the 9/11 went down the bin laden family was flown out whilst all other air traffic was grounded?
Sorry but if this thread is accurate shouldn't she look before throwing mud?
Citing Michael Moore as a credible source is like citeing Al Frankin, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. They are all pundits who's primary goal is to stir the pot and get people fired up against the other side. Neither side provides accurate information. Now it is true that President Bush did grant a dispinsation for the Ibn Laden family, at the request of the Saudi government, but it was because they were already in the air and almost out of American airspace when the rest of the flights were grounded. The other thing to remember is that these were very anti-Al Quida members of ibn-Laden's family, and at least two of his nephews, that I know of, have since joined the U.S. military and are currently in Iraq serving with distinction.
The scariest thing about William Ayers isn't that he was a wacked out radical during the 60's, working in a group that bombed the US and got awards from the Vietnam government. No, the scariest thing is he is an elementary education theorist and a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the honor of Distinguished Professor.
That is the really scary part that people that you'd expect to be a bit more intelligent are willing to let someone like that around people that are going to be future educators of the youngest of our citizens.
Citing Michael Moore as a credible source is like citeing Al Frankin, Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity. They are all pundits who's primary goal is to stir the pot and get people fired up against the other side. Neither side provides accurate information. Now it is true that President Bush did grant a dispinsation for the Ibn Laden family, at the request of the Saudi government, but it was because they were already in the air and almost out of American airspace when the rest of the flights were grounded. The other thing to remember is that these were very anti-Al Quida members of ibn-Laden's family, and at least two of his nephews, that I know of, have since joined the U.S. military and are currently in Iraq serving with distinction.If I remember correctly wasn't there something in a Michael Moore movie about Bush's family having deals with the Bin Laden family such that when the 9/11 went down the bin laden family was flown out whilst all other air traffic was grounded?
Sorry but if this thread is accurate shouldn't she look before throwing mud?
Thank you I have been told Michael moore is a liar but those scenes from Congress where they questioned Bush's legitimacy as president made me wonder about all of it.
IBT
Oh, and while I am here, I might as well mention how disappointed I am in both campaigns for going down this path.
IBT
Oh, and while I am here, I might as well mention how disappointed I am in both campaigns for going down this path.
Ditto. It's stupid and disgusting.
Ditto. It's stupid and disgusting.IBT
Oh, and while I am here, I might as well mention how disappointed I am in both campaigns for going down this path.
And PS, according to Wikipedia, the discussion in this thread mischaracterizes this Ayers dude.
And really, Obama was 8 years old (or thereabouts) when Ayers was being a crazy radical. Whether or not you believe in personal redemption, and whether or not you believe this Ayers person has become a more reasonable adult who regrets his past actions -- if not the desire to end the Vietnam War -- are you really going to attack Obama because they were on a few Illinois philanthropic boards together, had coffee, and an early Obama campaign accepted a $200 donation?
Look, I know for some of you Obama represents the pinnacle of antithesis to every principle you hold dear, and those are just the colored glasses you wear.
But really, this is just silly. Silly, desperate, and dirty politics.
Bartender, can I have a beer with this please?
<Sits back and watches.>
The stinky French kind.
Tres Bien!
This smells of desperate mudslinging...
The closer to November, the more desparate the slinging will get from both sides...sigh. (And we wonder why people get personal on messageboards and can't just discuss the issues.)
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This smells of desperate mudslinging...The closer to November, the more desparate the slinging will get from both sides...sigh. (And we wonder why people get personal on messageboards and can't just discuss the issues.)
In many cases it is because people become so emotionally invested in "my side, your side" that to make a negative comment about their chosen side's stance on the issues is seen as a personal attack on them. I have fallen into that trap once or twice myself, fortunately I have always managed to come to my senses. It's a lot like edition wars, if you like 4th edition and someone says something negative about it you feel compelled to defend it because they are not just commenting on the game, they are commenting on your judgement and you must defend yourself.
Edit: I had a student just recently who sat during the vice-presidential debate and wrote a list of all the things she disliked about Sarah Palin. I asked her why and she told me it was so she could remember to hate her come election day. That is the type of people you are dealing with.
In many cases it is because people become so emotionally invested in "my side, your side" that to make a negative comment about their chosen side's stance on the issues is seen as a personal attack on them. I have fallen into that trap once or twice myself, fortunately I have always managed to come to my senses. It's a lot like edition wars, if you like 4th edition and someone says something negative about it you feel compelled to defend it because they are not just commenting on the game, they are commenting on your judgement and you must defend yourself.This smells of desperate mudslinging...The closer to November, the more desparate the slinging will get from both sides...sigh. (And we wonder why people get personal on messageboards and can't just discuss the issues.)
Heh, heh...in my mind, I had secretly switched the topic from politics to edition wars when I went into parentheses. Sweep of the leaf to you, Mr. Fryer.
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Heh, heh...in my mind, I had secretly switched the topic from politics to edition wars when I went into parentheses. Sweep of the leaf to you, Mr. Fryer.In many cases it is because people become so emotionally invested in "my side, your side" that to make a negative comment about their chosen side's stance on the issues is seen as a personal attack on them. I have fallen into that trap once or twice myself, fortunately I have always managed to come to my senses. It's a lot like edition wars, if you like 4th edition and someone says something negative about it you feel compelled to defend it because they are not just commenting on the game, they are commenting on your judgement and you must defend yourself.This smells of desperate mudslinging...The closer to November, the more desparate the slinging will get from both sides...sigh. (And we wonder why people get personal on messageboards and can't just discuss the issues.)
I'm good at reading the minds of plants.
IBT
Oh, and while I am here, I might as well mention how disappointed I am in both campaigns for going down this path.
True, but I'm not surprised. It happens at every election.
What?! People who play 3.5 associate with known terrorist?!
bad thing
Hey now, it's greenMAN...
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I think it'd be funny as hell if both parties were disappointed to see that some lawyer named 'Sebastian' actually won the presidency lol..
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I don't know about anyone else, but i really hate the negative campaign ads.. from anyone, not just the party opposing my party of choice.. I feel disappointed when i see those kinds of ads..
Yes...the ability to change one's self from a red-headed turkey to a red-capped smvrf is amazing...
EDIT: Yeah, I agree with you, Jason...on your *second* statement...
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I don't know about anyone else, but i really hate the negative campaign ads.. from anyone, not just the party opposing my party of choice.. I feel disappointed when i see those kinds of ads..
I was actually pleased when I heard Joe Biden tell the press that he disapproved of the ad mocking McCain not being able to use a computer and saying it wouldn't have run if he had known about it. Every once in a while I see flashes of the old Joe Biden that I voted for in the primaries.
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Is this as nasty as The Republicans are responsible for 911 because every Republican Government since Regan financed the Taliban and did deals with Osama?But that is not the same as being "friendly" with an admited terrorist, as Obama admits to being with William Ayers. And it should be noted that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton also funneled money to Afghan freedom fighters just like Reagan and Bush 41. So to say that it was only a Republican problem is not entirely accurate.
More of a political problem than a Republican problem. Everyone's corrupt at the top.
BTW, several people in Europe have started to expect a convenient "terrorist attack" shortly before election. Conspiracy theories'r'us.
BTW, several people in Europe have started to expect a convenient "terrorist attack" shortly before election. Conspiracy theories'r'us.
Wow, now that´s far off the track. Some folks go raving mad about the election.
The mudslinging just serves to to show that both sides are running out of factual arguments to use in their campaigns - I guess because the politics of the new president will be near identical, never mind who wins. Much of the coming politics will be determined by the needs of the day, and those are big enough that the programmatical differences, which are - judging from afar, admittedly - not that big to start with, will disappear nearly completely. Much the same can be viewed in Germany as well.
Stefan
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IBT
Oh, and while I am here, I might as well mention how disappointed I am in both campaigns for going down this path.
I'm still waiting for a third party darkhorse so bat@$#% bonkers that no special interest will invest in him to come along for me to throw my support behind.
I'm going to be waiting a long time.
Every $%#@ing election year I come closer and closer to writing in "Batman" as my pick.
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I'm voting for the original Maverick.
And as for "associating" with known terrorists, its a load of bunk, in my opinion. I've been trying to stay away from the news, exactly because of the incessant mudslinging on both sides. I know who I'm voting for, I know why I'm voting for them, and I don't need the TV to get me even more angry about the whole bloody situation. Luckily, I've got Pathfinder and Asian History textbooks as a quick escape.
And yes, smurf.
I'll just point out, on the Ayers thing, that many Chicago conservatives and independents worked with Ayers on his philanthropic projects as well. Personally, I think it's a desperate attempt at character assassination. Combine this with the Rev. Wright thing and a Muslim name and it may be enough to raise some questions for some people.
And yes, McCain was never found guilty of wrongdoing in the Keeting 5 thing and even if he was involved, it was to a much lesser degree than the other four suspects. Both are pretty silly things to bring up, in my opinion.
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I'm voting for the original Maverick.
Bah! I laugh at your so-called "original Maverick"! Everybody knows that this is the original Maverick.
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I'm voting for the original Maverick.Bah! I laugh at your so-called "original Maverick"! Everybody knows that this is the original Maverick.
I see your original Maverick, and raise you this one.
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I see your original Maverick, and see you this one.I'm voting for the original Maverick.Bah! I laugh at your so-called "original Maverick"! Everybody knows that this is the original Maverick.
Huzzah! You win the thread.
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Don't know if this matters to anyone but I've met Dr. Ayers twice and he seemed like a very warm, humane man.But as far as I can tell, you're not a federal building.
Hehe.
This is true. But, I've done things in my youth I would not want to be considered representative of my character today. ... In fact, if I ever run for federal office, I'd like the years 1989-1995 to be considered 'off-limits' and 'unfair-when-taken-out-of-context'.
They say Sarah Palin is pretty charming.