And just how many buffs and wards do you think a wizard can raise in the middle of battle? Particularly with 3.5's joke of spells? Or you assume all wizards have some sort of "Sequencer Robe" that allows them to raise all their buff spells on a free action?
No. We assume, that all wizards have more than one brain cell. They have, you know, Intelligence as a primary ability. Therefore, whenever they need to raise spells in the middle of battle, they do so from Resilient Sphere, raised by their Contingency as a reaction to an ambush (the only scenario when the wizard might ever need to buff in combat). Note, that ambusing Overland Flying invisible (from a relatively cheap ring, if your DM does not allow non-core material) wizard is not exactly an easy feat. Otherwise their divination spells ensure that they pretty much never unprepared for battle. Then there is the fact, that the high-level wizard can retreat into an extradimensional space to rest and rememorize whenever he feels like to. Nothing forces him to stay in the real world for one round longer than duration of his buffs. Then there is the fact, that he can Greater Teleport to his enemies after confirming their location. While all buffs are still active. And this is really freaking basic, by the way. This is nothing compared to truly abusive stuff a wizard can pull by 17th level.
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No. We assume, that all wizards have more than one brain cell. They have, you know, Intelligence as a primary ability. Therefore, whenever they need to raise spells in the middle of battle, they do so from Resilient Sphere, raised by their Contingency as a reaction to an ambush (the only scenario when the wizard might ever need to buff in combat).
Resilient sphere does not affect your person and so cannot be cast with contingency.
Assuming resilient sphere is cast for buffing, it must be dismissed, meaning the ambushers are sitting around, waiting for it to go down, so they can attack with readied actions.And we assume this attacking party has no disintegrate or dispel magic available.
As for divination spells, I have never seen any spell that gives automatic and complete identification of future enemies, or specific and detailed identification of their capabilities, the specific moment they will attack, or the exact manner in which they will attack. They can keep you from being flat-footed (if you are 17th level or higher, and for no more than 3 hours and 20 minutes of any particular day per casting of a 9th level spell), give you an awesome bonus to one roll (if you are 15th level or higher), spy out the area around you (if you are 15th level, can beat the rogue's Hide check, and are not fatally delayed watching them replay 10 hours of nothing for 10 rounds until they get to the point when they spot the ambusher), detect all magic within 120 feet (if you are 13th level or higher, for up to 20 minutes per day per 7th level spell, or 40 minutes per day per 8th level spell), gives you some information about someone (if you are 13th level, can make what may be a DC 30 caster level check, and can burn 100 xp every time you feel the need to cast it), or increasingly less spectacular benefits.
Finally, there is a spell a 7th level character can cast that can in fact force any high level wizard to stay in the real world for 7 minutes or more over the duration of his buffs.
Resilient sphere does not affect your person and so cannot be cast with contingency.
Sure it can, because it, you know, does affect a creature, in this case, your person, by placing it into an invulnerable sphere centered on that creature and Contingency does not specify range as "Personal".
Assuming resilient sphere is cast for buffing, it must be dismissed, meaning the ambushers are sitting around, waiting for it to go down, so they can attack with readied actions.
It is cast from Contingency to avoid a succesful amnush, see above. If you have any reason to suspect, that you cannot handle the now-revealed attacker (and your buddies, CoDzilla and blender rogue, aren't busy reducing him to mincemeat, maybe because they have just been killed by whatever ambushed you, maybe because you're loner), you can just go ethereal on your first action, then dispel the sphere and quickened-teleport the hell away (if your DM forbids teleportation from it).
And we assume this attacking party has no disintegrate or dispel magic available.
Then they are spellcasters, and pretty kickass ones (UMDers have practically no chance to both negate the sphere and do something to you, before you get away). Yeah a spellcaster can be kiiled by a better spellcaster. Now tell us something we don't know.
As for divination spells, I have never seen any spell that gives automatic and complete identification of future enemies, or specific and detailed identification of their capabilities, the specific moment they will attack, or the exact manner in which they will attack.
Strawman much? Anyway, Scrying alone owns everything that is revealed yourself as your enemy and is not better caster than you. Even if the victim notices, it cannot really do shit, because it cannot stay on alert against every conceivable form of assault 24/7, and you don't have to hurry. For party adventuring, Contact Other Plane provides general ideas about enemy forces, Prying Eyes detect everything that is not a dedicated ambusher, already lying in wait (you'll be surprised how rare they are in most adventures), Scrying/Clairvoyance can be used to double-check sensitive spots. Oh, and you have easy summons to trigger traps as well as calling for bad-ass bodyguards. You're not at serious risk of running out of spells, because scrolls are dirt-cheap, and you have quite a lot of said spells even without them.
Finally, there is a spell a 7th level character can cast that can in fact force any high level wizard to stay in the real world for 7 minutes or more over the duration of his buffs.
Yeah a spellcaster can be kiiled by a better spellcaster (you pretty much must be a better spellcaster to catch a wizard in the position of weakness and get past its defences that block the line of effect, including the above-mentioned Spehere and disable his quite-probable Rod of Absorbtion). Now, again, tell us something we don't know.
In short, you pretty much need a plot reason for a spellcaster to stand and fight, otherwise a competent high-level wizard is rather unlikely to be forced to do so. Even if he does not use the real cheese.
And last, but not least: while it is not quite possible to destroy the caster that just has the above-mentioned tricks, everyting that can destroy him, will destroy any core melee much, much harder. Most of them aren't any good at surviving ambushes, and their ability to counter any sort of attack that is not melee is way more limited.
It seems to me that the ability to insult people who might crush you like a bug in real life is a big part of the attraction, for some individuals.You reckon? ;)
Me, I'd just like a place where ideas and s#~@ can get exchanged, and you don't have to deal with cybertosterone and tedious mouthduels.
Just another one of your eccentricities...
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Sure it can, because it, you know, does affect a creature, in this case, your person, by placing it into an invulnerable sphere centered on that creature and Contingency does not specify range as "Personal".
It does not have to specify that as a range. It says it has to affect you personally. Resilient sphere does not. The effect is in an area, not on a creature. It cannot be used with contingency.
It is cast from Contingency to avoid a succesful amnush, see above. If you have any reason to suspect, that you cannot handle the now-revealed attacker (and your buddies, CoDzilla and blender rogue, aren't busy reducing him to mincemeat, maybe because they have just been killed by whatever ambushed you, maybe because you're loner), you can just go ethereal on your first action, then dispel the sphere and quickened-teleport the hell away (if your DM forbids teleportation from it).
Above is against the rules.
If you leave then you have lost the encounter.And that assumes the initial attack did not carry an affect that blocks extra-dimensional travel.
Then they are spellcasters, and pretty kickass ones (UMDers have practically no chance to both negate the sphere and do something to you, before you get away). Yeah a spellcaster can be kiiled by a better spellcaster. Now tell us something we don't know.
Not at all. They can easily be of lower level and still be able to use disintegrate or roll well on dispel magic. So a spellcaster can have his protections broken by a worse spellcaster.
Strawman much?
No, I just play by the rules.
Scrying does not give any initial information about the target. You cannot randomly scry on "the guy who will attack me next".Yeah a spellcaster can be kiiled by a better spellcaster (you pretty much must be a better spellcaster to catch a wizard in the position of weakness and get past its defences that block the line of effect, including the above-mentioned Spehere and disable his quite-probable Rod of Absorbtion). Now, again, tell us something we don't know.
Yet again, this is a spellcaster of lower level. A 7th level wizard can block any dimensional travel by a 20th level wizard.
Even assuming you break the rules and use the resilient sphere, it does not activate until after the initial spell has hit and taken effect.A rod of absorbtion is nice, but not an automatic possession of every character over a particular level.
In short, you pretty much need a plot reason for a spellcaster to stand and fight, otherwise a competent high-level wizard is rather unlikely to be forced to do so. Even if he does not use the real cheese.
No, you just need the rules, as written.
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1. Too Generic
The fighter has to be generic, so the class can be fit into a range of cultures. Not every culture has knights or swashbucklers, but the majority do have fighters (soldiers, warriors etc). If you want to make the fighter more specific, change the name for your campaign setting.
If you want your fighter to be a knight, take the appropriate feats for combat (e.g. mounted combat). If you want your fighter to be an archer take the archery feats. The great strength of the class is that it is generic and gains access to a wide range of feats.
2. Too Weak
I have never found the fighter class to be weak. In fact, the large number of feats give an excellent range of options that can be customised. Too be honest, if you think the fighter is weak, then your game is way over powered or your not approaching the class right.
You shouldn't feel a need to encourage players to take the other base classes (e.g. duskblade, knight, swashbuckler etc) over the fighter. The knight class is a terrible option and doesn't really allow a player to experience what it meant to be a knight. Not all knights were perfect paragons of chivalry. The knight class is way to restrictive and not that realistic.
3. The Name
A fighter is not limited to fighting. He could also be a blacksmith, a politicians, even a noble. His primary skill is war, but it would not be his everyday bread and butter. Most professional soldiers do not experience constant combat, they have other skills and training as well. The Roman legioneer is a good example.
Again, change the name. You don't have to call the class "fighter", adapt it for your campaign.
You know, Samuel Weiss, I can answer, because your post literally piles incorrect assumptions and invalid rules interpretations one on another, but why bother, if you so blatantly discarded any pretense of making an actual argument by insisting on obviously invalid interpretation, even after being corrected? Anyone can check SRD and see that Resilient Sphere is "Effect" (that affects a target creature and this, of course, can include the caster), not "Area". And that was not changed in PBeta.
As an aside, here's a few examples of just what high-level spellcasters can do, when they really pull out all the stops, instead of using only obvious and relatively sane options. Some of them are strictly core:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96662
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You know, Samuel Weiss, I can answer, because your post literally piles incorrect assumptions and invalid rules interpretations one on another, but why bother, if you so blatantly discarded any pretense of making an actual argument by insisting on obviously invalid interpretation, even after being corrected? Anyone can check SRD and see that Resilient Sphere is "Effect" (that affects a target creature and this, of course, can include the caster), not "Area". And that was not changed in PBeta.
You must have a different SRD than I do:
"Effect: Some spells create or summon things rather than affecting things that are already present.
You must designate the location where these things are to appear, either by seeing it or defining it. Range determines how far away an effect can appear, but if the effect is mobile it can move regardless of the spell’s range."
That is absolutely different from "Target or Targets", which is a separate entry.
You might also consider this:
"Subjects, Effects, and Areas: If the spell affects creatures directly the result travels with the subjects for the spell’s duration. If the spell creates an effect, the effect lasts for the duration. The effect might move or remain still. Such an effect can be destroyed prior to when its duration ends. If the spell affects an area then the spell stays with that area for its duration.
Creatures become subject to the spell when they enter the area and are no longer subject to it when they leave."
"Effect: Some spells create or summon things rather than affecting things that are already present.
You must designate the location where these things are to appear, either by seeing it or defining it. Range determines how far away an effect can appear, but if the effect is mobile it can move regardless of the spell’s range."That is absolutely different from "Target or Targets", which is a separate entry.
However, Contingency does not restrict itself to spells that define "target or targets". It says "The spell to be brought into effect by the contingency must be one that affects your person". Doesn't Resilient Sphere satifsy the condition of affecting caster's person, considering, that its effect is "globe of shimmering force encloses a creature", and said creature can be the caster, and it cannot be cast in empty space, like Walls of, and it even gives a personal saving throw, wheh used offensively? Sure it does. You have better case arguing, that Globe of Invulnerability cannot be contingencied.
You might also consider this:
"Subjects, Effects, and Areas: If the spell affects creatures directly the result travels with the subjects for the spell’s duration. If the spell creates an effect, the effect lasts for the duration. The effect might move or remain still. Such an effect can be destroyed prior to when its duration ends. If the spell affects an area then the spell stays with that area for its duration.
Creatures become subject to the spell when they enter the area and are no longer subject to it when they leave."
You might also consider the spells like Imprisonment, that affect creatures directly, but deny movement and make them immovable by outside force. Just like RS.
Also note, that Contingency can interrupt the attack before it lands. Also note, that Resilient Sphere is only really preferable to teleport home to a mage of 12-14 level or one that travels with the party. Really paranoid high-level loners can be just whisked away to their secret lair whenever they're targeted by any hostile effect they're not aware of: there is no such thing as "losing the encounter" by the rules, so they can just try to ger their XP and loot another day. Those more willing to take risks, say, PC wizards, can use Blink instead and still have better chance of ignoring whatever crap is thrown at them than any core melee. They also still can buff themselves and their buddies head to toes each morning and return to their Magnificient Mansions whenever buffs start to expire.
I have never found the fighter class to be weak. In fact, the large number of feats give an excellent range of options that can be customised. Too be honest, if you think the fighter is weak, then your game is way over powered or your not approaching the class right.
If by "way overpowered," you mean "extends above 9th level," then we're in perfect agreement. Fighters are great from 1st-4th level or so; much better than almost anyone else except barbarians. 5th-10th they're starting to get a little out of their element, but are still usually valuable, viable characters. 11th+ level, and there's absolutely nothing they can do that the spellcasters can't do better.
However, Contingency does not restrict itself to spells that define "target or targets". It says "The spell to be brought into effect by the contingency must be one that affects your person". Doesn't Resilient Sphere satifsy the condition of affecting caster's person, considering, that its effect is "globe of shimmering force encloses a creature", and said creature can be the caster, and it cannot be cast in empty space, like Walls of, and it even gives a personal saving throw, wheh used offensively? Sure it does. You have better case arguing, that Globe of Invulnerability cannot be contingencied."Effect: Some spells create or summon things rather than affecting things that are already present.
You must designate the location where these things are to appear, either by seeing it or defining it. Range determines how far away an effect can appear, but if the effect is mobile it can move regardless of the spell’s range."That is absolutely different from "Target or Targets", which is a separate entry.
I think your interpretation of "affects your person" is erroneous. The sphere simply occupies a space, it only affects someone when that someone attempts to interact with it. Whether you are inside or outside of the sphere is irrelevant, as it does not directly affect you. It is analogous to saying a tree in the forest affects your person, because it can block your movement.
The only tractable interpretation of "affects your person" is to mean something that directly acts upon you, such as Mage Armor, Teleport, Blink, etc.
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I think your interpretation of "affects your person" is erroneous. The sphere simply occupies a space, it only affects someone when that someone attempts to interact with it. Whether you are inside or outside of the sphere is irrelevant, as it does not directly affect you. It is analogous to saying a tree in the forest affects your person, because it can block your movement.
The only tractable interpretation of "affects your person" is to mean something that directly acts upon you, such as Mage Armor, Teleport, Blink, etc.
Exactly.
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i more than fair to sacrifice a high level slot to TOTALLY NEUTRALIZE an equal or higher CR. you dont have to kill a foe to defeat him. you can also demoralized him by making all his feeble attempts at stopping you meaningless. also it should be noted that your hippogriff still has horrible hitpoints and bad saves at high levels, meaning youll probably take full damage from the damage spells ( if the wizards dumb enough to have them) and then fall for some more damage ( hope you got extra mounts) that why i only play mounted paladins, its just not useful as anything else because them mounts dont last.
what is trip/sunder/disarm/bullrush/feint going to do to the giant monsters such as Dragons? nothing at all but waste your round. so if the purview of the Fighter is to take on other low level Fighters, then its doing its job well.
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A great cleaving fighter with a two-handed weapon has done an astounding job of emulating a fireball in game's I've played. (It's also a lot more fun, shifting around to get that perfect chain lined up...)
Except fireball isn't the valuable spell it was in earlier editions...
You later mention Power Attack and Combat Expertise. You are aware that they're both pretty much nerfed in PFRPG? As an aside, Mattastrophic and Jess Door make an extremely persuasive case that they should both be combat options open to all, rather than feats (much less nerfed feats).
Why is it that people don't realize that to have all of those spells the wizard would have had to spend a lot of his gold on buying scrolls and writing them to a book. Wizards generally don't have as much gold expended in magic items as a fighter would.
And if you say they craft magic items then you also need to realize they wouldn't have as many metamagic feats.
A wizard can't be perfect just like a fighter cant be.
Your reasons against a fighter defeating a wizard are as moot as your reasons that the fighter is bad.
Back to the OP, the fighter can be balanced well by letting one make all iterative attacks at full attack bonus instead of with penalties. You can go further and automatically grant the weapon specialization, weapon focus, and whirlwind attack trees for free.
And don't forget to let them find decent weapons and armor.
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I am not sure why people feel the fighter sucks. They get feats and if used correctly make fighters tough. What does a wizard with 4 metoer storms say when a warrior has him grappled?
Silent Dimension Door, Quickened Meteor Swarm. Or just Quicken Maze to take the fighter out of battle completely.
Circumstances always factor in, so it really just depends on how each is being played. The problem with the fighter is his utter dependance on his equipment.
toooooo much suckage..... oooooooooh....
Likewise the dragon - breath weapons only extend out about 140 feet, well outside arrow range. Bard showed how to do it - if you want to kill a dragon like Smaug, use an arrow. It might take forever, but the numbers are on your side. The dragon's faster than the pegasus, but the pegasus is more maneuverable - keep drawing angles, and you can keep him at bay. Eventually, the dragon goes down.
Do you realize, that unless you have detection magic the first sign of DnD dragon's attack often is a breath weapon to your face, cause invisibility is totally available to almost every adult dragon and, better yet, about half of them have burrow speed and can surprise you from underground or escape there, if anything goes wrong? That's just for starters, before we use any tricks from supplements. Smaug isn't even a true dragon by 3.X standards.
More to the point, a pegasus costs 3,000 gold pieces. That's roughly the starting gold for a 4th level fighter. Can you supply a CR 4, or 4th level wizard, who can respond to a pegasus-mounted archer? Or is this just an "archmages beat everything" argument?
First, you can buy stuff that costs more thah half your WBL at character creation. So wait for 5th level. Second, yes I can. A 4th level vanilla wizard that is adventuring without a party sees the threat he cannot immediately counter and casts, again, invisibility. Good luck finding him. A 5th level wizard can then try to sneak up on you in the air. And a 5th level wizard that is anywhere near geared towards such encounters can just shoot pegasus to death from his own bow, because his defences are way superior (protection vs. arrows + mirror image, with both sides hitting mostly on natural 20s that will be enough counter archer's Rapid Shot).
Why is it that people don't realize that to have all of those spells the wizard would have had to spend a lot of his gold on buying scrolls and writing them to a book. Wizards generally don't have as much gold expended in magic items as a fighter would.
2 spells/level for free (3 spells/level if you prefer elven racial levels to specialization). Looted spellbooks. The fact that the wizard can craft for himself. The fact that wizards don't really need items as much.
Your reasons against a fighter defeating a wizard are as moot as your reasons that the fighter is bad.
Fighter is bad because he falls behind level-appropriate opponents, unless casters buff him. And even then, unless the build is top-notch.
I think your interpretation of "affects your person" is erroneous. The sphere simply occupies a space, it only affects someone when that someone attempts to interact with it. Whether you are inside or outside of the sphere is irrelevant, as it does not directly affect you. It is analogous to saying a tree in the forest affects your person, because it can block your movement.
The only tractable interpretation of "affects your person" is to mean something that directly acts upon you, such as Mage Armor, Teleport, Blink, etc.
As you wish. Then a lone wizard teleports to safety, a party wizard suddenly gets a spell that drastically increases his chances of survival. Fighter, in the same situation, does nothing, except sucking up attacks (also note, that among the base classes, the fighter is probably the least likely to notice ambush in time).
You cannot quicken either of these spells - quickening adds four levels to each spell, making them thirteenth and twelfth level spells. (Greater rod of quickening, you say? Excellent! I'll take 170,000 gp of equipment too... a ring of spell storing (anti-magic field) sounds good...)
Wizards totally have multiple ways to reduce metamagic costs (even more in Pathfinder). Except they do not use them on weak stuff like Meteor Swarms. If we talk about damage, how about no-save, no-SR Maximized, Empowered, Repeated (or Twin, Maximized, for better chance to deal damage AND disable the victim) Orb of Fire from 9th level slot, even before PrCs, or Pathfinder generalists, or metamagic rods?
Casting an anti-magic field is nothing an exotic form of conceding against 17-th level spellsaster. Because you just have disabled your equipment, therefore you're just chew toy for any reasonably tough monster. And full spellcasters can summon them. Alot.More to the point, the fighter can grapple at every level. What's the fourth-level wizard's response?
Win initiative (wizard's is far better), cast Glitterdust, shoot the fighter from safe distance. Use Expeditions Retreat, do not allow fighter to close. Attack from Invisibility. Specialize on grapple-enhancing spells and tear the fighter a new one in grapple. (Not optimal against normal foes, great for humiliation purposes.)
you right about the latter. They seem dependant upon their gear at higher levels, but so are wizards with arcane bonds. Break their item they have trouble casting spells. Steal their spellbook and they are screwed. The only class that seems to not be dependant on gear is the monk.
The monk is the most gear-dependent class in the game %). Because the gear is the only way to somewhat compensate their inherent suckage. Also, care to explain, how exactly you plan to steal archmage's spellbook?
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You cannot quicken either of these spells - quickening adds four levels to each spell, making them thirteenth and twelfth level spells. (Greater rod of quickening, you say? Excellent! I'll take 170,000 gp of equipment too... a ring of spell storing (anti-magic field) sounds good...)
More to the point, the fighter can grapple at every level. What's the fourth-level wizard's response? Or again, is this just an "archmages beat everything" argument?
I'm sorry, you were the one to mention 4 9th level spell slots. Merely responding to the field you set out.
And yes, he can Sudden Quicken one of those spells once per day.
More of a 'high/epic level play is ridiculous' argument.
Swing and a miss with all respect. you strip away all gear from every class and the monk owns.
No without gear the monk is nothing. For that matter, he can't do much with gear, too, unless he is thoroughly optimized, and the rest of the party is not. Druid can own without gear, because druids are just that awesome. Sorcerer with Eschew Components feat can own without gear, because this situation plays to his schtick. Monk cannot hold a candle to them.
The point is not that a wizard expecting to fight a fighter chooses the terms and prepares the perfect combination of spells. Like that fella said which I agree with completely, often combat depends on the circumstances.
Exactly. That's another reason why fighter sucks. He cannot adapt to cicumstances. If the situation does not favor him, he's automatically out of luck. While full casters can react to wide range of circumstances just from their standard lists ("fighting a melee brute" is one of these circumstances, so destroying fighter does not requiring choosing or preparing anything, although I admit that before level 7 success is not completely assured) and can rebuild themselves according to the task every morning.
The fighter is a great class that is simple to start if he is finessed he can be a bruttle machine of melee.
Maybe you wanted to say "brittle"? Well, yes, that actually is a correct description %).
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I am not sure why people feel the fighter sucks. They get feats and if used correctly make fighters tough. What does a wizard with 4 metoer storms say when a warrior has him grappled?
Seriously, any wizard that can cast "four meteor swarms" must have been asleep if he let a fighter grapple him. The circumstances that would allow any melee character to get close enough to a wizard to affect his person from close range come up maybe once in a blue moon. I'm talking "total suprise, just rounded a corner, was busy looking at his shoes" kind of rare.
And what feat allows fighters to fly?
Furthermore, with a base "6" in will at 20th level, even with "owl's wisdom", most fighters are going to fail the mind affect spell, and, depending on the spell, wind up using all those feats on their own party.
Lastly, how many wizards do parties run into solo? What, high level spell slingers can't afford to hire high level meat shields anymore?
Melee characters rock the house at low levels, kinda hold their own at mid levels, and are glorified valets at high levels. Just the way the system works.
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one thing that need to be stated is that the game is not balanced, with a rolling stat method you could have one barbarian with 14str 10dex 11con 9int 11wis 10cha and another party member who is also a barbarian with a 20str 16dex 18con 14int 16wis 15CHA.....and they are both the same CR. so dont think that by it being stated in the rules that a 15 level Fighter is the same CR as a 15 level Wizard, that its true.
it may be true that if you have two totally inept players make a Fighter and a wizard, the newb playing the Fighter has a better chance of being at least a little useful. even if he picks endurance, and run as his two first level feats he should have the presence of mind to put good stats into physicals. and the newb wizard might memorize a magic missile and cast it at the full hitpoint enemy. but anyone playing the game for a while knows to throw your will save spells at melee characters. tactically slow people will definitely make the wizard look weaker. but anyone who pays attention to how the mechanics work soon realize that spellcasters are the class for the elite (i prefer playing nonspellcasters and trying to make them on par with spellcasters, THAT is one Motherf&^%ing hard game!)
you should see my latest build, feral/halfogre/lupin paladin with mageslayer/blind fighting/pierce magical concealment/serenity. ive got a +13 to fort and a +14 to Will as a "2nd" level character. i just need to figure a way to get my touch ac up so im not nerfed my touch attacks (flying is also somewhat of a problem) i tried building it as a fighter, but the will save was unrepairable
pierce magical concealment/serenity
Can you give me a heads-up on where to look these up? I've wanted feats like that for some time.