Commence Nerd Rage: Picard Vs. Kirk


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I will fire the openning salvo. I always prefered Kirk to Picard. Kirk represented the frontier lifestyle where people had to fend for themselves and make decisions on their own. He represented the wild west. Picard was much more nuanced and cerebral in his problem solving. He consulted Starfleet Command before he acted, where Kirk would send them a message and then jump in guns blazing. Picard represented the Cold War which I lived in. While I find I am more like Picard, I feel that the world has lost something when there is no longer a place for men like James T. Kirk.

Scarab Sages

You mean there's people who prefer Picard?

Weird.

;)


Gonna have to say Picard myself. Kirk is fun and all but I find Picard a much more interesting and deep character then kirk.

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Janeway.


well I find janway and sisko hell even archer more interesting then kirk.

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Sisko, but sice he's not a choice...Picard

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Woo! Sisko!

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Sisko.

Especially when choosing between Kirk and Picard, the answer is overwhelmingly Sisko.


Sisko for the win!

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Sheridan.


Malcolm Reynolds

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Brian Dunnell wrote:
Malcolm Reynolds

Well everyone knows that! How are ya gonna stir up any controversy like that? This thread is about nerd rage! ;-P


Craig Shackleton wrote:
Brian Dunnell wrote:
Malcolm Reynolds
Well everyone knows that! How are ya gonna stir up any controversy like that? This thread is about nerd rage! ;-P

True that. Picard then. Kirk would pee in his pants if he faced the Borg.

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Brian Dunnell wrote:
Malcolm Reynolds

Cam Mitchell

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Han shot first!

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Gene wrote:
Han shot first!

Preach it brother. Greedo died like a chump.

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David Fryer wrote:
Gene wrote:
Han shot first!
Preach it brother. Greedo died like a chump.

Didn't even see it comin'. :D

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Gene wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Gene wrote:
Han shot first!
Preach it brother. Greedo died like a chump.
Didn't even see it comin'. :D

Have you read Tales From Mos Eisley Cantenna? The Greedo side of this story is hilarious.

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David Fryer wrote:
Have you read Tales From Mos Eisley Cantenna? The Greedo side of this story is hilarious.

I've actually not read any of the novels (heresy I know), I've only seen the movies. A friend of mine has most of them, though, and he's offered to let me read through 'em at a whim, so hopefully I'll get up to date on all the happenings. I do look forward to reading about Jason Solo and his eventual fall, though.

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Gene wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Have you read Tales From Mos Eisley Cantenna? The Greedo side of this story is hilarious.
I've actually not read any of the novels (heresy I know), I've only seen the movies. A friend of mine has most of them, though, and he's offered to let me read through 'em at a whim, so hopefully I'll get up to date on all the happenings. I do look forward to reading about Jason Solo and his eventual fall, though.

Well if you want to know what happens, it just a click away.

Spoiler:
Turns out that some other Rodian had put a contract on Greedo's family. Some guys who were acting as his bounty hunter mentor's allowed him to ttake first crack at Han because when Greedo was a kid Han schooled him and then took his vest (the one Han wears now.) They knew Greedo would shoot his mouth off and Han would shoot him stone cold dead, then they collected the bounty. It was one of those preferably dead type of bounties.
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David Fryer wrote:
Well if you want to know what happens, it just a click away. ** spoiler omitted **

*laughs*

Oh the irony. Such is Greedo's luck, I suppose. Thanks for that, I'm really going to have to start reading those books. Any recommendation on where to start?

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Gene wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Well if you want to know what happens, it just a click away. ** spoiler omitted **

*laughs*

Oh the irony. Such is Greedo's luck, I suppose. Thanks for that, I'm really going to have to start reading those books. Any recommendation on where to start?

The anthologies are actually the best, and they're chock full of stories with connections to the original three films. Very well written, too.

Nerd answer--

Kirk for the fight!

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Kirk.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Well, since we've already deviated, my vote goes to John Crichton.

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David Fryer wrote:
Gene wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Gene wrote:
Han shot first!
Preach it brother. Greedo died like a chump.
Didn't even see it comin'. :D
Have you read Tales From Mos Eisley Cantenna? The Greedo side of this story is hilarious.

I like the "snot" guy too.

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Gene wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Well if you want to know what happens, it just a click away. ** spoiler omitted **

*laughs*

Oh the irony. Such is Greedo's luck, I suppose. Thanks for that, I'm really going to have to start reading those books. Any recommendation on where to start?

Depends, as has already been pointed out the anthologies are a great place to start. I would also recomend most of the stuff by Stackpole, especially I, Jedi, and anything by Aaron Alston, especially the Wraith Squadren series. I've never laughed so hard at Star wars in my life. The Thrawn Trilogy is also really good, as is Legacy of the Force. They sort of form bookends in a way.

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Nick Logue.

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Nicolas Logue wrote:
Nick Logue.

Win

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Thanks for the book recommendations folks, I'll be sure to get hold of my buddy and see if he'll let me borrow them (assuming he has them - which I figure he does).

Nicolas Logue wrote:
Nick Logue.

He's like a Pokémon!

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Nicolas Logue wrote:
Nick Logue.

What does the Mirror Mirror Logue have dat could compete wit da handlebar?


River Tam!

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Gene wrote:

Thanks for the book recommendations folks, I'll be sure to get hold of my buddy and see if he'll let me borrow them (assuming he has them - which I figure he does).

Nicolas Logue wrote:
Nick Logue.
He's like a Pokémon!

I choose you NICK!


Kirk in a fistfight.

Picard in a game of chess.

Kirk is the guy you want to hang around with on Saturday night.

Picard is the guy you want to make you a souffle'.

Kirk gets my vote.

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d13 wrote:

Kirk in a fistfight.

Picard in a game of chess.

Kirk is the guy you want to hang around with on Saturday night.

Picard is the guy you want to make you a souffle'.

Kirk gets my vote.

By those standards, I should be the Captain of the Enterprise.

I still say Kirk, though.


Both.

To elaborate on d13's point, Kirk's the kind of guy you would go to a seedy bar with. If you get into a fight, he'll help you keep from getting killed by some angry guy with a disruptor. Besides, enough charm would probably rub off on you that you could pick up the third hottest chick in the place.

On the other hand, Picard is the kind of guy you'd bring with you to a high-class soiree. He's got enough charisma and diplomatic savvy to prevent any social blunders, and he's smart enough to actually know what everyone is talking about.

In summery, they're both entertaining captains from a great series.

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Heathansson wrote:
d13 wrote:

Kirk in a fistfight.

Picard in a game of chess.

Kirk is the guy you want to hang around with on Saturday night.

Picard is the guy you want to make you a souffle'.

Kirk gets my vote.

By those standards, I should be the Captain of the Enterprise.

I still say Kirk, though.

Great, just what we need, a dog soldier running the flagship of the fleet. I always liked Stargate's idea of putting the Air Force in charge of all space based warships.

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While I like Mal and John Crichton and Kirk and Sisko, Zoe and Aeryn Sun and K'ehlar and Jadzia Dax would kick all of their butts.


While you gotta give Picard the cerebral end of the award, as a sheer man's Kirk wins hands down: He conquered space, he conquered the Klingons and he conquered anything with a XX chromosome that he encountered.

Oh, and contrary to common belief, Kirk did not die in a rock fall like a chump. He was mysteriously teleported away to the Star Wars galaxy where he spend the remainder of his days on a small planet populated exclusively by Twi’lek dancing girls.

…what? It could happen!

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Oh Kirk and Picard are great and all, but they're no Wesley Crusher.

...

Right?

Spoiler:
Cuz, like, he can travel through time and stuff... I think? That's pretty neat, guys! And he was in Stand By Me!


David Fryer wrote:
I will fire the openning salvo. I always prefered Kirk to Picard. Kirk represented the frontier lifestyle where people had to fend for themselves and make decisions on their own. He represented the wild west. Picard was much more nuanced and cerebral in his problem solving. He consulted Starfleet Command before he acted, where Kirk would send them a message and then jump in guns blazing. Picard represented the Cold War which I lived in. While I find I am more like Picard, I feel that the world has lost something when there is no longer a place for men like James T. Kirk.

Kirk.

I *should* like Picard better...but Kirk.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Why John Crichton is the (pardon my pun) bomb:

Crichton (loaded with a biometric thermonuclear device): "My heart stops...we all go boom. My heart speeds up, it's boom again. Too hot, too cold, too happy, too sad, hungry, bored...it's John Lee Hooker time. Boom, boom, boom. (to War Minister Ahkna) And you try your little psychic trick...kaboom. And we're all pushin' up day-glo daisies."

Scarab Sages

I used to like Picard, because I thought he was more intellectual.

But the older I get, the more I realize Kirk is just as intellectual, and probably more clever - he just doesn't need to show it off.

Kirk.

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Nameless wrote:

Oh Kirk and Picard are great and all, but they're no Wesley Crusher.

...

Right?

** spoiler omitted **

Wesley Crusher... worst character EVER. And what flavour of crack were those hacks smoking when they wrote what happened to him at the end? Sweet Jebus.

Anyway, to add to the nerdiness, I will rank the captains, my favourite to least favourite. :)

Sisko
Picard
Kirk
(this is where I actually stop liking Star Trek series')
Archer
Janeway

Captain Mrs. Columbo barely qualifies. She should have been spaced in episode one and Chakotay would have made an awesome captain. They'd have been home in a week. ("What do you mean all you had to do was sleep with Q and we would be home... and you said NO?" as he proceeds to beat her to death with Kes's S&M boots)


Kirk all the way, baby. Nobody else comes close.

OK, Sisko might. But Kirk's still the Man.


Kirk.

P.S. Greedo shot first.


Kirk is way better than Picard. Picard could only defeat the main bad guy whose name I can't remember when Kirk helped him in Star Trek Generations.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Just sayin' fellas, ladies like Picard.


Horace is sooooo much better than Juvenal it isn't even funny. Except I'm laughing.


David Fryer wrote:
I will fire the openning salvo. I always prefered Kirk to Picard. Kirk represented the frontier lifestyle where people had to fend for themselves and make decisions on their own. He represented the wild west. Picard was much more nuanced and cerebral in his problem solving. He consulted Starfleet Command before he acted, where Kirk would send them a message and then jump in guns blazing. Picard represented the Cold War which I lived in. While I find I am more like Picard, I feel that the world has lost something when there is no longer a place for men like James T. Kirk.

You forget where there is Picard there will always be Riker, so Kirk will never be forgotten (Well okay Riker is now married but my point is valid!)


Picard. This might come as blasphemy, but I have problems watching original Star Trek, and the fact that I wish lots of bad things to happen to the main character doesn't help...with TNG I get that only in episodes centering on Wesley (and not even all of those!)

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