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Page 22 of the Guide states that a character with any Craft, Perform or Profession skills may use said skill to earn money between games. Note that it does not state that skill ranks are needed, just skills.
My question is this: Perform is untrained. Can any character without Craft or Profession do an impromptu performance to earn a few gp?

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It should read skill ranks. I'll add that to the next update.
That still doesn't really address the fact that many people will simply just take one rank in the skill. That 20gp at first level can go an awful long way to providing a little extra boost. I have no idea what a solution would be, but this doesn't seem to be a very significant fix.

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Joshua J. Frost wrote:It should read skill ranks. I'll add that to the next update.That still doesn't really address the fact that many people will simply just take one rank in the skill. That 20gp at first level can go an awful long way to providing a little extra boost. I have no idea what a solution would be, but this doesn't seem to be a very significant fix.
Yeah, but you have to survive the adventure to obtain that gold, and if you damage your chances by taking a point out of a skill to save your life, and putting it in a skill that will net you less gold than a single level 1 fight, when a skill rank somewhere else will serve you better in the long run

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Joshua J. Frost wrote:It should read skill ranks. I'll add that to the next update.That still doesn't really address the fact that many people will simply just take one rank in the skill. That 20gp at first level can go an awful long way to providing a little extra boost. I have no idea what a solution would be, but this doesn't seem to be a very significant fix.
I don't see anything that needs to be fixed beyond the small correction that we intended the rolls to be trained rolls not untrained rolls. The amount of average gold gained per level is inconsequential to the total amount of gold gained per level.

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Do us rogues get to use our tumble or sleight of hand skill for the performances?
You can use Sleight of Hand if you join the thieves guild. It costs a little PA but it's out lined in the Field Guide p 62. Along with many other ways to earn a little extra gold with skills that some adventures should already have.

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Fromper wrote:He has to train it to be able to make money off of it. ;)So you can't have a day job if you don't have any craft, perform, or profession skills trained? Does my barbarian really need to train "Profession (Thug)" to be good at it???
He already makes money off it. Every time the Pathfinder Society sends him to beat stuff up, he gets paid. Being a barbarian is his day job.
I was looking at the professions listed with the Profession skill in the core rules, trying to figure out what would go well with my barbarian. They don't even have "bouncer" listed. I was wondering, though, what happens if a male character trains Profession (Courtesan)? Would that mean he's the pimp?

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My oread monk has Profession (counsellor for Pathfinder Society children's camp).
It started as a joke among players at the table at FlatCon, but given some of the missions a pathfinder is given, hinting at cozy relationships between the decembvirate and the powerful of Absalom society, I think the Grand Lodge would likely have some afterschool or summer camp for the kids.

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Jiggy wrote:Fromper wrote:He has to train it to be able to make money off of it. ;)So you can't have a day job if you don't have any craft, perform, or profession skills trained? Does my barbarian really need to train "Profession (Thug)" to be good at it???
He already makes money off it. Every time the Pathfinder Society sends him to beat stuff up, he gets paid. Being a barbarian is his day job.
I was looking at the professions listed with the Profession skill in the core rules, trying to figure out what would go well with my barbarian. They don't even have "bouncer" listed. I was wondering, though, what happens if a male character trains Profession (Courtesan)? Would that mean he's the pimp?
if you are not aware of what a male courtesan is... you have lead a sheltered life. And I will try not to damage that.
Or, as a computer software consultant, I have often refered to myself as a who...err ... "Courtesan" and my Contracting Company as my... "agent".

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Fromper wrote:Jiggy wrote:Fromper wrote:He has to train it to be able to make money off of it. ;)So you can't have a day job if you don't have any craft, perform, or profession skills trained? Does my barbarian really need to train "Profession (Thug)" to be good at it???
He already makes money off it. Every time the Pathfinder Society sends him to beat stuff up, he gets paid. Being a barbarian is his day job.
I was looking at the professions listed with the Profession skill in the core rules, trying to figure out what would go well with my barbarian. They don't even have "bouncer" listed. I was wondering, though, what happens if a male character trains Profession (Courtesan)? Would that mean he's the pimp?
if you are not aware of what a male courtesan is... you have lead a sheltered life. And I will try not to damage that.
Or, as a computer software consultant, I have often refered to myself as a who...err ... "Courtesan" and my Contracting Company as my... "agent".
Well, the male equivalent to the female role would have been far less common in medieval Europe than the female "courtesans" or their male bosses. But yeah, I thought of that, too.

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Fromper wrote:Well, the male equivalent to the female role would have been far less common in medieval Europe than the female "courtesans" or their male bosses.Ever been to medieval Europe? Cause Miss Feathers disagrees with you. ;)
No, I'm not quite that old. Just going by what I've read.

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godsDMit wrote:Also Don Juan - the original male courtesan....Fromper wrote:Well, the male equivalent to the female role would have been far less common in medieval Europe than the female "courtesans" or their male bosses.Ever been to medieval Europe? Cause Miss Feathers disagrees with you. ;)
Are the Paracountess' playmates all Chelaxian, or are some of them ... paid to play?

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nosig wrote:Are the Paracountess' playmates all Chelaxian, or are some of them ... paid to play?godsDMit wrote:Also Don Juan - the original male courtesan....Fromper wrote:Well, the male equivalent to the female role would have been far less common in medieval Europe than the female "courtesans" or their male bosses.Ever been to medieval Europe? Cause Miss Feathers disagrees with you. ;)
I run a female Chelaxian Courtesan (Bard - Street Performer). She has ranks in both Profession (Courtesan) and Craft (Courtesan) thou for her day job she normally uses Perform Dance. She was also Chelaxian faction until the new factions came out, and I flipped her - not sure why I did that. Perhaps she was a bit to... chaotic. Anyway - I figure I still retain the contact, even if I am no longer getting my faction missions from her (thou, as Shadow Lodge now, all the older mods I run I still get my missions from her - so I still sort of work for her.)

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nosig wrote:I run a female Chelaxian Courtesan (Bard - Street Performer). She has ranks in both Profession (Courtesan) and Craft (Courtesan)...???
Is this like "Bride of Frankenstein" or something like a 6 week training course?
LOL! that's good. No, I just had one Judge who said Courtesan should be a Craft, 'cause the Profession part was the person running the business, the Craft part was the person doing the "work". (rolls eyes) so I just put a rank in both and say "well, it's been a business doing pleasure with you today! I sure I was successful at my Craft..." roll the dice...
Kind of like Cook is a Profession, and Cooking is a Craft.

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TwoWolves wrote:nosig wrote:I run a female Chelaxian Courtesan (Bard - Street Performer). She has ranks in both Profession (Courtesan) and Craft (Courtesan)...???
Is this like "Bride of Frankenstein" or something like a 6 week training course?
LOL! that's good. No, I just had one Judge who said Courtesan should be a Craft, 'cause the Profession part was the person running the business, the Craft part was the person doing the "work". (rolls eyes) so I just put a rank in both and say "well, it's been a business doing pleasure with you today! I sure I was successful at my Craft..." roll the dice...
Kind of like Cook is a Profession, and Cooking is a Craft.
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How is it that you seem to run into all the weird GMs? The rules specifically state that if nothing is produced, it's not Craft.

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nosig wrote:TwoWolves wrote:nosig wrote:I run a female Chelaxian Courtesan (Bard - Street Performer). She has ranks in both Profession (Courtesan) and Craft (Courtesan)...???
Is this like "Bride of Frankenstein" or something like a 6 week training course?
LOL! that's good. No, I just had one Judge who said Courtesan should be a Craft, 'cause the Profession part was the person running the business, the Craft part was the person doing the "work". (rolls eyes) so I just put a rank in both and say "well, it's been a business doing pleasure with you today! I sure I was successful at my Craft..." roll the dice...
Kind of like Cook is a Profession, and Cooking is a Craft.
.....
How is it that you seem to run into all the weird GMs? The rules specifically state that if nothing is produced, it's not Craft.
Well... there's always a chance of pregnancy... ;)

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VERY careful about keeping a supply of Night Tea on hand (40 days worth on the character sheet - and I always ask the Judge if she needs more).
Jiggy - I just play a lot, for a lot of Judges, for a long time. The Profession/Craft issue was a a young judge (both age and experience) and it was a cute talking point... and it's only one skill point, so ... when any other judge finds it an issue I just ask if I can count it as another rank in (whichever he feels Courtesan should be). (oh, and I don't comment much on the really good judges I've played for - which are most of them. Just the "odd" ones...)