"Conversion" for Pathfinder RPG Alpha / Beta rules?


Curse of the Crimson Throne

Scarab Sages

Is anyone currently working on this or planning to work on this? We're going to be starting this right after we finish RotRL (which won't likely be until the end of August, I think), and our characters are now pretty much Pathfinderized. It would just take tweaking the encounters and NPCs a bit, but if someone has already done some work he or she would like to share, I'd be happy to share the work I do on this as well. :)

Scarab Sages

It has been suggested by James Jacobs to play the CotCT as is with no conversion. PC's can be Alpha and the adventure remains unchanged.
I'm running my CotCT this way. So far so good really.

I think there is a thread somewhere with someone doing a conversion though...


I converted the opponents with class levels, and occasionally tweaked hp or numbers of opponents where monsters are concerned. So far the adventure hasn't been a cakewalk for the PCs and still seems to be providing them enough challenge to keep them engaged.

Scarab Sages

Nice. :) Are you willing to share that work, or would you rather not?

Which XP progression are you using?


I'm using the fast progression XP chart. It's closest to normal 3.5 progression, and seems to fit in with the expected advancement in the adventure path. As it is, the party is slightly behind, but that's because they missed a bit at All the World's Meat, and avoided combat at Eel's End.

I'll see about posting some changes here later today. I've got everything written in a notebook I use, so I can't just cut-and-paste.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

Shadowborn wrote:

I'm using the fast progression XP chart. It's closest to normal 3.5 progression, and seems to fit in with the expected advancement in the adventure path. As it is, the party is slightly behind, but that's because they missed a bit at All the World's Meat, and avoided combat at Eel's End.

I'll see about posting some changes here later today. I've got everything written in a notebook I use, so I can't just cut-and-paste.

If you'd like Shadowborn, there's a great template for PRPG statblocks we created on the Pathfinder Wiki. You can add the conversions there, and then people can access them easily in the future.

Scarab Sages

yoda8myhead wrote:
If you'd like Shadowborn, there's a great template for PRPG statblocks we created on the Pathfinder Wiki. You can add the conversions there, and then people can access them easily in the future.

That would be cool. The PathfinderWiki is going to be a great resource.

I found a link to a full conversion stat block - looks really good!

Tsuto Kaijitsu


yoda8myhead wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:

I'm using the fast progression XP chart. It's closest to normal 3.5 progression, and seems to fit in with the expected advancement in the adventure path. As it is, the party is slightly behind, but that's because they missed a bit at All the World's Meat, and avoided combat at Eel's End.

I'll see about posting some changes here later today. I've got everything written in a notebook I use, so I can't just cut-and-paste.

If you'd like Shadowborn, there's a great template for PRPG statblocks we created on the Pathfinder Wiki. You can add the conversions there, and then people can access them easily in the future.

Looks good, though I'm completely wiki illiterate. I wouldn't know where to begin unless it flashed me a big red link saying "Post New Stuff Here" in a 24 pt font. (Well, that's an exaggeration; a 12 pt font would work just fine.)

Sczarni

Basically, what I do is click on my screen name and make a link to the title of the article I'm making (surround the title with square brackets "[" ) then when you click on it the upper left corner will have an edit function. Click on that and type away! Alternately, you can email one of us working on the wiki the information and we can post it if you would like.

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Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Basically, what I do is click on my screen name and make a link to the title of the article I'm making (surround the title with square brackets "[" ) then when you click on it the upper left corner will have an edit function. Click on that and type away! Alternately, you can email one of us working on the wiki the information and we can post it if you would like.

I might see if there's a way to create a form-based statblock entry page. I doubt it, but for the time being, if you can't figure it out, you can email me the statblock in text format and I can enter it into the wiki. As things pick up and more people start to contribute this might become too much for me to handle, but for now I'd be happy to assist. Email to this screenname at pathfinderwiki.com.


Sorry for the delay; I've been busy in the analog world. Here's a couple of conversions I did.

Verik Vancaskerkin (boy, try saying that name three times, fast)
Male human fighter 3
CN medium humanoid
Init +2 Perception:-1
AC:18 touch 12, flat-footed 16
(+5 armor, +1 armor training, +2 Dex)
HP: 28 (2d10+16) <-- full hp at 1st, hence only two d10s
Saves: Fort +4 Ref +3 Will +2 (+3 vs fear effects)
Spd 20ft
Melee: MW Spear +6 (1d8+3/X3)
Ranged: MW Composite Longbow +7 (1d8+3/X3)
Str15 Dex14 Con12 Int10 Wis8 Cha13
BAtB: +3 CMB: +5
Feats: Iron Will, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Quick Draw, Weapon Focus (longbow)
Skills: Handle Animal +7, Intimidate +7, Ride +8
Class Abilities: Armor training, bravery
Possessions: potion of cure moderate wounds, MW chainmail, MW composite longbow (+2 Str), 20 +1 arrows

Devargo Barvasi, aka the Spider King
Male human rogue 4
LE medium humanoid
Init +2 Perception +6
AC 17 touch 13, flat-footed 14
(+3 armor, +3 dex, +1 shield)
HP: 36 (3d8+16)
Saves: Fort +3 Ref +7 Will +0
Spd 30ft
Melee: MW Bladed Gauntlet +8 (1d4+1 plus poison)
or +6/+6 (1d4+1 plus poison)
Ranged: MW Hand Crossbow +7 (1d4/19-20 plus poison)
Str12 Dex16 Con14 Int10 Wis8 Cha13
BAtB: +3 CMB: +4
Feats: Two-weapon Defense, Two-weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus (bladed gauntlet)
Skills: Bluff +8, Climb +8, Craft(alchemy) +7, Diplomacy +8, Intimidate +8, Knowledge(local) +7, Sense Motive +6, Sleight of Hand +10, Perception +6
Rogue Abilities: Evasion, Finesse Rogue, Sneak Attack +2d6, Stand Up, Trapfinding, Trap Sense +1
Possessions: potion of cure moderate wounds, potion of invisibility, spider venom (5 doses, DC12 Dmg:1d4Str), +1 leather armor, MW bladed gauntlets, MW hand crossbow and 20 bolts


So, having finished "Edge of Anarchy" and just begun "Seven Days to the Grave," I decided to try a full conversion of a monster, and grabbed the first major creature battle that gets thrown at the PCs.

Vampire Spawn
Medium undead
HD: 4d12+4 (30 hp)
Init: +6
Spd 30ft
AC: 15 (+2 Dex, +3 Natural) touch 12, flat-footed 13
BAtB: +2 CMB: +6
Attack: slam +6 melee (1d6+6 plus energy drain)
Special Attacks: Blood drain, domination, energy drain
Special Qualities: +2 turn resistance, DR 5/silver, 60ft darkvision,
fast heal 2, gaseous form, cold resistance 10, electrical resistance 10, spider climb, undead traits
Save: Fort +1, Ref +5, Will +5
Str18 Dex14 Con- Int13 Wis13 Cha14
Skills: Acrobatics +10, Bluff +8, Climb +10, Perception +10,
Stealth +10, Survival +8
Feats: Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Skill Focus (Perception), Skill Focus (Survival)

As these are, presumably, human spawn I gave them their +2 stat raise to Str, just to give them a little more "oomph" in combat. I never quite understood what good a profession or craft skill did a feral, animalistic undead, so I replaced the skill with Survival, which seemed more suited to the creature. Also, with the change in the Alertness feat, I substituted Skill Focus instead.


Gray Maiden
Female human fighter 2
LE Medium humanoid
Init:+1 Perception: -1
AC:21 touch 11 flat-footed 20
HP:31 (1d10+26)
Fort+5 Ref+1 Will+1 (+2 vs fear)
Spd 20ft
Melee: MW longsword +7 (1d8+3/19-20)
Ranged: composite longbow +3 (1d8/x3)
Str16 Dex12 Con15 Int10 Wis8 Cha13
BAtB:+2 CMB:+5
Feats: Iron Will, Point Blank Shot, Quick Draw,
Weapon Focus (longsword)
Skills: Acrobatics+1, Climb+3, Intimidate+6
Languages: Common
Gear: masterwork full plate, heavy steel shield, masterwork longsword,
composite longbow with 20 arrows

I put the human stat bonus in Str. I also made a correction in the Feat selection, as they are listed in the book as having Precise Shot, which requires Point Blank Shot as a prerequisite. I threw a couple ranks in Acrobatics since they should have a Jump score.

Scarab Sages

I just wanted to post again and say thanks for continuing to post what you've done for conversion. I do appreciate it and am taking notes. Just didn't want you to think you were posting these here and nobody was paying attention. :)


True, I'm reading it too and since I'll be running CoCT in approximately two months, I'm more than happy to find your work.

Thanks


Glad to be of service.

I just wanted to point out, because I don't recall if I did previously, that in my campaign I used the double hit points option at first level. I just realized that the HP I've posted for NPCs reflects this. So, if you're wanting to do a standard character, you'll want to remove HP equal to a full hit die plus Con bonus in order to have a standard listing. Sorry for any confusion.

Dark Archive

Good stuff! I'll add my own as I convert them and have the time to post 'em. Thanks for sharing.

One note on Verik, though--Precise Shot is not in the Alpha rules, so that should be replaced. I used Rapid Shot in my conversion, though if you have him attack by ambush within 30 feet and he happens to land a crit, you're looking at 15 to 36 damage from one shot. Ouch.


Golbez57 wrote:
One note on Verik, though--Precise Shot is not in the Alpha rules, so that should be replaced.

Precise Shot is in the rules. Improved Precise Shot isn't (replaced by Careful Targeting, et al.).

Dark Archive

Ah, my mistake, then. Thanks for the correction.


Golbez57 wrote:
[I]f you have him attack by ambush within 30 feet and he happens to land a crit, you're looking at 15 to 36 damage from one shot. Ouch.

As it happens, that's just how it played out in our game. The rogue picked the lock, opened the door, and took a critical hit for his troubles from Verik's readied action. Ouch indeed.

Scarab Sages

In terms of the Alpha 3, are the feats in it meant to be representative of ALL the feats allowed? We thought they were only supposed to represent *changed* feats from the PHB. I mean, there has to be some kind of that rule in, otherwise no equipment would be allowed.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Karui Kage wrote:
In terms of the Alpha 3, are the feats in it meant to be representative of ALL the feats allowed? We thought they were only supposed to represent *changed* feats from the PHB. I mean, there has to be some kind of that rule in, otherwise no equipment would be allowed.

Even at the Beta stage, we can't fit ALL the rules in. As a general rule, unless the Alpha or Beta rules specifically say that a feat or spell or other element ISN'T in the game, it's safe to assume that it is in the game still, and will be included in the final product in August 2009 (and will also perhaps have some time on a Beta update before then).

Scarab Sages

Thanks James, that's what we had been playing it as. This talk of the feats in the Alpha being the *only* feats allowed worried me some :) I would miss my Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization.

Sovereign Court

Anybody want to take a crack at "Pathfinding" a version of Trinia Sabor? Bards got a heavy makeover for the PRPG, she needs updating/converting!

Scarab Sages

I'd be scared to try it until the Beta comes out. It's so close, I think I'm just going to wait for that before any more conversions.


Twowlves wrote:


Anybody want to take a crack at "Pathfinding" a version of Trinia Sabor? Bards got a heavy makeover for the PRPG, she needs updating/converting!

Already done. I updated her for "Edge of Anarchy" and just finished her higher level conversion for "A History of Ashes."

Trinia Sabor (Mark I)
Female human bard 4
CG medium humanoid
Init: +4 Perception: -1
AC:17 touch 12 flat-footed 15 (+5 armor, +2 Dex)
HP:38 (3d8+24)
Fort+2 Ref+6 Will+3
Spd 30ft
BAtB: +3 CMB: +3
Melee: MW dagger +6 (1d4/19-20)
Special Attacks: bardic music (4/day, countersong, fascinate,
inspire competence, inspire courage +1, distraction)
Special Abilities: Bardic knowledge, Well-versed
Spells Known:
2nd (2/day)- minor image (DC15), eagle's splendor
1st (4/day)- cure light wounds, feather fall, grease, hideous laughter
0 lvl (cantrip)- flare, light, mage hand, mending, message, prestidigitation
Feats: Acrobatic, Shingle Runner, Weapon Finesse
Skills: Acrobatics +11, Bluff +10, Climb +7, Craft (painting)+8,
Diplomacy +10, Knowledge (local)+12, Knowledge (nobility)+10, Perform (comedy)+10
Gear: potion of cat's grace, potion of jump, potion of shield of faith +3, wand of daze monster (10 charges), +1 mithral chain shirt, commoner's outfit, MW dagger, two bronze bracelets (50gp ea), copper necklace (100gp)

I used the extra spells the PF bard gains to give her an additional edge in the Shingle Chase scenario.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

These are awesome Shadowborn. I'll try and get any that are posted here which aren't already there up on the wiki this weekend. Keep up the good work!


Trinia Sabor (Mark II)
Human female bard 7
CG medium humanoid
Init: +2 Perception: -1
AC:18 touch 13 flat-footed 16
(+5 armor, +1 deflection, +2 Dex)
HP:57 (6d8+30)
Fort +3 Ref +7 Will +5
Spd 30ft BAtB: +5 CMB: +5
Melee: MW rapier +8 (1d6/18-20)
Ranged: +1 shortbow +8 (1d6+1/x3)
Special Attacks: bardic music 7/day (countersong,
fascinate, inspire competence, inspire courage +2, suggestion)
Special Qualities: Bardic knowledge, lore master 1/day
Spells Known:
3rd (2/day)- confusion(DC17), haste
2nd (4/day)- eagle's splendor, minor image(DC15), invisibility,
suggestion(DC16)
1st (5/day)- charm person(DC15), cure light wounds, feather fall,
grease(DC14), hideous laughter(DC15)
0 lvl (cantrip)- daze(DC14), light, mage hand, mending, message,
prestidigitation
Feats: Acrobatic, Shingle Runner, Spell Focus (enchantment),Weapon Finesse
Skills: Acrobatic +12(+14), Bluff +13, Climb +12, Craft
(painting)+11, Diplomacy +13, Knowledge (local)+17, Knowledge
(nobility)+14, Perform (comedy)+13
Languages: Common, Elven, Shoanti
Gear: wand of glitterdust (33 charges), +1 mithral shirt, MW rapier,
+1 shortbow and 20 arrows, ring of protection +1, two bronze bracelets (50gp ea), copper necklace (100gp)

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

In adding these conversions to the wiki, Shadowborn, I'm noticing that the humans have not been given their racial +2 ability bonus and some of the skills aren't adding up right. Did you recalculate these in your conversions?


The human stat bonus should be in there. (e.g. The Gray Maiden stat block has a +2 mod to Str) Skill ranks are factoring things such as feat adjustments, class abilities, and armor check penalties. Granted, there are some of these that could probably use a double-check for accuracy. I tend to work on these in the wee hours and occasionally shortly before a session starts while my gamers pester me with questions and general banter. I'm fairly confident that the majority are on target, however.

*Edit* Whoops. Speaking of accuracy, I just noticed I neglected to put in the Stat line for both versions of Trinia. I'll have to fix that.


Hello there! Great thread and great work, Shadowborn! But does anybody know of a converted Vreeg, the derro necromancer from the final of Edge?

The Exchange

Immora posted Vreeg's conversion in this thread


Hey, thank you Wormy!


Interesting. I'll post my Pathfinderized stat blocks for general consumption once a given chapter has been concluded in my campaign journal. ^_^

Note that it will only be two of the big-bads from Skeletons of Scarwall and most of the antagonists from Crown of Fangs...

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