Hello all,
As I was reading the feats section, I saw two that got me to thinking of a different idea. The two were Intimidating Prowess and Persuasive.
Why not change the name of the Diplomacy skill to Persuasion, and change Intimidate to a strength based modifier?
Anytime I think of 'intimidation', I don't think Charisma. I think of the type of person that has the big stick, so to speak. Where as someone who is persuasive can use words and subtle actions to convince someone to do something.
Plus, the change would eliminate the two feats mentioned above.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Later!
JTStorm
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Hello all,
As I was reading the feats section, I saw two that got me to thinking of a different idea. The two were Intimidating Prowess and Persuasive.
Why not change the name of the Diplomacy skill to Persuasion, and change Intimidate to a strength based modifier?
Anytime I think of 'intimidation', I don't think Charisma. I think of the type of person that has the big stick, so to speak. Where as someone who is persuasive can use words and subtle actions to convince someone to do something.
Plus, the change would eliminate the two feats mentioned above.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Later!
JTStorm
I have lobbyed for Intimidate to be Str based since 1999 when third ed was first released - and many I know already house-rule it that way (including me).
The way I see it, The Terminator is one of THE most intimidating looking characters ever and I freely admit that if came crashing though the door looking for me, I'd soil myself; Robin Williams - probably the most charismatic persons in hollywood - not so intimidating.
Robert
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I would have once agreed but I had a player with a rouge who used intimidate all the time. He'd tell the shopkeep what he'd do to his mother to get a deal, the barmaid what he'd do to her unless she gave him info, the hobgoblin he's fighting how he'd slowly butcher him piece by piece once he knocked him out. That takes chr., not str. One of the problem players have understanding intimidate as a chr. based check and not str. is association with the classic bully. The classic bully who beat people up in school might have used str., that's for sure. But I generally found that a bully is making up for his LACK of strength, and uses insults and taunts to make someone scared of him, not just a cracking of fists and a showing of muscles. I also think of intimidate as an interrogation method. Think of law and order. Sometimes they do use physical prowess to get the truth, but you need to be able to read someone to do that, you need to be confident in your own physical capability. I could be some hulking monster, but if go up to you and say "I..I...I'm gonna, um, hurt you. Yeah. You'll...you'll see," you might be a little scared, but, pssh, I also looks like I'm going to go home and cry to momma!
But the Terminator has presence, lots of presence. The way he walks around all cool-like, that's charisma. His flairs with his strength are just show, he could be really weak and still do awesome flairs and be just as intimidating. Intimidate is not strength, though there are cases were it can be used, they are limited compared to the large number of cases where charisma is just better. Words are more powerful than physical strength.