| Don Northness |
Listen, I am not trying to criticize you guys in any way. Nor am I complaining.
In fact, I would ask everyone else to keep complaints out of this thread.
But why/how can items be removed from my cart while I am shopping?
I added one item to my cart, and everything was fine. I went to add another item, and the first was removed due to it being unavailable. I almost missed the message as I went to add a third item, and was told that was unavailable.
At this point, the second item is still in my cart, as I look the page over and see everything has reached Out of Stock/Unavailable status except one item. Since I am not interested in the remaining item, I head over to view my cart to take the one item on it out, and it is removed from my cart because it is unavailable.
I am not looking for anything except an answer to the following question:
Why is your system set up like that?
I do not have a problem with how things worked out. Had everything sold out while I was loading the first three items, I would have "put them back" anyway. I am just a bit shocked at the system not being elegant for once. :-)
Cpt_kirstov
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Don Northness wrote:But why/how can items be removed from my cart while I am shopping?Copies were still available when you added them to your cart, but they were selling out quickly. As our system detects that items in your cart have sold out, we remove them.
and the answer to why: I believe this was in response to the Green Ronin sale.. if they didn't do this, we would have people complaining of orders waiting for days and then having 2 of the 3 products drop off because they were out of stock and one book being sent. In some cases it would be the product wanted the least.
Vic Wertz
Chief Technical Officer
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Vic Wertz wrote:and the answer to why: I believe this was in response to the Green Ronin sale.. if they didn't do this, we would have people complaining of orders waiting for days and then having 2 of the 3 products drop off because they were out of stock and one book being sent. In some cases it would be the product wanted the least.Don Northness wrote:But why/how can items be removed from my cart while I am shopping?Copies were still available when you added them to your cart, but they were selling out quickly. As our system detects that items in your cart have sold out, we remove them.
Actually, in this case, we were selling only in-stock inventory. The Green Ronin situation involved items that were available at our distributor in unspecified quantities in addition to our local stock.
Cpt_kirstov
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Cpt_kirstov wrote:Actually, in this case, we were selling only in-stock inventory. The Green Ronin situation involved items that were available at our distributor in unspecified quantities in addition to our local stock.Vic Wertz wrote:and the answer to why: I believe this was in response to the Green Ronin sale.. if they didn't do this, we would have people complaining of orders waiting for days and then having 2 of the 3 products drop off because they were out of stock and one book being sent. In some cases it would be the product wanted the least.Don Northness wrote:But why/how can items be removed from my cart while I am shopping?Copies were still available when you added them to your cart, but they were selling out quickly. As our system detects that items in your cart have sold out, we remove them.
Darn - I can't be right all the time .... but if helping you guys out was hitting in baseball I'd have a darn good average
| Don Northness |
Don Northness wrote:But why/how can items be removed from my cart while I am shopping?Copies were still available when you added them to your cart, but they were selling out quickly. As our system detects that items in your cart have sold out, we remove them.
Well, yeah. I figured that part out.
I guess what I really should have asked was "Why didn't the items in my cart count as 'mine?'"
I guess in the future, it would be better to place an order on everything as soon as possible - and then go over all the orders and see what I want to get or not. And then I can pester Customer Service to adjust them as needed. I just figured items in my cart would be tagged as "temporary unavailable" until I made up my mind or logged out.
I am well aware an online store isn't anything like a B&M store... But this was like other customers taking the items I selected out of my shopping cart as I was walking down the Last Bastion isle.
It does leave a bit of a bitter taste...
Lisa Stevens
CEO
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Vic Wertz wrote:Don Northness wrote:But why/how can items be removed from my cart while I am shopping?Copies were still available when you added them to your cart, but they were selling out quickly. As our system detects that items in your cart have sold out, we remove them.Well, yeah. I figured that part out.
I guess what I really should have asked was "Why didn't the items in my cart count as 'mine?'"
I guess in the future, it would be better to place an order on everything as soon as possible - and then go over all the orders and see what I want to get or not. And then I can pester Customer Service to adjust them as needed. I just figured items in my cart would be tagged as "temporary unavailable" until I made up my mind or logged out.
I am well aware an online store isn't anything like a B&M store... But this was like other customers taking the items I selected out of my shopping cart as I was walking down the Last Bastion isle.
It does leave a bit of a bitter taste...
Hey Don:
You would be surprised how many people put stuff into their carts and then just leave them there. We used to laugh about creating a graphic interface where we could watch folks shopping on the online store. As people browsed, their avatars would walk around the virtual store with their shopping carts, putting items in as they browsed. Then we realized how absolutely crazy it would get with all the abandoned shopping carts laying everywhere in the store. We have had tens of thousands of abandoned shopping carts in our few years in business, so it really isn't practical to reserve items that are put into shopping carts.
On the topic of getting more of the Bastion Books in stock, I have a phone call tomorrow that will hopefully get us more books to sell. Stay tuned!
-Lisa
| Don Northness |
Thank you for your time Lisa.
I bet I'm coming off as a complainer. I am not trying to, but I bet I am still succeeding.
We have had tens of thousands of abandoned shopping carts in our few years in business, so it really isn't practical to reserve items that are put into shopping carts.
I get that. That is why I added in the "or logged out" in my previous post.
I haven't seen your website code, and if the Loaf Question thread is an indication of what it might look like, I don't wanna. (I know there isn't any direct relation.) But if I had the opportunity, and an eternity to try my hand at it (You don't want that. It would be ugly - and I hate deadlines. ;-) ) I would keep temporary track of items placed in a cart until the user logged out. Sort of like double column bookkeeping. There is the extreme case of someone staying logged on forever... But I imagine your code forces a disconnect of some sort after a time? And there could even be a reasonable time limit - about 4 hours sounds about right to me - in case of necessity.
This way, while some one is shopping, the items in their cart are temporarily reserved while they are still online. If they don't make a purchase, then the item is released back to inventory.
Currently this works because there is no Wish List option, and there isn't any official Save Cart option either. I suspect that forcing a cart clear isn't desirable at this time, but I would say you wouldn't need to reinstate the temporary reserved state on the next log in. That only leaves the extremely rare case of a random loss of connection during a sale - and currently that causes a customer to lose out anyway.
There could be, instead of or in addition too, a special Sale Item flag that this is tied to... But I think that gets a little unnecessarily complicated.
Anyway, I had the chance to say my piece. Again, thanks for your time.
Cpt_kirstov
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But I imagine your code forces a disconnect of some sort after a time? And there could even be a reasonable time limit - about 4 hours sounds about right to me - in case of necessity.
This way, while some one is shopping, the items in their cart are temporarily reserved while they are still online. If they don't make a purchase, then the item is released back to inventory.
Currently this works because there is no Wish List option, and there isn't any official Save Cart option either. I suspect that forcing a cart clear isn't desirable at this time, but I would say you wouldn't need to reinstate the temporary reserved state on the next log in. That only leaves the extremely rare case of a random loss of connection during a sale - and currently that causes a customer to lose out anyway.
People also hold the phantom carts for days to ensure they have the cash in their accounts before ordering or if they dislike preorders(mentioned multiple times on the boards). I have been logged on from my home computer for months, so if there is a disconnect it might be only with inactivity. Personally I did this while waiting to get/use a promotional code that was good for a month, all month I added things to my cart and then at the end of the month checked out and used the code.
So it becomes a question of do these sales (that are mostly happening just because publishers are switching systems and predict the need for space) trump the everyday shopper or vice-versa?
| Don Northness |
So it becomes a question of do these sales (that are mostly happening just because publishers are switching systems and predict the need for space) trump the everyday shopper or vice-versa?
Neither. My suggestion covers both. With what I suggested, everything works as it does currently. In addition people who are shopping currently can't have an item "sold out underneath them." Unless one of three things happen: 1) They remove the item in question from their cart and don't add it back in time, 2) They log out/go inactive, or 3) a "backup" amount of time occurs - I suggested 4 hours.
amethal
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The Bastion sale can also be found here :-
http://www.studio2publishing.com/shop/specials.php?osCsid=d42cbf72b3616f28f f46f7704266fa83
I bought a load of stuff from them when the sale was first announced. I'd rather have bought from Paizo but at the time they weren't involved.
Disclaimer - I haven't confirmed they still have any in stock. I've already got what I wanted!
Vic Wertz
Chief Technical Officer
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UPDATE!: We've arranged to get more stock, but we don't have guaranteed quantities, so we cannot guarantee that we'll be able to fulfill all orders for products in this sale. We will do our very best to fulfill as many orders as possible on a first-come, first-serve basis, but once the manufacturer is out of stock, we will be unable to get more. Thus, there is a chance that part or all of your order for these products will be cancelled.
Also, these products are all backorders, and may take a few weeks to ship. Our website may indicate shorter transit times—please disregard them.
Tio
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UPDATE!: We've arranged to get more stock, but we don't have guaranteed quantities, so we cannot guarantee that we'll be able to fulfill all orders for products in this sale. We will do our very best to fulfill as many orders as possible on a first-come, first-serve basis, but once the manufacturer is out of stock, we will be unable to get more. Thus, there is a chance that part or all of your order for these products will be cancelled.
Also, these products are all backorders, and may take a few weeks to ship. Our website may indicate shorter transit times—please disregard them.
Thanks Vic for the effort you guys put in. I've ordered three products from this sale. We'll see if you manage to fulfill them. Good luck!