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Why are you sitting on a bookshelf?
Funny you'd mention that. I've sitting at home on my bookshelf
Ok, I don't know if it was a joke or a translation error, so I'm going to assume the later.
I've = I have not I'm = I am.
I just thought it funny that crosswired, who I find myself frequently disagreeing with, is talking about having a broad mind, and I've 20 years of transformers on my shelf, along with books as old.
Why are you sitting on a bookshelf?
Funny you'd mention that. I've sitting at home on my bookshelfOk, I don't know if it was a joke or a translation error, so I'm going to assume the later.
I've = I have not I'm = I am.
It was suppose to be a joke. Now I am crushed to realize that I am not funny. I think at this point I'd be better off discontinuing my social activities all together. I guess I'll just give away all my gaming stuff and go back to bed.
It was suppose to be a joke. Now I am crushed to realize that I am not funny.
I thought it was funny.
I think at this point I'd be better off discontinuing my social activities all together. I guess I'll just give away all my gaming stuff and go back to bed.
You don't have to do that. You can always play D&D $e online and never meet the people you play with. So now you can be anti-social and still game.
EDIT: I just noticed that I hit shift as I hit the 4 and instead got $e. I decided not to change that.
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Dude - you have no idea. My game room is a monument to open mindedness - as is my monthly tally at my local game shop.Open mind--how come most times I've heard that phrase in life, it preceded somebody trying to screw me outta dough?
I'm plenty open minded.
Why is 4e support an example of open mindedness? You're playing...a new tabletop rpg. Same shit, different day. Buy a windsurfer or go bunjee jumping, then tell me about open mindedness.
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You don't have to do that. You can always play D&D $e online and never meet the people you play with.
I'm curious if the anonymity of the internet will give rise to millions of "hot" gamers.
DDI Guy: Yeah, this DDI is great, I have more of a chance to game now. With all the weight lifting I do it was so hard to find time before. I guess that's the price I paid to keep these chiseled features.
Ah, the internet and beautiful people.
And all the talk of lead times is irrelevant in this case...this product is already announced.
Not quite. Lead times include time to write it and send it to the printer in China. It's pretty tight right now for an August release. Especially seeing as the changes to the Crunch in 4E may necessitate changes in the Fluff. Not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying that lead times are still relevant. (If you don't believe me, you try writing a high-quality several hundred page campaign setting, for any ruleset, in three months.
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Why is 4e support an example of open mindedness? You're playing...a new tabletop rpg. Same s%~#, different day. Buy a windsurfer or go bunjee jumping, then tell me about open mindedness.
Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.
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Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.
Dude, but the chicks dig it
Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.
But with RPG you could sprain a wrist rolling the dice, or choke on your munchies, or get a paper cut, or drop a bunch of books on your foot, or get eye strain looking at your computer, or get arthritis from to much typing, or not sleep at night because you drank to much caffiene.
Why is 4e support an example of open mindedness?
CAVEAT - What follows isn't meant to say that "everyone who prefers 3.5 is wrong/bad/closed-minded" - it is merely meant to give a possible answer of why someone who is optimistic about 4E might see "open-mindedness" as important to their reason for optimism.
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A few years back, I was in a "future leaders" course at work (corporate America training classes, you gotta love 'em). There were about a dozen students, I think.
One of the upper managers in our area came to one session, and said he wanted to give us a chance to provide input about something he was considering as a future initiative.
He then proceded to lay out the bare bones of a plan that was truly awful. Something that would make all our jobs hideously complicated, and would pretty much guarantee we'd be dealing with some angry customers.
He then let us all talk for about five or ten minutes - and we all started shooting holes in his grand idea, trying to make him understand why it wouldn't work.
After we'd all had a chance to speak up, he said, "I'm going to give you some advice here, and it's probably the most important advice you'll ever get if you want to get ahead in corporate America. Whenever someone in a meeting puts forward a new idea, before you point out any negatives, first try to come up with ways to make that idea work."
It really was the best career advice I've gotten, over the years. It doesn't mean that you have to blindly accept change for change's sake. It doesn't mean that you have to go along with stupidity, Bay-of-Pigs-style.
What it does mean is that if you're too busy shooting holes in something to really stop and think about it, you'll miss out on something good that might have come of it - and you'll certainly earn a reputation as someone who isn't open-minded. In most major coporations, act (negatively) this way, just once, with someone who is above you in the chain of command, and you'll be very likely to see your career growth severely restricted for the next several years.
And the attitude I've tried to instill in myself of avoiding knee-jerk negativity is definitely part of why I was able to read positive things into some of the earlier (and only minimally informative) bits of information about 4E that we received in the fall.
That's good advice. The problem is that we're not in a meeting, and Wizards appears to be going with the Big Stupid Plan instead of discussing with us, the established fans, how to make it work.
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But with RPG you could sprain a wrist rolling the dice, or choke on your munchies, or get a paper cut, or drop a bunch of books on your foot, or get eye strain looking at your computer, or get arthritis from to much typing, or not sleep at night because you drank to much caffiene.
Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.
True story. This dude is playing a ninja back under the old school Oriental Adventures. He puts his LEAD mini on a plastic spoon and flicks it at the table. The guy was not a very good shot and he ends up firing it over the head of the GM and into the back of the head of a player at the table behind us.
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Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.Dude, but the chicks dig it
If I never see that again it will be too soon.
True story. This dude is playing a ninja back under the old school Oriental Adventures. He puts his LEAD mini on a plastic spoon and flicks it at the table. The guy was not a very good shot and he ends up firing it over the head of the GM and into the back of the head of a player at the table behind us.
I can easily picture this happening. My evil brother once got mad at a player (who by the way was a friend of his) and threw a d20 as hard as he could at his friend who was sitting across from him at the table (distance about 6'). Hit him right in the tooth.
Not quite. Lead times include time to write it and send it to the printer in China. It's pretty tight right now for an August release. Especially seeing as the changes to the Crunch in 4E may necessitate changes in the Fluff. Not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying that lead times are still relevant. (If you don't believe me, you try writing a high-quality several hundred page campaign setting, for any ruleset, in three months.
I know you're talking about the Campaign Setting and not necessarily AP #3, but this might offer some perspective. Doc Jacobs said in a Pathfinder chat that if they get the rules soon, he will be consigned to working weekends until Gencon.
"It's not too late yet for Second Darkness to be 4th edition. Although it's getting VERY close. At this point, if we were to go 4th edition, I'd basically be working weekends until Gen Con, though."
"They've said that we can expect the rules near the start of February... unless there's delays. So who knows? But each day we don't have them is a day we have to push back the "START WORKING ON SECOND DARKNESS" go code. We SHOULD have already started."
Both comments dated January 8th. Thanks be to Lilith for archiving.
EDIT: I'm not disagreeing with you Ross, but adding to it.
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It was suppose to be a joke. Now I am crushed to realize that I am not funny. I think at this point I'd be better off discontinuing my social activities all together. I guess I'll just give away all my gaming stuff and go back to bed.
But did I make you cry?
My day would be complete then.
As I told my coworkers, "My job is not to torment you... That's just a perk."
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If I never see that again it will be too soon.Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.Dude, but the chicks dig it
I can't help it. Danzig fan or not, I'm still a redneck.
I'm fond of telling the folk that work for me, "The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Mine is: "In order to treat everyone equally, no one will be treated fairly."
It was suppose to be a joke. Now I am crushed to realize that I am not funny. I think at this point I'd be better off discontinuing my social activities all together. I guess I'll just give away all my gaming stuff and go back to bed.But did I make you cry?
My day would be complete then.
As I told my coworkers, "My job is not to torment you... That's just a perk."
At first I cry, then I get even....SLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPEN MY FRIEND....
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At first I cry, then I get even....SLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPEN MY FRIEND....
But did I make you cry?
My day would be complete then.
As I told my coworkers, "My job is not to torment you... That's just a perk."
I'm not scared of you, you can't hurt me. I've suffered the most terrible torments known to man.
I've been married... Twice.
At first I cry, then I get even....SLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPEN MY FRIEND....
But did I make you cry?
My day would be complete then.
As I told my coworkers, "My job is not to torment you... That's just a perk."
I'm not scared of you, you can't hurt me. I've suffered the most terrible torments known to man.
I've been married... Twice.
Hmmm....sounds self induced to me! I'm guessing you either asked first or said yes in return....am I right?
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Hmmm....sounds self induced to me! I'm guessing you either asked first or said yes in return....am I right?I'm not scared of you, you can't hurt me. I've suffered the most terrible torments known to man.
I've been married... Twice.
The first time we thought that there would be nothing worse than growing old alone. We were wrong.
The second time it went well until my depression and social anxiety disorder resulted in a full blown nervous breakdown. By the time I recovered, my wife was stepping out on me. I must have missed the mental health exception in "In sickness and in health."
I clawed my way back to sanity. All it took was the end of life as I knew it.
I clawed my way back to sanity. All it took was the end of life as I knew it.
At least you still have gaming....and people like me to irritate you!
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Hmmm. I have an open mind but a real desire to avoid pain. I think I'll stick to intellectual pursuits. The mind can stay young but my body has been through too many years of futbol related abuse - torn ligament in both big toes, popped a knee, broke a finger, dislocated a shoulder, and nearly fractured an orbital not to mention a multitude of bruises, cuts, scrapes, and grass stains.Dude, but the chicks dig it
Is it work safe?
My Drill Sargent said pain is just weakness leaving your body.
What I'm really hoping is that Paizo will continue to support BOTH 4e and 3.5e. Why should they trade one market for another when they can have both? It might take a little shuffling of resources, but I'm betting they can pull it off.
Don't hold your breath on that one. Tradition and historical precedence has ruled otherwise before, and yes, I still have a twinge of regret over it. Best you just allay thoughts such as these, and pick one edition and embrace it, comforted in the fact that it's the one you enjoy and prefer the most. The rest is folly.
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My Drill Sargent said pain is just weakness leaving your body.
I could go for a being weak if the pain would leave my body. 3 knee operations including a PCL replacement, twice dislocated shoulder, most fingers being broken a couple times each, a busted rib, back starting to act up......Ah, the life of activity why have thee abandoned me?
My life is a constant battle against maturity.
Agreed, but I'm winning every day. I'm 44, and I still play with miniatures. Heh.
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Agreed, but I'm winning every day. I'm 44, and I still play with miniatures. Heh.My life is a constant battle against maturity.
Xbox 360, PSP, D&D, etc. I love games. I also love new rock and metal.
I ain't fightin' against maturity. I am mature when I must be but I don't do it well or for long.Unfortunately my wife grew up when the kids were born.....how do you make someone grow down?
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My Drill Sargent said pain is just weakness leaving your body.I could go for a being weak if the pain would leave my body. 3 knee operations including a PCL replacement, twice dislocated shoulder, most fingers being broken a couple times each, a busted rib, back starting to act up......Ah, the life of activity why have thee abandoned me?
Suck it up and drive on. ;)
Is it work safe?
My Drill Sargent said pain is just weakness leaving your body.
Damn you for reminding me of basic training. I had all but forgotten my time at Fort Lost in the Woods.
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Agreed, but I'm winning every day. I'm 44, and I still play with miniatures. Heh.My life is a constant battle against maturity.
He he...
Varl: Knock on my door! Knock next time!
Larry Lichman: Yes, sir!
Varl: Did you see anything?
Larry Lichman: No, sir! I didn't see you playing with you dolls again.
[Lichman closes the door]
Varl: Good!
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Ah Spaceballs, how I love thee.
Agreed, but I'm winning every day. I'm 44, and I still play with miniatures. Heh.My life is a constant battle against maturity.
Maturity isn't the problem. Growing old is.
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Maturity isn't the problem. Growing old is.Agreed, but I'm winning every day. I'm 44, and I still play with miniatures. Heh.My life is a constant battle against maturity.
I can't control growing old, but I CAN control growing up (or not growing up).
My gaming, sci fi/horror, and comic book interests help keep my "real" life in balance. I like my "immaturity." And slowly, my new wife is buying into it, too.
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Agreed, but I'm winning every day. I'm 44, and I still play with miniatures. Heh.My life is a constant battle against maturity.
He he...
Varl: Knock on my door! Knock next time!
Larry Lichman: Yes, sir!
Varl: Did you see anything?
Larry Lichman: No, sir! I didn't see you playing with you dolls again.
[Lichman closes the door]
Varl: Good!...
Ah Spaceballs, how I love thee.
Mel Brooks Rules!
I must have missed the mental health exception in "In sickness and in health."
Remind me to ask about this when/if I ever get married. About to hit 30 and still unmarried. With any luck, Benedict may yet see his "bachelor of three score, again."
Varl: Knock on my door! Knock next time!
Larry Lichman: Yes, sir!
Varl: Did you see anything?
Larry Lichman: No, sir! I didn't see you playing with you dolls again.
[Lichman closes the door]
Varl: Good!...
Ah Spaceballs, how I love thee.
Shakespeare and Spaceballs, quote on the same page of the same thread. RIPLEY, I got something here you won't believe.
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Erik mentioned that if 4th edition is horribly bad, its not a question because they won't use it, and if its brilliant, its not a problem, because it will be the best thing since sliced bread, the problem is if its "eh." If its "eh," nobody knows how 4th edition will sell, even in the short term, and this is why none of this is automatic yet.
IMHO, 4e will sell very well at first, because even players not wanting the 4e are CURIOUS about it.
It is very far from sure that things will go up from there.
Actually, what I heard about the gameplay on gaming forums seems fairly bad : slow, unchallenging, and sometimes downright silly. But that's my tastes, and i'm fired anyways, so why would I bother ?
Sales for other products beyond the trilogy and 1st adventures series should be interesting to know.
Fort Jackson's nicer in the winter.Damn you for reminding me of basic training. I had all but forgotten my time at Fort Lost in the Woods.Is it work safe?
My Drill Sargent said pain is just weakness leaving your body.
The summers are not any better. I was there in the summer of 1987. We had over 90 degree days and below 40 degree nights. I am glad I am from Louisiana, the heat did not bother me a nearly as bad a it did some.
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I have made a conscious decision to NOT get stuck in one place for too long, to try new things out to see if I like them, and to be willing to put the familiar aside and explore.
Its not for everyone - my wife's best friend is stuck in the 80s - but it can be done.
What you say is very true. But I think some of us are still fine being gaming zombies even if we're fresh on other cultural leisures.
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True story. This dude is playing a ninja back under the old school Oriental Adventures. He puts his LEAD mini on a plastic spoon and flicks it at the table. The guy was not a very good shot and he ends up firing it over the head of the GM and into the back of the head of a player at the table behind us.
Other true story : player rolls a crit. he jumps up arms upwards from his chair ... and smashes right through my ceiling lamp which breaks in small parts and falls right on me.
Despite the fact that it is quite massive, I was not hurt. Must have used an action point without knowing it.