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Liberty's Edge

You wanna switch Coke to high fructose corn syrup from sucrose. BUT that's going to change the flavor.
Whaddya do?
Introduce New Coke, it bombs, admit to failure, rerelease "Coke Classic" with high fructose corn syrup, and hope nobody ever goes to Costa Rica where they still make it with sucrose and notices the taste difference.

None of this is provable, of course.

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Heathansson wrote:

You wanna switch Coke to high fructose corn syrup from sucrose. BUT that's going to change the flavor.

Whaddya do?
Introduce New Coke, it bombs, admit to failure, rerelease "Coke Classic" with high fructose corn syrup, and hope nobody ever goes to Costa Rica where they still make it with sucrose and notices the taste difference.

None of this is provable, of course.

Oh! Oh! If you ever go to Korea try '815'. It's a drink produced by some companies capitalizing on the anti-Americanism during the IMF bailout. 815 stands for August (8) fifteenth (15)--the date that Korea gained its independence from Japan (ironically thanks to the Americans). Anyway ... it's a great drink. Like Coke Classic but with some bite. ...

But what does this have to do with [)un&nz+[)r4&nz? ... You aren't suggesting that 4e is a giant conspiracy to get us to be thankful when we buy 5e are you? Methinks one werewolf was bitten by Oliver Stone.

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Hmmm... I always thought the Norwegian Coke tasted different than the US version of it. Also, you don't need to even travel to Costa Rica - we get Mexican-made Coke at some Mexican eateries here in Tucson, and the taste difference is umistakable.

I'm firmly in the sucrose camp myself. Booh corn syrup!

Liberty's Edge

Tarren Dei wrote:
Heathansson wrote:

You wanna switch Coke to high fructose corn syrup from sucrose. BUT that's going to change the flavor.

Whaddya do?
Introduce New Coke, it bombs, admit to failure, rerelease "Coke Classic" with high fructose corn syrup, and hope nobody ever goes to Costa Rica where they still make it with sucrose and notices the taste difference.

None of this is provable, of course.

Oh! Oh! If you ever go to Korea try '815'. It's a drink produced by some companies capitalizing on the anti-Americanism during the IMF bailout. 815 stands for August (8) fifteenth (15)--the date that Korea gained its independence from Japan (ironically thanks to the Americans). Anyway ... it's a great drink. Like Coke Classic but with some bite. ...

But what does this have to do with [)un&nz+[)r4&nz? ... You aren't suggesting that 4e is a giant conspiracy to get us to be thankful when we buy 5e are you? Methinks one werewolf was bitten by Oliver Stone.

No, though I can see where one might draw that inference.

I've just seen "New Coke" bandied about, and I figured a thread about
the high fructose corn syrup abomination known as "Coca Cola Classic" might be fun.


I'm not huge on sugar drinks, but when I have them I only want sugar, not corn syrup or aspartame. The latter pair are revolting.


You know, sad but true.. I read the first post and thought the entire thing was a metaphor for 4th Edition. I see where it might not be, now.

Lol.... The buzz gets to you after awhile.

I'm a Pepsi guy anyway...

Liberty's Edge

I just saw "New Coke" alluded to a lot and went off on a tangent.


I tried Canadian soda last time I was there, and it was wonderful! Not too sweet, and without the cloying disgustingness of corn syrup. *sighs*

EDIT: You know, because they use sugar in their sodas too.


A gas station near here stocks Mexican Coke. You can't return it for deposit (*beep* store does not accept this brand), but who gives a crap? It's cane sugar, in a glass bottle. SO, so good.

Around Passover, look for the coke and pepsi bottles with different caps. Chances are good they will be certified "kosher," and will contain cane sugar instead.


Ah, soda...my nemesis. Sweet caffeinated goodness. Crater Lake Soda has a damn tasty cream soda, and the cane sugar vs. high fructose corn syrup makes a big difference in mouthfeel.

Dark Archive

With enough whiskey in it, I don't care if it is New Coke or Classic.

Liberty's Edge

A dwarf that soils his whiskey with soda pop. Sad days.

Dark Archive

The Sybil spoke it as one of the signs of Ragnarok.

Liberty's Edge

Watcher wrote:
You know, sad but true.. I read the first post and thought the entire thing was a metaphor for 4th Edition.

I did, too.

Anyway, I'm more of a Mountain Dew guy.

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Watcher wrote:

You know, sad but true.. I read the first post and thought the entire thing was a metaphor for 4th Edition. I see where it might not be, now.

Lol.... The buzz gets to you after awhile.

I'm a Pepsi guy anyway...

AWESOME!

Ditto, btw. ;)


Steve Greer wrote:
Watcher wrote:

You know, sad but true.. I read the first post and thought the entire thing was a metaphor for 4th Edition. I see where it might not be, now.

Lol.... The buzz gets to you after awhile.

I'm a Pepsi guy anyway...

AWESOME!

Ditto, btw. ;)

Can we go back to the metaphor and extend it? What if people, on alternate bizzaro Earth, had started drinking Pepsi because they were mad at Coke for arbitrarily changing something that they liked? Even better, what if there was a user (drinker?) designed totally open source soda recipe on the net that everyone could make and it would be delicious, so that everyone could happily consume caffeinated beverages to their heart's delight without worrying about the fiat and whim of a cola company that made changes in secret without any input from their users. I'd drink that soda pop.

Or maybe that's just me being a carbonated gasbag.

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John Glass wrote:
Steve Greer wrote:
Watcher wrote:

You know, sad but true.. I read the first post and thought the entire thing was a metaphor for 4th Edition. I see where it might not be, now.

Lol.... The buzz gets to you after awhile.

I'm a Pepsi guy anyway...

AWESOME!

Ditto, btw. ;)

Can we go back to the metaphor and extend it? What if people, on alternate bizzaro Earth, had started drinking Pepsi because they were mad at Coke for arbitrarily changing something that they liked? Even better, what if there was a user (drinker?) designed totally open source soda recipe on the net that everyone could make and it would be delicious, so that everyone could happily consume caffeinated beverages to their heart's delight without worrying about the fiat and whim of a cola company that made changes in secret without any input from their users. I'd drink that soda pop.

Or maybe that's just me being a carbonated gasbag.

I'm telling you man 815! It's Coke with bite. ... Apparently, Heathenson wasn't being metaphorical. He was really talking about pop.

Liberty's Edge

What metaphor?

And why do we have to go to another foreign country to get something as innocuous as Coca Cola made right? It was invented here, wasn't it?


Heathansson wrote:

What metaphor?

And why do we have to go to another foreign country to get something as innocuous as Coca Cola made right? It was invented here, wasn't it?

Without spelling it out, what company that everyone on this board knows about is introducing a new product that makes the old one obsolete without giving the product's consumers much choice in the matter? I'm not naming any names, but they might be a subsidiary of Hasbro. If 4E sucks, will people say that it was a "New Coke" ploy to get people to demand the original?

Not that New Coke isn't a worthy subject of discussion, and I don't understand why we now have to get Coke from Mexico to get it in glass bottles either (at least, American Coke in glass bottles isn't available here in California). But it's just that the upcoming changes in "the world's most popular role playing game" invite a comparison to changes in the "world's most popular soft drink" if you feel like you liked the old "most popular" product just fine.

And there's a lesson that Coke and other companies should learn: you shouldn't change your flagship product in such a way that people don't recognize it as the original. Do you think that the New York Times, for example, *likes* having an extremely boring front page layout that looks like it came from the 19th century? No, it doesn't, but its readers would freak out if they changed the layout, because the readers expect that The New York Times will look the way they expect The New York Times to look. When the paper went from black and white to color photos about 10 years ago people were shocked and I'm sure many subscriptions were canceled.

Anyway, more than just a metaphor, I think it's a valid real-life lesson in how not to change your brand, too.

Liberty's Edge

My name is Chance the Gardener.

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I like diet coke, with all its aspartame-y goodness.

Sure, it'll give me cancer, but sugar would make me fat. Damn Donald Rumsfeld.

John Glass wrote:
Even better, what if there was a user (drinker?) designed totally open source soda recipe on the net that everyone could make and it would be delicious, so that everyone could happily consume caffeinated beverages to their heart's delight without worrying about the fiat and whim of a cola company that made changes in secret without any input from their users. I'd drink that soda pop.

Google 'Open Cola'. It exists. It also tastes NASTY.

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Heathansson wrote:
My name is Chance the Gardener.

Heathansson, Peter Sellers says you're old.

Liberty's Edge

Cool. I didn't Dennis Miller on that one.


After New Coke came out, I started drinking coffee.

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Heathansson wrote:
Cool. I didn't Dennis Miller on that one.

Heathansson, Dennis Miller says your references are too obscure.


Heathansson wrote:
My name is Chance the Gardener.

LOL

You're just talking about New Coke and everyone interprets your words as the esoteric sage wisdom of our time. Gorgeous.

Liberty's Edge

Wow. People know who Chance the Gardener and Dennis Miller are. ;)

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