This is a nice gesture, but I think it is a bit presumptuous to say you are the ONLY point of light.
Find us at www.3point75.org
Well, I put my money where my mouth was and signed the petition. Good luck with it!
Hopefully you can getting enough signatures to make a difference.
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You asked for it, now go for 3point75.
3POINT75 is the only point of light in the D&D Community. It is the makeshift home of dissapointed Players and Dungeon Masters alike, who wish to stick to their favorite game and polish it, rather than to buy a new game (again) they don't like.
Here you find
- central message boards for all 3.x diehearts
- petition for 3.75
- A list of all publishers who join the 3.75 callmore content to come as more refugees arive
Find us at
3point75.
fixed the linkies.
Thanks man!! We have already for 4 signatures in 1 hour. WOW!
That's really... uh... well, good luck to you!
I know - that's ironical marketing language ;o)
In fact every gamer that sticks to his favorite 3.x game (which he paid a lot of money for) holds a candle in his hands against the upcoming darkness!
I'm close to tears now...
Maybe you should post this to EN World as well. A lot of people go there for D&D News and you just might find some disgruntled people who'd be happy to sign your petition.
I'm just proud to be the 1st signer!
I've loved D&D (Basic, AD&D 1st & 2nd edition, 3.0 and 3.5) since 1981 and, for the first time, I'm prepared to call it quits. Not that I won't play anymore, but that I won't upgrade to a new edition and will refuse to support the makers of my favorite RPG.
Can you make it so it's not dark gray text against black? It's making it awfully difficult to read, and the older your intended audience, the more it's a pain in the butt. :)
May we know about your motivations? Who are you business, private? 3.75 might be a great idea if 4th ed. will be nothing more than making money (I know gaming industry is making money, but ...put the gaming back into the ...song!).
I know - that's ironical marketing language ;o)
In fact every gamer that sticks to his favorite 3.x game (which he paid a lot of money for) holds a candle in his hands against the upcoming darkness!
I'm close to tears now...Maybe you should post this to EN World as well. A lot of people go there for D&D News and you just might find some disgruntled people who'd be happy to sign your petition.
I'm just proud to be the 1st signer!
I've loved D&D (Basic, AD&D 1st & 2nd edition, 3.0 and 3.5) since 1981 and, for the first time, I'm prepared to call it quits. Not that I won't play anymore, but that I won't upgrade to a new edition and will refuse to support the makers of my favorite RPG.
I wouldn't bother. ENWorld has had an "under-the-table handshake" to be their 4E promoter because WotC knows the value of convincing the community at ENWorld to purchase 4E. Hence Morrus's "meeting" with WotC representatives at GenCon. ENWorld has become nothing but a huge "sell-out".
Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
fixed the linkies.You asked for it, now go for 3point75.
3POINT75 is the only point of light in the D&D Community. It is the makeshift home of dissapointed Players and Dungeon Masters alike, who wish to stick to their favorite game and polish it, rather than to buy a new game (again) they don't like.
Here you find
- central message boards for all 3.x diehearts
- petition for 3.75
- A list of all publishers who join the 3.75 callmore content to come as more refugees arive
Find us at
3point75.
I signed and did my part!
I wouldn't bother. ENWorld has had an "under-the-table handshake" to be their 4E promoter because WotC knows the value of convincing the community at ENWorld to purchase 4E. Hence Morrus's "meeting" with WotC representatives at GenCon. ENWorld has become nothing but a huge "sell-out".Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
Yeesh! That bites it. And here I thought EN World was "the place" to go for D&D-related news.
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I'm all for supporting 3.5 into the future, but am strongly against a 3.75. Every player has a different opinion as to what should change to make a 3.75 - between homebrews, house-rules, and several companies who have already published viable 3.5 variants (Arcana Evolved, Iron Heroes, True20) this is where the 3.5 community fragments. 3.5 is at least a common core that everyone understands and can relate to.
If you personally feel a need for a 3.75, there's nothing stopping you from homebrewing or house-ruling things in, like most of us have been doing since 1st Edition. There are a lot of products and resources out there (including WotC supplements, eg Unearthed Acana) to help you in this endeavour.
I'm all for supporting 3.5 into the future, but am strongly against a 3.75. Every player has a different opinion as to what should change to make a 3.75 - between homebrews, house-rules, and several companies who have already published viable 3.5 variants (Arcana Evolved, Iron Heroes, True20) this is where the 3.5 community fragments. 3.5 is at least a common core that everyone understands and can relate to.
If you personally feel a need for a 3.75, there's nothing stopping you from homebrewing or house-ruling things in, like most of us have been doing since 1st Edition. There are a lot of products and resources out there (including WotC supplements, eg Unearthed Acana) to help you in this endeavour.
I agree 3.5 all the way and you fix the rest with your house rules
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I wouldn't bother. ENWorld has had an "under-the-table handshake" to be their 4E promoter because WotC knows the value of convincing the community at ENWorld to purchase 4E. Hence Morrus's "meeting" with WotC representatives at GenCon. ENWorld has become nothing but a huge "sell-out".Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
Interesting ...
I had not heard about this Gen Con meeting. I also tended to think of EN World as more of a non biased site. Can anyone give more details on this or maybe cite the actual source of this info? Also, I wonder what, if any, WOTC did to convince Morrus to enter into this "under-the-table handshake"? Money? Threats ("We'll do everything we can to discredit you or get your site shut down")? Promises ("We'll give you free copies of every new 4E product that comes out")?
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I wouldn't bother. ENWorld has had an "under-the-table handshake" to be their 4E promoter because WotC knows the value of convincing the community at ENWorld to purchase 4E. Hence Morrus's "meeting" with WotC representatives at GenCon. ENWorld has become nothing but a huge "sell-out".Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
Interesting ...
I had not heard about this Gen Con meeting. I also tended to think of EN World as more of a non biased site. Can anyone give more details on this or maybe cite the actual source of this info? Also, I wonder what, if any, WOTC did to convince Morrus to enter into this "under-the-table handshake"? Money? Threats ("We'll do everything we can to discredit you or get your site shut down")? Promises ("We'll give you free copies of every new 4E product that comes out")?
I have to somewhat agree with Razz on this one. From what I've been reading there; EnWorld tends to be very pro-4th Edition. You usually get shot down if you post anything anti-4th Ed. Granted, they don't flame as much there as they do on the WOTC boards, but only 1 in 20 posters there are vocally against the rules change. And the admins there seem quite dedicated to only allowing threads praising the new edition. They don't even have a Concerns & Criticisms area to post threads in. It's sad because I used to really enjoy going there; now I feel like my feelings on this to be unwanted or unaccepted. Ironically, Eric Noah himself seems to be one of the biggest grognards there.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I am totally against 4th Edition and won't be buying ANY of the books. I was the second on petition for 3point75. I ultimately prefer to stay 3.5, but want to keep buying 3.5-compatible products. If this is the only way to do it; so be it.
/signed.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Re: Razz and dmchuckle's comments.
i'm not familiar enough with EnWorld to comment, but I did just see where a moederator threatened to ban someone over the standard 'they make a cream for that' comment in the thread "Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Warlocks are starting to grow on me.' thread. Talk about touchy.
I'll check out your website when I get home. What's your policy on posting original IP?
While it is true that there was a pre-gencon announcement meeting (which was openly announced on ENWorld), and one of the goals of said meeting was no doubt to get some folks in the community onboard with 4E as much as possible, I think suggesting coercion is silly. I've met both Rouse and Slasevick (sp?) a few times in passing, and they left me with a favorable impression. Sure, perhaps they cheerlead for 4E a bit much (welcome to the corporate world, sucks, eh?), but I think they genuinely love D&D and are trying to make the best game they can. Whether that game appeals to each of us is a different matter, but I don't think there is anything sinister going on here.
If you'll excuse me, I have to visit the WOTC office to get my programming updated. ;-)
Re: Razz and dmchuckle's comments.
i'm not familiar enough with EnWorld to comment, but I did just see where a moederator threatened to ban someone over the standard 'they make a cream for that' comment in the thread "Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Warlocks are starting to grow on me.' thread. Talk about touchy.
Agreed...I've not seen that thread, but what you describe is clearly excessive.
IIRC, Wizards of the Coast paid for Morrus (who runs EN World) to go to Gen Con. (Not sure if that included airfare [from England] and hotel, but I believe it did.)
Because of the way WotC has treated Morrus, and because EN World exists for gaming "scoops", it's easy to understand why there would be a pro-4E sentiment.
IIRC, Wizards of the Coast paid for Morrus (who runs EN World) to go to Gen Con. (Not sure if that included airfare [from England] and hotel, but I believe it did.)
Because of the way WotC has treated Morrus, and because EN World exists for gaming "scoops", it's easy to understand why there would be a pro-4E sentiment.
Damn the torpedoes! I just posted a link to the petition in EN Worlds 4th Edition Forum.
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I agree 3.5 all the way and you fix the rest with your house rulesI'm all for supporting 3.5 into the future, but am strongly against a 3.75. Every player has a different opinion as to what should change to make a 3.75 - between homebrews, house-rules, and several companies who have already published viable 3.5 variants (Arcana Evolved, Iron Heroes, True20) this is where the 3.5 community fragments. 3.5 is at least a common core that everyone understands and can relate to.
If you personally feel a need for a 3.75, there's nothing stopping you from homebrewing or house-ruling things in, like most of us have been doing since 1st Edition. There are a lot of products and resources out there (including WotC supplements, eg Unearthed Acana) to help you in this endeavour.
I think, essentially, that is exactly what people mean when they say 3.75. If people all come together and talk about house-rules and fixes, eventually some shing stars will stand above the others. If, at some point, FIX-for-Polymorph becomes standard 3.5 fare in MOST homebrews, then THAT is what is meant by 3.75.
The idea is more of a bottom up approach to fixing 3.5 than a top-down approach (4E).
It is funny to see how different the reactions can be, depending on which board you are ;o)
My lazy butt would LOVE you to post links to the threads on the other boards so I can easily see the different reactions. :)
Hey Brix,
Some suggested changes based on criticisms I'm reading over at EN World (caps and brackets are typed to show suggested changes). Feel free to disregard these suggestions, I'm just trying to pitch in:
3POINT75 is [A] point of light in the D&D Community. It is the makeshift home of disappointed Players and Dungeon Masters alike, who wish to stick to their favorite game and polish it, rather than [INVEST MONEY IN A NEW EDITION OF D&D THAT COMPLETELY OVERHAULS THE GAME IN SUCH A RADICAL MANNER.]
Here you [WILL] find:
- central message boards for all 3.x [FANS]
- [A] petition [ASKING PUBLISHERS TO CONTINUE TO PRINT 3.X COMPATIBLE MATERIALS]
- A list of all publishers who [WILL CONTINUE TO PRINT 3.X COMPATIBLE MATERIALS]
Find us at www.3point75.org
Wow,
Didn't take long for hostility to start on the EN boards.
I don't know if it's typical, but I'm mortified
Yeah, a lot of the posters are unnecessarily hostile. You'd think WotC was paying them to trash those who aren't keen on 4th edition.
I really don't get it...
Signed up. I also put up an announcement about the petition on the mindflayer.de boards.
I wouldn't bother. ENWorld has had an "under-the-table handshake" to be their 4E promoter because WotC knows the value of convincing the community at ENWorld to purchase 4E. Hence Morrus's "meeting" with WotC representatives at GenCon. ENWorld has become nothing but a huge "sell-out".Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
You, too?
See, it's gone this far: I agree with Razz. ;-)
I also got a three-day-ban out of the blue. They needn't have bothered with the three day part, as that was the list time I ever post there.
Sell-out indeed.
Except here. Home of freedom of DND speech.
I really don't understand how such a pro-4E sentiment survives amidst WotC's horrid PR and the really cruddy 4E mechanics we have seen so far. They must be bribing people to spread 4E enthusism and rabidly attack anti-4E posters on various messageboards.
Funny you should talk about bribes in the same thread someone mentions ENWorld... :D
I really don't understand how such a pro-4E sentiment survives amidst WotC's horrid PR and the really cruddy 4E mechanics we have seen so far. They must be bribing people to spread 4E enthusism and rabidly attack anti-4E posters on various messageboards.Funny you should talk about bribes in the same thread someone mentions ENWorld... :D
For all of the "I'm not switching to to 4th edition posts" I've read, I'm shocked by how few people have signed the petition to keep 3.X alive.
I'm really worried that, in order to continue playing D&D and have materials to use, I'll have to scoff up as much stuff as humanly possible while I still can. The thought that 3.X will not have continued support as of spring of 2008 is a grim one.
As for trashing EN World, I think that's unnecessary. His latest post has convinced me that Morris is trying to stay objective, even if his forums are full of trolls.
For all of the "I'm not switching to to 4th edition posts" I've read, I'm shocked by how few people have signed the petition to keep 3.X alive.I'm really worried that, in order to continue playing D&D and have materials to use, I'll have to scoff up as much stuff as humanly possible while I still can. The thought that 3.X will not have continued support as of spring of 2008 is a grim one.
My guess is the 3.75 is throwing people off. I don't want 3.75 I want 3.5 that I can tailor if I like. I like the thought of having a place though where house rules are available to stea... I mean to inspire me.
As for trashing EN World, I think that's unnecessary. His latest post has convinced me that Morris is trying to stay objective, even if his forums are full of trolls.
Can be sincere, but doesn't have to be. I didn't see his face when he wrote it. I know I didn't see any f4nboy being reprimanded. Maybe I just didn't see it and they're shooting at them from the hip, too, or maybe not. I know that they definetly shoot down those who don't like 4e, and every excuse is used to ban people.
I wouldn't bother. ENWorld has had an "under-the-table handshake" to be their 4E promoter because WotC knows the value of convincing the community at ENWorld to purchase 4E. Hence Morrus's "meeting" with WotC representatives at GenCon. ENWorld has become nothing but a huge "sell-out".
Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No warning? Are you serious? Really Razz I think you and reality parted company a long time ago. Keep that ball of hate alive though (and don't forget to pirate those 4E books when they comes out!).
You, too?
See, it's gone this far: I agree with Razz. ;-)
I also got a three-day-ban out of the blue. They needn't have bothered with the three day part, as that was the list time I ever post there.
Sell-out indeed.
Maybe you should, y'know, respect the rules of the boards n' stuff. I love the self-pity that oozes out of this post. It's like squishy jam.
Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.
No, you got banned for posting multiple troll messages and topics much like this one and for ignoring express Moderator wishes; you were warned, more than once but I guess you felt that that didn't apply to you. So, don't come here and go 'Waaah, they banned me out of the blue because I don't like 4E', since that's just a plain out lie.
First you were banned from the 4E forum, but you had to keep kicking over the anthill and started another trollish topic even after being warned. Just looking back at previous posts, you and others were asked more than a few times to tone down the attitude, rhetoric, pot-stirring, and straight out misinformation. Most of the rest slacked off and you didn't. That kind of stuff got you banned.
There are still plenty of anti-4E posts and topics and they don't get banned because they don't continually kick it up to the next level over and over. They didn't take the fast-train to crazy town like you did, conjuring up imagined conspiracy theories and the like.
I dont post much at EN world anymore because of Pro 4E extremist treatment of people not on the 4E wagon. That said, EN world CANT change. If they start to develop more negativity towards 4E, WotC will likely keep them out of the loop and they will become just another rpg forum. If that happens the site will die or shrink to a fraction of what it was. (i.e. If EN world cant keep the anti- 4E to a minimum, they wont have the "insider" status much longer).
Its the same with all these designers afraid to say that they dont like the changes in 4E or the ones that all of a sudden embrace 4E. They wont get get future work writing for the new 4E, if they are seen making negative comments about it.
So as far as being fair, I see their hands as being tied.
On the fair side for ENworld, they banned someone very recently who flamed me about my negative 4E comment within an hour of posting it iirc. But I still believe that to be a rare occurence as opposed to the times they took the hammer to the anti-4E posters.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No warning?
I didn't have one. Plus I wasn't insulting anyone. They put those words in my mouth and banned me for it.
It seems the Divine Champion of EN World and Wizards has arrived. I never knew you can champion two things. One must be an aspect of the other.
Maybe you should, y'know, respect the rules of the boards n' stuff. I love the self-pity that oozes out of this post. It's like squishy jam.
maybe you should take a big ole cup of shut the f**k up.
they have gotten into the habit of not informing posters of bans for some st00pid reason.
IIRC, Wizards of the Coast paid for Morrus (who runs EN World) to go to Gen Con. (Not sure if that included airfare [from England] and hotel, but I believe it did.)
Because of the way WotC has treated Morrus, and because EN World exists for gaming "scoops", it's easy to understand why there would be a pro-4E sentiment.
I am not going to bash EN World, but I am considering it more of an 4E "information" site rather than a news reporting agency any longer.
Again, not to be unpleasant, but I'm not expecting to the Ennie awards to be without bias either. And that's a real shame.
Again, not to be unpleasant, but I'm not expecting to the Ennie awards to be without bias either. And that's a real shame.
I wouldn't worry about the Ennies being biased at all. The judges have been very good about the process and heck, one of them even blogged his whole experience last year.
Can't get much more open than that.
Gentlemen, please remember that we're all friends here. We may think that some of the views expressed here or at ENworld are sadly misguided, but we all agree on a lot more than we disagree about.
Now, I'm not running anything here (besides my mouth), but I don't think that the Paizo guys want their site to become the home of frothing 4.0 aggravation. Please keep it civil.