Unless you plan not to convert to 4th edition, is there any logical reason to pick up any of the books that Wizards of the Coast is putting out in the months leading up to 4th? I picked up Exemplars of Evil and thumbed through it, thought to myself "why bother?" and then put it down on the shelf and left my FLGS.
Even if I was sticking with 3.5, I'd just wait for these books to go to the bargain bin...
Is anyone buying these books?
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I have most of the 3.5 books. When i say 3.5 books, i mean books like Complete Adventurer, etc. I've considered picking up the rest but just may sell everything i have while they still hold a dollar value. I have quite a few items, have no doubt.
All this being said, i will always collect the great modules, no matter what edition, for i would fall under the rare group of DM's that has never had a problem with adjusting said modules to fit the edition of rules being played.
Hmmm, tell you what(and i'm directing this question to all readers), before i list everything on Ebay, i will list here first on Paizo, so my Paizo brothers and sisters will have first dibs.
Illithiads Rule!
Thoth wiggles his tendrils in a hypnotic fashion
i've considered getting that rules compendium that's coming out in OCtober incase the whol 4.0 goess bust. I dunno. I might pick up stuff at halfprice books. I just grabbed sandstorm there yesterday. Someone went crazy and sold off their 3.5 collection already
lol
Good point. I do not play 3.5 and do not plan to play 4e. I might pick up good fluff for converting to my system of choice and waiting until all the 3.5 stuff hits Half Priced Books seems like a good strategy to me.
Exactly... There's only a few things being released in the next few months, so why buy them? Why even release anything besides minis, unless the size catagories are being screwed with as well?
In a way I'm grateful to Wizards for teaching me an important lesson: Don't buy anything but the core rule books, and modules, since its all just going to be obsolete in seven or eight years. This is going to save me a fortune!
Exactly... There's only a few things being released in the next few months, so why buy them?
you must buy them anyway! all the money goes to making 4e even greater!
I don't know. Sebastian, what should I do?
Because WotC makes the best products known to man. Even if you don't play with the material in the 3.5 books, you could use them to say, wallpaper your baby's room. Or make folding cranes. If you can fold over 1,000, you may even save the cheerleader.
Or the waitress.
Or maybe not.
And most importantly, because I need a new panda-skin rug for the guest bedroom on my yacht.
In a way I'm grateful to Wizards for teaching me an important lesson:
…or use a different system.
I'm torn. I love buying books (I'm a collector of D&D what can I say) but at the same time I don't want to pick up books I won't use. It depends on how well they are written, illustrated and whether they can be converted to 4e down the track (anything's possible).
...but at the same time I don't want to pick up books I won't use.
I'm right there with you. For the past several years even, I've gone over the releases with a critical eye. Each time I bought something, it was for my games that I was running. On the rare occasion I would buy something that I just thought was a great book to have.
Now that 3.5 is going away, I'm even less inclined to buy any 3.5 books, on sale or not.
Having said that... I have bought the Greyhawk book from the Paizo site, becasue I love Greyhawk.
And... I've been looking over half.com for any great buys. There are many out there to be had. But still, I don't see myself spending even $5 on a 3.5 book that I don't need for my campaign.
I still don't know when I'll make the switch to 4th Ed, though. So maybe those books will end up in my library sometime next year.
Several of the 3.5 books will receive 4E updates per Scott Rouse.
(The following is taken from EN World's Unofficial News Page)
Scott Rouse on releases prior to 4E:
There are books and products not tied to any edition (edition proof):
Dungeon Tiles
Dice
Three Dragon Ante
Inn Fighting
Dungeon Survival Guide
Grand History of the Realms
Eberron Survival Guide
There are books and products that will get a 4e update:
Exemplars of Evil
Elder Evils
Dragons of Eberron
Eberron City of Stormreach
Desert of Desolation DDM
and there are products that are 4e previews or feature final 4e rules:
Wizards Presents: Classes and Races
Wizards Presents: Worlds and Monsters
Grand History of the Realms
Desert of Desolation DDM
Keep on the Shadowfell
Dungeons of Dread DDM
DDM Starter
Desert of Desolation DDM
Dungeons of Dread DDM
DDM Starter
DDM?
Does that stand for "Dance Dance Munchkin-Revolution"?:D
While I'm excited about 4th Edition and intend on switching, I rather resent the way WotC has handled the whole announcement and treatment of the fanbase. I've got more than enough 3.5 content to last me until my current campaign is over and then some. Therefore, unless I find some really insane deals, I do not intend to buy anymore 3.5 books from WotC. (Before the announcement of 4th Ed, I had planned to buy Stormwrack, the Spell and Magic Item Compendiums, Complete Champion, Expedition to Ravenloft and Demonweb and also to treat myself to the leather bound core books.)
I suspect that I'll still buy some more minis and map products (I'd like to buy the Gargantuan Blue Dragon and Aspect of Tiamat for the finale of my Red Hand of Doom campaign). I also plan on buying the STAP when the Hardbound compilation is released but then that's a 3.5 Paizo book and not WotC...
I also plan on buying the STAP when the Hardbound compilation is released but then that's a 3.5 Paizo book and not WotC...
???
Have you read something the rest of us haven't? I'm all for wishful thinking, but the AoW AP came first, and I don't think they're coming out w/ a hardbound compilation of that either. Sad to say.
I also plan on buying the STAP when the Hardbound compilation is released but then that's a 3.5 Paizo book and not WotC...???
Have you read something the rest of us haven't? I'm all for wishful thinking, but the AoW AP came first, and I don't think they're coming out w/ a hardbound compilation of that either. Sad to say.
yeah i thought Wotc wouldnt sign off on those.
i would fall under the rare group of DM's that has never had a problem with adjusting said modules to fit the edition of rules being played.
I don't think they are that rare, my friend. You don't hear from us because we don't whine about rules changes.
Have you read something the rest of us haven't? I'm all for wishful thinking, but the AoW AP came first, and I don't think they're coming out w/ a hardbound compilation of that either. Sad to say.yeah i thought Wotc wouldnt sign off on those.
Wait, WotC has to sign-off on Paizo doing a reprint of their own adventures?!
Well s***, I guess I better go check which issues of Dungeon I already have and start ordering back issues then. dskfha8ew7rt4rkdf >:\
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No need for Rules Compendium. Our group gets most of its rules hunting accomplished with PHB and DMG. If we can't come up with a rule, we tend to make a ruling but make it "subject to change." It's worked thus far.
That said, I intend to buy the last of the FRCS Shade trilogy and probably the Fortress of the Yuan-ti.
I've no desire to buy anything else 3.5.
I'm also not sold yet on 4e. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised. But truth be told, even if I am, my purchases will be significantly restricted. I don't want to fall prey to the marketing of the Wizard. I.e.,
PHB, DMG, MM, Psionics, and *perhaps* Forgotten Realms. (And Paizo adventures, should it convert.)
Wait, WotC has to sign-off on Paizo doing a reprint of their own adventures?!
Well s***, I guess I better go check which issues of Dungeon I already have and start ordering back issues then. dskfha8ew7rt4rkdf >:\
That's the problem. They aren't Paizo's.
They are WoTC's. WoTC's license, WoTC's property.
Sucks, I know.
You can read them for free at Borders Books. Just bring your laptop along with you and you can type in notes too. Hell, bring a scanner with you.
well, i just bought monster manual ii, monster manual v, expidition to castle greyhawk, and expidition to undermountain. i want to get expidition to demonweb pits (but thats just to complete the collection)
as far as the complete series, i have adventurer, but im not sure i want the others. i should get them, just cause.
i will buy 4e.
i had bought 2e, and never played it. i was a 1e snob. i may go back to 1e.
but i will still buy 4e. and i will be an insider subscriber. im a sucker for electronic dm tools. i buy them all.
I'm torn. I love buying books (I'm a collector of D&D what can I say) but at the same time I don't want to pick up books I won't use. It depends on how well they are written, illustrated and whether they can be converted to 4e down the track (anything's possible).
I confess that I might eventually pick-up the core books (i.e., DMG, PHB, MM) for 4th Ed out of habit, but I probably won't buy anything beyond that. I have a half-a-dozen or less 3.5 books (and the core books are three of these), and less than 20 3+3.5 books all together (and some of these I won at CONS).
The Internet is fantastic. I can always find a group that wants to play earlier editions or other RPG systems. The problem that I ran into trying to DM 3rd Ed was that as new supplements came out, the new feats, etc. really had huge impacts on the gaming system. Unless I was buying all the books and really trying to figure out what the impacts were, and I just could not keep up.
D&D has seemed to mirror the gaming currents at the time. 3 & 3.5 took on the collectible aspect of Magic the Gathering. 4th Ed is going to focus more on the on-line aspects ala World of Warcraft on-line.
If you are in a school setting, either high school or college, then I can imagine that getting 4th Ed would help you relate to the gaming opportunities that will be available. When you are out in a career with family concerns, etc., getting into 4th Ed is probably less appealing.
In service,
Rich
As Swirler mentioned earlier in the thread, there's a chain called Half Price Books, kind of a used book store chain on a HUGE scale. Someone in the retail market is dumping their D&D stock in a big way. I've seen the large numbers of individual books show up in the last month as people clear out their 3.5 stuff (and I've manged to pick up some of the last books on my want list!), but when I went by there yesterday, they had just put out SHELF LOADS of 3.5 material. All new books, multiple copies of everything. Leather DM Manuals, Tome of Battle, tons of FR books, Spell Compendiums, Races of... books, etc. The only 3.5 books they didn't have any of were the Complete books.
A sales rep confirmed they came from the retail market but didn't know who was clearing out...
As Swirler mentioned earlier in the thread, there's a chain called Half Price Books, kind of a used book store chain on a HUGE scale. Someone in the retail market is dumping their D&D stock in a big way. I've seen the large numbers of individual books show up in the last month as people clear out their 3.5 stuff (and I've manged to pick up some of the last books on my want list!), but when I went by there yesterday, they had just put out SHELF LOADS of 3.5 material. All new books, multiple copies of everything. Leather DM Manuals, Tome of Battle, tons of FR books, Spell Compendiums, Races of... books, etc. The only 3.5 books they didn't have any of were the Complete books.
A sales rep confirmed they came from the retail market but didn't know who was clearing out...
sweet!!!
Christmas came early!!!!woo hoo!!
crap,
we are trying to buy a house
grrrrrr
You can read them for free at Borders Books. Just bring your laptop along with you and you can type in notes too. Hell, bring a scanner with you.
Wow, that was immature...not even sure where to start.
Bah...forget it...just grow up.
If you are in a school setting, either high school or college, then I can imagine that getting 4th Ed would help you relate to the gaming opportunities that will be available. When you are out in a career with family concerns, etc., getting into 4th Ed is probably less appealing.
I completely disagree...
College students usually have much less money than those finished with school and working. My whole group consists of 30 somethings with new families, etc, and we're all converting to 4e when it's released.
Pretty indicative of other groups I know of as well.
Here's a good place to start: ILLEGAL.You can read them for free at Borders Books. Just bring your laptop along with you and you can type in notes too. Hell, bring a scanner with you.
Wow, that was immature...not even sure where to start.
Bah...forget it...just grow up.
Thanks! That was the word I was looking for!
The Rules Compendium is supposed to have "designer notes" explaining why some of the rules function the way they do, and/or what the designer intent was for some of the rules. Even if I never use the book at a game session, if there's enough of that sort of thing in it, it'll be worth it to me just for the fun of reading and discussing those notes.
you could use them to say, wallpaper your baby's room.
Huh. Well crap. I just found a use for my 3.0 triple play and clear acrylic finish.
Thanks.
Actually, there's not a whole lot of reason to buy new 3.5 books, which is kind of why there aren't any coming out. If you've looked at the release lists, there's a lot of non-mechanical stuff - coffeetable books, Big Books O' Fluff, stuff like that. There's two Eberron books, one villian book, the Rules Compendium, and that's it... and those look to be more fluff than crunch, too. The Rules Compendium actually looks like it's a Great Big Book of Sidebars.
Thanks! That was the word I was looking for!Here's a good place to start: ILLEGAL.You can read them for free at Borders Books. Just bring your laptop along with you and you can type in notes too. Hell, bring a scanner with you.
Wow, that was immature...not even sure where to start.
Bah...forget it...just grow up.
Is it illegal? I don't think so.
Now, Borders could (and probably should) promptly kick you out if you go into their store and start scanning books. (You've gone from "browse" to "sale deprivation".)
But what he's describing is perfectly legal (except, perhaps, the scanning part). After all, you can do all of this at your local library. Now, if the person were then to *distribute* the material, then, yes, it is illegal. However, the post makes no mention of this.
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Thanks! That was the word I was looking for!Here's a good place to start: ILLEGAL.You can read them for free at Borders Books. Just bring your laptop along with you and you can type in notes too. Hell, bring a scanner with you.
Wow, that was immature...not even sure where to start.
Bah...forget it...just grow up.
Riddle me this: how conceivably doable would it be to scan a 100 something page book in the middle of freakin' Borders without getting caught and ejected from the aforementioned establishment?
Let the lady vent and say her sarcastic piece.
yeah, seemed like a joke to me
*shrugs*
In a way I'm grateful to Wizards for teaching me an important lesson: Don't buy anything but the core rule books, and modules, since its all just going to be obsolete in seven or eight years. This is going to save me a fortune!
I hear that! When 4E hits, I plan on picking up the Core Rule Books, decent Adventure Modules, and that is it*!
* Of course some third party books. assuming they exist, may be worth picking up (i.e. Tome of Horrors 4E, the Dungeon Crawl Classics line, and of course Pathfinder!)
Personally I don't plan on buying any 4e edition books until I'm certain they're not a waste of money. For instance, if Wizards pulls the B.S. they did by reselling 3rd edition as 3.5, I want to wait until it comes out and save myself the trouble.
For instance, if Wizards pulls the B.S. they did by reselling 3rd edition as 3.5, I want to wait until it comes out and save myself the trouble.
…so 2008?
Do we have a pool yet?
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For instance, if Wizards pulls the B.S. they did by reselling 3rd edition as 3.5, I want to wait until it comes out and save myself the trouble.…so 2008?
Do we have a pool yet?
They're shrewder than that. They'll give people just long enough to think they're safe buying the 4.0 books. My guess is a press release inserted into each copy of the 4E PHB will promise that there will be no revised edition of the game, and after reading the statement the book will then give its new owner a loving, tender hug.
Playtesting for 4.5 will secretly begin at Dave Noonan's house in December 2007. It should be on the shelves by GenCon 2009.
I never got "Complete Fishwife."
Arrrrrrgh. ;)
No, that's "Complete Pirates"
I never got "Complete Fishwife."
Arrrrrrgh. ;)
Oh, Damn! I so wanted that one!
I heard that Complete Pirate got taken out by Complete Ninja on the cutting room floor. Of course, no one can actually see Complete Ninja so we're kinda out of both books now...
*shrugs*
I heard that Complete Pirate got taken out by Complete Ninja on the cutting room floor. Of course, no one can actually see Complete Ninja so we're kinda out of both books now...
*shrugs*
nope
I heard complete ninja went to kill complete pirate but complete pirate was out drinking and instead complete ninja got caught up in a fight between complete astronaut and complete caveman. I heard complete caveman ate complete ninja, hence the not findin him but.course I heard all this from complete fanboi and you know what a complete jerk he is.
course I heard all this from complete fanboi and you know what a complete jerk he is.
Hmm, if Complete Fanboi is anything like Complete Fangrrl then just feel fortunate if You escaped without gaining a new stalker. There's a reason we elves value a good Hide modifier:
"That's no moon..."
*shudder*