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I know we already have a thread about Snape, but I thought that was pretty specific. So this can be about anything else Potter-related.
As for me, I have a quick something. Last night, Mrs. Zombie and I were channel surfing for something to watch while we ate, and came across the first movie one ABC Family. It was right about when the introduced Hagrid and I realized that his title at Hogwarts is Keeper of Keys and Grounds. In the book, she even labeled his intor chapter as "The Keeper of the Keys".
And there is my question - What keys?
Are they the keys to the vaults at Gringots? The keys to Hogwarts? Or are they something more?
Anyway, just something I noticed and thought I'd mention.
Also, I saw an article today that she changed the last word of the book from "scar" to something else. Interesting!
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Also, I saw an article today that she changed the last word of the book from "scar" to something else. Interesting!
The darling wife is more of a potter-phile than I am; but in her version of the rumor, the ending of the book had been changed while retaining the same final sentence (including "scar"). Supposedly, this had been done because of leaks of the original ending. Ah well, who knows...
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The darling wife is more of a potter-phile than I am; but in her version of the rumor, the ending of the book had been changed while retaining the same final sentence (including "scar"). Supposedly, this had been done because of leaks of the original ending. Ah well, who knows...
Also, I saw an article today that she changed the last word of the book from "scar" to something else. Interesting!
She did an interview on UK TV on Friday night and confirmed that scar has been changed. Also she reiterated that two main characters die.
More interesting was another guest Bob Hoskins, wanted a part in a film and she may have one.
Cheers
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Well, I went ahead and read what is purported to be the first page of the last chapter. Not sure if it was the real thing, but it very well could be.
Apparently, some poor bastard with WAY too much time on his hands posted the first 495 pages on the internet as individual picture files. If that could happen, then the picture I was sent could very well be the real deal.
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Here is an interesting article written by one of the people who received an early copy from DeepDiscount.com
Here is an interesting article written by one of the people who received an early copy from DeepDiscount.com
WOW! That is intereseting, getting a copy earlier. Now that is lucky, but then getting the phone calls is alittle freaky
My girlfriend and quite a few friends are huge fans, so there's been a lot of speculation in our little group. Some people think Harry will die, others think Harry will live, someone who was sure he was going to die has changed their mind and decided he'll survive. Everyone has different ideas about the ending.
My guess is this (I'll put a spolier on it in case I'm right, so no-one can claim I ruined it for them!)
Harry has the same power as his mother, and I think he will use it in the last book to save Ron and/or Hermione when someone tries to kill them. The good guys will destroy all the Horcruxes and in the last battle when the Death Eaters try to kill Harry's friends they will die, and when Voldemort tries to kill Harry, he will only hit the shield Harry's mum made which is his own last remaining life and destroy that, thus destroying himself. The only problem with this guess is that it leaves Harry dead, as he sacrificed his own (real) life force to protect his mates. I don't think Rowling would kill Harry, but that's meta-game thinking... she might.
Anyway that's what I'd do. It has some plot holes so I'm sure I'm not totally right (heh, I'm probably talking complete rubbish!) but it's fun to guess.
Tonight I'm going with the family to Festival 9 3/4, in which they turn the town of Princeton, IL into Harry Potter land. They did this for the previous release party. This is going to be a blast.
So, quick as you can say alohomora, we're off.
I got the book. I'm not going to read it just yet. I want to reread the 6th one. I'm beting Harry and Voldemort will end up killing each other.
Fizz
Now some one go and reply to my harry potter wizard class thread!!!
My girlfriend and quite a few friends are huge fans, so there's been a lot of speculation in our little group. Some people think Harry will die, others think Harry will live, someone who was sure he was going to die has changed their mind and decided he'll survive. Everyone has different ideas about the ending.
My guess is this (I'll put a spolier on it in case I'm right, so no-one can claim I ruined it for them!) ** spoiler omitted **
Anyway that's what I'd do. It has some plot holes so I'm sure I'm not totally right (heh, I'm probably talking complete rubbish!) but it's fun to guess.
Kahoolin - you are almost right :)
It that what everyone was doing today?
LOL Oddly anough yeah. It's actually my birthday to boot. I was standing in line to get the book at midnight humming happy birthday to myself. My fiancé is away so it's just me and harry potter. It's bad anough I look like him...my friends and fiance and coworkers make fun of me all the time. I guess it could be worse.
Fizz
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I had the book and was on my way home within 7 minutes of release. I read until about 5:00 am, then slept until about 8:30 am. Once I was awake again I ate breakfast, then read pretty much straight through until I finished it at about 5:00 pm.
All in all, I thought the book was one of the better ones. It had lots of action. There were some deaths that didn't surprise me, and others that did. Overall, I give the book two thumbs up.
The only thing I didn't really like about the book is that it left a lot of small things unsaid.
Overall I thought that the book was reasonable. I definately do think that the last four or five chapters make up for the rest of the book which often seemed slightly ill paced in places. There were definately moments when I thought "There are more questions? How are they all going to get answered?" And there are, and probably always will be, a few lingering ones that don't get answered from previous books.
Harry also blacks out way too many times for my liking. A bit too sloppy on J K Rowlings part.
Also, I was expecting someone more major to die than those who did.
Got it Saturday, but the weekend was full of PnP, only made to page 350 early this morning when my eyes said "Stop, I'm putting you to sleep now." So far not bad, plods in some spots.
Harry will die at the end. If I'm wrong, I'll eat a kobolds boxers.
I'd say you'd have to eat half of those boxers. He kinda died then came back. So tell me what they taste like,'cause I've never eaten any boxers, let alone kolbold boxers! Eat up!
Done.
But I won't tell you what happened. ;)
Finished on Sunday. I give you this much: I would be surprised if there were more Harry Potter books coming.
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Maybe I read through the book to fast, but now, the more I think about it, the more problems I had with the book.
All in all, these were just a few of the things I've come to not like about the book. I still think the book was OK, but am less satisfied than I was.
And a note to Aramil Xiloscient above - next time try to hide spoilers. Some people might look at this thread before they finished the book.
Ok now I feel alittle bitter sweet. I finished the 7th book and I liked it, but I feel like I lost a friend. I’m in my very early 20’s so I’ve grown up with these books. I won’t have another midnight premier waiting in line seeing people dressed up. I won’t stay up for two days reading a book I can’t put down. It’s all alittle sad for me. I know it may seem alittle pathetic, but I don’t care I didn’t want it to end and honestly thought it wouldn’t
Fizz
I just finished it. Oh man, I cried. Not kidding. I liked it and I'm sad its over. I agree with Aberzombie on the little plot holes but overall I thought it was good. She did well, in my book.
Ok now I feel alittle bitter sweet. I finished the 7th book and I liked it, but I feel like I lost a friend. I’m in my very early 20’s so I’ve grown up with these books. I won’t have another midnight premier waiting in line seeing people dressed up. I won’t stay up for two days reading a book I can’t put down. It’s all alittle sad for me. I know it may seem alittle pathetic, but I don’t care I didn’t want it to end and honestly thought it wouldn’t
I agree with you. I loved the books and was one of the many that dressed up and love too. My 11 mon old loved it and now she won't be able to do it again, which is kind of sad.
Fizzban and Kadrenis I was saying the same to my family after I finished it! For me in 5th grade it was the first book I really read all the way through by my self for no reason other then that I liked it and after that I have read tons and tons more books it kind of started it all and well I feel the same as Fizzban as if a old friend has died I mean I will never be able to read it in two days or be anti-social while doing so or think about how wonderful it would be if it were all real while reading it. I mean Its really been there for me all through middle school and High School and now I’m about to go to college and its like its letting me go to grow up or something its actually really got me down I’m quiet sad about it I mean I’m not crying or you know really really sad but kind of off like my days been ruined for the last few days or so you know..... Anyway
To Harry Potter, Ron, and Hermione!! You weren’t real but we all loved being your friends!!!!
Okay, all done, would have been done sooner, but hubby and I went to Frisco for a couple of days. I am quite pleased, aaand, I can't wait for the movie, those last few chapters are gonna rock on the big screen!
Hooray! Been waiting impatiently for my wife to finish reading it (gave her first crack as I wasn't sure I was ready to read it yet and she needed something to keep herself from staring at the ceiling while our newborn sleeps, as she hasn't been able to force herself to sleep when he sleeps yet) for the last few days. She was being nice and trying not to talk about it, though she did describe it as a "bloodbath." Huge read; was awesome though, think in all it took a good 12 hours, but I mowed through it hardcore (which is a good indicator I liked it).
My final impression is this: It is a fantastic tool for teaching kids about World War II, and I think if more young teens read it, maybe there won't be another one. It annoys me a little with the whole Jesus mythos (maybe I'm reading too much into it), but overall, I loved it.
On to the spoilers!
Maybe I read through the book to fast, but now, the more I think about it, the more problems I had with the book.
I thought that Wormtails death was foolish. He's choking Harry, eases up, then his own hand turns against him? Why? He stopped killing Harry, which means he was obeying Voldemort's orders to leave Harry alive. Why punish him for that?
I think because he genuinely felt either remorse or mercy towards Harry or his parents, who he betrayed to Voldemort, or felt indebted in some small way to Harry for sparing his life. Internally, he knew he had unconsciously "betrayed" Voldemort, and the hand, which had been granted to him by the same, knew it as well and murdered him.
Tonks and Lupin. Rowling spent books 6&7 building up these to characters and their relationship only to have them all of a sudden show up dead? It seems like she killed them just to have someone to kill.
I think that's exactly why she did it. Unlike Dobby’s death, which had meaning (and was probably the only death in the book that actually affected me), their death's were meant to show just how senseless and callous the whole thing was. I think Tonk's was added to show that death is indiscriminate in wartime, with their recent joy (the birth and reunification) backlighting the tragedy. Honestly, I was pretty sure Lupin was done for after the whole contrived popping in to announce the child bit, but Nymphadora's death was surprising.
Voldemort kills Snape because the Elder Wand isn't working for him. Yet afterwards, the wand still isn't working as it is supposed to, but Voldemort doesn't realize it?
That one I agree with. While he didn't necessarily try it on anyone before the duel, you think he'd have known, eh? Maybe he could possibly believe anything but the fact that he'd finally triumphed.
While Harry is faking his death in the Forbidden Forest, Voldemort uses the Cruciatis curse on the "body" to humiliate it. Yet the magic causes the body to fly up in the air, which is not the usual effect of that spell.
There are several instances of Cruciatis being combined with a levicorpus style effect, although I can't say offhand if they weren't first definitively levitated.
Also, if the Elder Wand didn't work against Harry in the final duel because he was its master, then why did it work on him in the Forbidden Forest. I guess it can be said because Harry wanted it to work, but that seems rather forced to me.
Because he didn't actually kill Harry with it at all. He killed "himself," and the wand worked just fine on him.
I finished hp7 on Sunday. I really enjoyed it and I have no desire to pick it apart for flaws.
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Has anyone read the transcript of the Q&A session Rowling did online the other day? It had some interesting information in their about the future of some of the character's, other naggin questions, etc. I especially liked that
Ron goes to work with George at the joke shop, and George names his firstborn son Fred.
The fact that Winky the house elf, although still hooked on Butterbeer, was one of those who swarmed from the kitchen at Hogwarts to attack the Deatheaters.
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Has anyone read the transcript of the Q&A session Rowling did online the other day? It had some interesting information in their about the future of some of the character's, other naggin questions, etc. I especially liked that
** spoiler omitted **
Where is this Q&A? I've read a few, but don't recall some of the things mentioned in the spoilers ...
Thanks!
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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And here I scoffed at Dumbledore being dead because his symbol was the phoenix. Oh well live and learn.
I liked the book, though it still suffered from the same passive protagonist syndrome as the other books in the series (though to a much lesser degree). That's my biggest complaint about the series in general, most of the time the plot hooks/solutions fall into Harry's lap (e.g., the fact that touching him killed Quirrel in the first book, the phoenix bringing by the sword in the second book). This book had a lot of that stuff (Snape leading him to the sword, the trip to Malfoy manor, the discovery that the sword in the vault was a fake, etc.)
Harry has a very generous DM, willing to hit him over the head with plot hooks until he bites.
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Ok now I feel alittle bitter sweet. I finished the 7th book and I liked it, but I feel like I lost a friend. I’m in my very early 20’s so I’ve grown up with these books. I won’t have another midnight premier waiting in line seeing people dressed up. I won’t stay up for two days reading a book I can’t put down. It’s all alittle sad for me. I know it may seem alittle pathetic, but I don’t care I didn’t want it to end and honestly thought it wouldn’t
Fizz
Actually, I was thinking about this myself. I came onto the scene quite late in the game, but I remember when the first two books were published--I couldn't recall a time when a children's book had taken so much CNN airtime. I ignored the books until The Goblet of Fire came out--I saw it on the bookshelf in Korea and just couldn't believe a children's book could be upwards of 700 pp. I picked up the only paperback the store had--Chamber of Secrets, and read it through that very night. I found myself, then 24 years old, standing outside the bookshop the next morning waiting for it to open. I bought all four books in hardcover and read them through in less than a week. Now I look back on all that quite fondly, but I realize there's a population out there who's been reading the books since they first published; a population who began Year 1 when they were ten years old (and I know many, many began when they were much younger), and now those same people are 20 year old adults...I have nothing, not even D&D, I can compare this to. There was no book, series, tv show, nothing at all like that for my generation. I keep trying to remember what it was like to be 10 years old, how it felt and how I saw the world; and to the point, compare and contrast that to when I was 20...at 31, I barely know what I was doing a year ago, much less 20 years ago...I'm a little sad that the journey is effectively over, but I can't imagine how a 19 or 20 year old feels who may have been standing in line at midnight for the last ten years, who literally grew up with these characters. I think I'm a little envious.
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Okay, I only have one question. (Well, I have many, but one is bothering me more than the others.)
Okay, I only have one question. (Well, I have many, but one is bothering me more than the others.)
Spoiler:
Didn't Griphook take the sword of Gryffendor? How did Neville Longbottom get it? Did he pull it out of the sorting hat? If the sword could vanish from Griphook's long fingers and reappear in the sorting hat, why would he go to such lengths to obtain it?
My wife and I had a similar discussion. What we decided is this:
Scrimgeour didn't give Harry the sword even though it was in the will because Dumbledore never personally owned it, it was Hogwart's property. As Harry never truly owned the sword, he couldn't legitimately bargain it away, even though the goblin wasn't aware of it. I have a feeling either due to the way he obtained it, or because he lost his way somewhat, he was no longer able to wield it either, and had to have Ron and then Neville (who did indeed pull it from the hat after Voldemort placed it there) do it instead.
Stuff about the passive protagonist.
I agree, I've always thought this about the books.
What I was really impressed with was how war was presented as aweful - disrupting families and friendships even among allies - but I have never seen a childrens' book paint a picture that was both so palatable and so dark.
I was also really impressed that each book seemed so age appropriate for a reader of Harry's age in the book - I found that extraordinary.
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I wonder if Rowling will pen any more books in that world. I was always curious about University level wizarding education as it is never even mentioned (as I recall) in the books.
Also I think it would be really interesting to read the same stories again but with Draco Malfoy as the protagonist told from his perspective. I think it would be fun to read and would serve as an interesting opportunity to convey and reinforce the kinds of character lessons in the books.
Regarding the sword...
Regarding further books she said in some interview that down the road a bit she might write an encyclopedia of the Harry Potter world which contains further information on what happened after the end of the book, etc.
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Regarding the sword...
** spoiler omitted **
Regarding further books she said in some interview that down the road a bit she might write an encyclopedia of the Harry Potter world which contains further information on what happened after the end of the book, etc.
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** spoiler omitted **Regarding the sword...
** spoiler omitted **
Regarding further books she said in some interview that down the road a bit she might write an encyclopedia of the Harry Potter world which contains further information on what happened after the end of the book, etc.
I had also assumed Rhothaerill's theory on the sword - the precedent had been laid back in Chamber of Secrets.
As for Griphook
My point is, the goblins wouldn't have known about this trick.