New Seven Wonders of the Ancient World


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Scarab Sages

I don't know if anyone has been keeping up with this, but I find it interesting. The announcement time is coming up and the finalists are given here.

Personally, I don't see how the Eiffel Tower, The Statue of Liberty, or the Sydney Opera House made the list, except through politeness. I mean, they are impressive, but in my opinion way to new. I do think it good that they finally are considering the Great Wall of China, Stonehenge, and Easter Island.


I don't get it. I was under the impression that the term 'wonders' was meant to mean great feats of wonderment, how did they do it? Wow, what an incredible undertaking for that era, etc...Stonehenge, the Pyramids, the Great wall of China, these are examples of fantastic accomplishments with only theories as to how such primitive races could have achieved them. We know how the Statue of Liberty was built.
Geez, their stomping all over my love of classical history.


Aberzombie wrote:
Personally, I don't see how the Eiffel Tower, The Statue of Liberty, or the Sydney Opera House made the list, except through politeness.

Maybe because you added the "ancient" part? :-)


Lady Lena wrote:
We know how the Statue of Liberty was built.

The Statue itself isn't all that wondrous, you're right. But what about the fact that France gave us such a gift in the first place? I mean, what sane nation would do that now?


jthilo wrote:


Maybe because you added the "ancient" part? :-)

No, if I'm not mistaken, they are known as 'The Seven Wonders of the Ancient world'

Perhaps there are two lists, excuse me, now I gotta go google :)


Lady Lena wrote:

No, if I'm not mistaken, they are known as 'The Seven Wonders of the Ancient world'

Perhaps there are two lists, excuse me, now I gotta go google :)

The original list is now known as such, but the site Aberzombie references does not claim to be defining seven ancient wonders. This isn't even the first time a new list of seven wonders has been compiled. It's really just "seven things you have just got to see". Most of the ancient wonders are gone, so you can't see them. Hence the new list(s).


Perhaps they should just get rid of the number seven, there are sooo many wonders out there. We could have, Wonders of the Ancient world, and Wonders of the modern world. Why only seven?


Lady Lena wrote:
Perhaps they should just get rid of the number seven, there are sooo many wonders out there. We could have, Wonders of the Ancient world, and Wonders of the modern world.

We do.

Lady Lena wrote:
Why only seven?

Tradition. It's like a "top 10" list. Why 10? Because that's the way such things are done. If they changed the number, then the phrase "eighth wonder of the world" wouldn't hold the same meaning.

I don't think the indignation is deserved. Nobody's trying to redefine history by saying the seven ancient wonders weren't wondrous. It's just one of those things that we have to redo every once in a while, like the AFI's 100 greatest movies. Someday somebody will make a movie that's better than Ben-Hur.


Ahhh got it. You're fun :)


Lady Lena wrote:
Ahhh got it. You're fun :)

We all have to amuse ourselves... :-)

The Exchange

How about we start selecting wonders from across the parrallel earths?

That way we can have as a wonder the mile high heretic impaling spire of New Amsterdam (in the Christian Union of North America). The Archive of Bone where they have shelves racking up a billion corpses, or the invisible nation Area 51 which exists in the once-gulf of Mexico protected by great seawalls that run from florida to Cuba and Cuba to Mexico.

Scarab Sages

So they've got the new list out, and I get them all, except for the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Brazil. I looked up a picture of it,a nd its cool and all, but I thought "Meh". It just really wasn't as impressive as some of the other things on the list. Otherwise it was a pretty cool list. Although, technically, with the honorary listing of the Great Pyramid, there were eight.


Aberzombie wrote:
So they've got the new list out, and I get them all, except for the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Brazil.

I don't get it either. It's just a poorly made mass of concrete. It does not do justice to its subject. And how could it make it to the list, but Angkor Wat was left out!?!

Does not make sense to me.

Anyway, I'll stick to the UNESCO list of World Heritage Sites when I plan my trips. And at least I then get the assurance that someone cares to make sure that the "Wonders" listed get the proper care and protection they deserve...

Bocklin


Well, their really is only one list of the seven wonders of the ancient world; of these, only one of the wonders still exits that being the pyramids, but keep in mind they are a far cry from what they looked like in the ancient world. When you picture the pryamids; try to picture them entirely sheeted with gold on all sides and how they glowed and shown forth the suns rays; that is what they looked like during the time of the Pharoahs.

The pc game of Civilization; like civ II has all the wonders of the world and a short movie about each of them; it is really worth checking out if you have not.


What would you say are the wonders of the modern world?
hmm, Hoover damn, Atomic power and bomb ie splitting the atom, refridgeration, computers, the Space shot space lab shuttle the whole space race, miniturization; hmm; my list doesnt seem to work; does it have to be a thing like Hoover Damn or can it be a technology like refridgeration - guess that would really be the vacuum pump.

Liberty's Edge

The pushup bra.

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Valegrim wrote:
When you picture the pryamids; try to picture them entirely sheeted with gold on all sides and how they glowed and shown forth the suns rays; that is what they looked like during the time of the Pharoahs.

Point of internitpickery...

They weren't covered entirely with gold. They were cased in polished limestone, with a gold apex-cap. So rather than imagining them as gold, imagine them as gleaming white with a shimmering point.

[/nitpick]

-Cosmo

One-time history major, unfinished.


Aberzombie wrote:
So they've got the new list out, and I get them all, except for the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Brazil. I looked up a picture of it,a nd its cool and all, but I thought "Meh". It just really wasn't as impressive as some of the other things on the list. Otherwise it was a pretty cool list. Although, technically, with the honorary listing of the Great Pyramid, there were eight.

Maybe the Christ statue looks more imposing in location (it is on top of a mountain or something?).

It would have been the one I had bumped out of the list too, though, in favor of Angkor.

Liberty's Edge

magdalena thiriet wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
So they've got the new list out, and I get them all, except for the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Brazil. I looked up a picture of it,a nd its cool and all, but I thought "Meh". It just really wasn't as impressive as some of the other things on the list. Otherwise it was a pretty cool list. Although, technically, with the honorary listing of the Great Pyramid, there were eight.

Maybe the Christ statue looks more imposing in location (it is on top of a mountain or something?).

It would have been the one I had bumped out of the list too, though, in favor of Angkor.

Yes, its up on top of a mountain. I don't know the story of how they got it there, but it looks like it would have been difficult, to say the least.

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hehe Cosmo; my Roman sources are a bit conflicted, some say one thing, some the other, both concepts still are fun to imagine what they looked like.

hehe wolvieboy; pushup bra; is your next thing gonna be television or internet porn, viagra, implants to include eyelashes, nails, hair, teeth, hehe how about pigments; we have many more colors than the ancient world ever had and can color just about anything.

ok; seriously now.
Well, the Romans invented concrete, which we have improved, and it is everywhere in various forms; that is technology though; should it be a wonder or does it have to be a place? That thing on the ground in South America that is a vast pattern that nobody knew about until someone flew over it in an airplane; that is pretty wonderous to me; how did they build that thing with such precise math not being able to see but a small part of it and never seeing the entirety of the final pattern; well, unless there really are ufo or something we dont know about.


the fortress of SACSAYHUAMAN, PERU is amazing too; as there are only two known cranes today that could lift the blocks that made it; one of those; how did they do that kinda things.

Scarab Sages

Cosmo wrote:
Valegrim wrote:
When you picture the pryamids; try to picture them entirely sheeted with gold on all sides and how they glowed and shown forth the suns rays; that is what they looked like during the time of the Pharoahs.

Point of internitpickery...

They weren't covered entirely with gold. They were cased in polished limestone, with a gold apex-cap. So rather than imagining them as gold, imagine them as gleaming white with a shimmering point.

[/nitpick]

-Cosmo

One-time history major, unfinished.

They may not be covered in gold, or even gleaming white capped with gold, now, but they still look really impressive in person.


Ungoded wrote:
Cosmo wrote:
Valegrim wrote:
When you picture the pryamids; try to picture them entirely sheeted with gold on all sides and how they glowed and shown forth the suns rays; that is what they looked like during the time of the Pharoahs.

Point of internitpickery...

They weren't covered entirely with gold. They were cased in polished limestone, with a gold apex-cap. So rather than imagining them as gold, imagine them as gleaming white with a shimmering point.

[/nitpick]

-Cosmo

One-time history major, unfinished.

They may not be covered in gold, or even gleaming white capped with gold, now, but they still look really impressive in person.

Ooh, you've seen them? Lucky, did you get to touch them? I want to touch them. I also want to run around Greece and Rome and touch everything ancient I can. That is my downfall, gets me in more trouble than anything, glass cases drive me insane. I was almost kicked out of a museum for fondling a four thousand year old bust of Horus (hey, there were no magic velvet ropes)...Aah, it was worth it though.

Paizo Employee Director of Sales

Ungoded wrote:


They may not be covered in gold, or even gleaming white capped with gold, now, but they still look really impressive in person.

An excellent point!

Scarab Sages

Lady Lena wrote:
Ooh, you've seen them? Lucky, did you get to touch them? I want to touch them. I also want to run around Greece and Rome and touch everything ancient I can. That is my downfall, gets me in more trouble than anything, glass cases drive me insane. I was almost kicked out of a museum for fondling a four thousand year old bust of Horus (hey, there were no magic velvet ropes)...Aah, it was worth it though.

Yes, I was on a 1 month deployment in Egypt and had the fortune to take a day trip to Cairo. We went to the pyramids and the Sphynx, of course. Can't get near the Sphynx anymore, but you can climb in and on the pyramids.

I didn't go in any of the pyramids, as I understand it there's just a plain cramped tunnel than runs down and back up, but I did climb a couple of blocks up the side of one.

They are awe-inspiring.

So much so in fact, that I was able to ignore the cheap hawksters trying to sell Made In China turquoise scarabs to every passing tourist. For a few minutes at least.


Here's your RPG homework:

Make your own Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. :P


Lilith wrote:

Here's your RPG homework:

Make your own Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. :P

I suggested a trip to a museum for inspiration in creating a game world setting in another thread, but this too is an excellent source for game world ideas.

And wonders of the ancient world should be the same in your world. Many or most of them should be gone. Some of them should be gone beyond trace, known only to legend, like the Library at Alexandria. Some should be known only by the evidence left behind, or perhaps what little sign of them is left (maybe the wonder is even being torn apart for resources in an ongoing basis at the time of your campaign), like the Colossus of Rhodes.

But at least one ancient wonder should still be around, towering over everything manmade around it, evidence of enginerring and construction capabilities unknown by the areas current residents.

Nothing screams HISTORY like evidence of knowledge and technology now lost to current times.

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Lilith wrote:

Here's your RPG homework:

Make your own Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. :P

Ok...

1) The Megatherium, or Giant Sloth. This is technically prehistoric rather than ancient, but I'm allowing it because it's a SLOTH.

Spoiler:
Sorry... I got a thing for sloths.

2)Mohenjo-daro. This is an ancient Indus River Vally metropolis, and it's one of the sites that inspired the creation of the UNESCO World Heritage Sites.

3)The Bamyan Buddhas. This must be remembered for it's ancient historical significance and it's current historical significance.

4)Petra. Because it's cool in and of itself... and because Henry Jones senior became immortal there. Of course, if that chick hadn't have crossed the seal...

5)Ankor Wat. It's pointy!

6)Macchu Pichu. Hey... I know what let's do? Let build a city... but put it... oh, I don't know... ON THE TOP OF A MOUNTAIN?!? I hear the air is wonderful at a mile and a half above sea level.

7)People. We're kinda cool... what with all the think-y stuff we think and build-y stuff we do. Humanity really is the biggest wonder of all.

Spoiler:
Especially the chicks! :D

Liberty's Edge

On my honeymoon to Costa Rica, we saw sloths--doing the wild thang.
Absolute truth, strike me down.


Well, sure they are a bit impressive, but do you hate Eygpt as much as I do; the horrible sand like yellow baby powder, trading chocolate for water and stuff; ack, my unit used to go there back in the 80's and I hate remembering the stuff i can remember; is all really a daze, but I remember trying to get that sand out of out tents and gear for weeks afterward and how that nasty stuff gets in everything; course, I have ranted on that before so it is no wonder to me.

Am still trying to find the name of that thing in South America; saw it on history channel or discovery channel or something like that. it is kinda like a giant stone crop circles that is hundreds of miles in diameter.


Valegrim wrote:

Well, sure they are a bit impressive, but do you hate Eygpt as much as I do; the horrible sand like yellow baby powder, trading chocolate for water and stuff; ack, my unit used to go there back in the 80's and I hate remembering the stuff i can remember; is all really a daze, but I remember trying to get that sand out of out tents and gear for weeks afterward and how that nasty stuff gets in everything; course, I have ranted on that before so it is no wonder to me.

Am still trying to find the name of that thing in South America; saw it on history channel or discovery channel or something like that. it is kinda like a giant stone crop circles that is hundreds of miles in diameter.

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