| Gurubabaramalamaswami |
Tome of Horrors III introduces the pit hag, which are CE wives of the pit fiends. It mentions them being a form of torment for the mighty devils.
The idea of CE wife working at cross-purposes to Asmodeus is kind of stimulating.
Plus, I'll admit that I'd like to do away with the whole Blood War crap and make it more like a big mixed bag of fiends who scheme and manipulate according to their alignment natures.
| Jeremy Mac Donald |
According to Tyrants of the Nine Hells Asmodeus had a consort, Bensozia, who is the mother of his child Glasya (ruler of the 6th layer of Hell). Bensozia was killed by Levistus (ruler of the 5th Layer of Hell) which is why Asmodeus has imprisoned Levistus in an iceberg. At present he apparently has no consort.
| Todd Stewart Contributor |
Tome of Horrors III introduces the pit hag, which are CE wives of the pit fiends.
FWIW, there are female pit fiends as well. In fact there are some rather notable ones (including members of the Dark 8).
Plus, I'll admit that I'd like to do away with the whole Blood War crap and make it more like a big mixed bag of fiends who scheme and manipulate according to their alignment natures.
Of course the Blood War isn't a monolithic thing composed of two uniform sides. Everyone and their half-fiendish brother has a vested interest in the tide of the war and virtually every races has their hand in the mix at some point. Within the diabolic ranks you've got the shuffle and conflict between the various Lords of the 9 despite the Dark 8's attempt to keep it seperate from the war. Within the manifest anarchy of the demons, it's at times impossible to say where the Blood War ends and their own genocidal wars against rival abyssal lords begins. And then you've got the Yugoloths playing both sides and playing themselves in their own viciously complex internal politics. Add in demodands, night hags, non-tanar'ri demons, non-baatezu devils, rakshasas, etc and the playing field is precisely a "big mixed bag of fiends who scheme and manipulate according to their alignment natures."
| Gurubabaramalamaswami |
To clarify: Tyrants of the Nine Hells, Book of Vile Darkness, and the lot are not OGL and thus not part of the new canon. We're probably talking no Nine Hells, period. No Levistus, no Glasya, etc. Plus, Asmodeus is going to be a core deity.
So...having to reinvent the cosmology and based on comments by the Paizo staff about using OGL stuff like the various Tomes of Horror and having read said tomes and coming across the pit hag entry...
I just want to know more about the new Asmodeus and who hangs out with him and what kind of parties does he throw.
| windnight |
given that the concept of the nine hells is taken from Dante's Inferno, we could very well see that Paizo's cosmology has a hell with nine layers, levels, or whatnot.
Also, Since the Abyss is a seperate religious term with implications of infinite area/sorrow, a similar abyss to the great wheel probably isn't out of the question either.
Not that, you know, I'm speculating rampantly or anything.
| Gurubabaramalamaswami |
Azzy wrote:Pathfinder's Asmodeus isn't the D&D Asmodeus.So what you're saying is that he's the Diet Coke of Asmodeus?
He's Asmodeus freed from the constraints of so-called canon to be as great as he really is. Asmodeus in Tyrants of the Nine Hells was Diet Coke Asmodeus. I'm not looking for a Dicefreaks monstrosity, either. I just want an Asmodeus that invokes the dread he should and who makes pit fiends tremble with the merest twitch of an evil eyebrow.
| Eric Hinkle |
Tome of Horrors III introduces the pit hag, which are CE wives of the pit fiends. It mentions them being a form of torment for the mighty devils.
The idea of CE wife working at cross-purposes to Asmodeus is kind of stimulating.
Plus, I'll admit that I'd like to do away with the whole Blood War crap and make it more like a big mixed bag of fiends who scheme and manipulate according to their alignment natures.
Well, that does give embattled PCs one more way to deal with angry pit fiends -- just get their wife to drop by so she can drag the old man back to the pit to take out the garbage and do the dishes.
Really, though, the whole thing sounds a bit, I dunno, like a classic Bugs Bunny cartoon?
kessukoofah
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William Pall wrote:He's Asmodeus freed from the constraints of so-called canon to be as great as he really is. Asmodeus in Tyrants of the Nine Hells was Diet Coke Asmodeus. I'm not looking for a Dicefreaks monstrosity, either. I just want an Asmodeus that invokes the dread he should and who makes pit fiends tremble with the merest twitch of an evil eyebrow.Azzy wrote:Pathfinder's Asmodeus isn't the D&D Asmodeus.So what you're saying is that he's the Diet Coke of Asmodeus?
You saying the Dicefreaks version didn't "invoke the dread he should and who makes pit fiends tremble with the merest twitch of an evil eyebrow."? It did in me...good gods that book was scary.
Savage_ScreenMonkey
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I kind of expected Asmodeus to make the leap from the leader of the 9 hells to a deity at some point. Even Tot9H's alludes to that,which also plays into Mephistopheles plan to become the new ruler of the hells.
As for having a "wife" I just cant see fiends getting married. Having consorts and all that yes but not a wife in the sense the traditional sense. Perhaps at the most I could see fiends having a trophey wife, but nothing more than that.
| Lathiira |
I kind of expected Asmodeus to make the leap from the leader of the 9 hells to a deity at some point. Even Tot9H's alludes to that,which also plays into Mephistopheles plan to become the new ruler of the hells.
As for having a "wife" I just cant see fiends getting married. Having consorts and all that yes but not a wife in the sense the traditional sense. Perhaps at the most I could see fiends having a trophey wife, but nothing more than that.
FYI, ol' Azzy did get a promotion. It's in the 4E FR Campaign book. All he had to do was finish off a dying Azuth. Did that, went wild with the Abyss, then set to work on conquering the Realms.
I agree about the spouse, though. Especially in a lawful evil society. Too much of a chance of being knocked off and having your entire empire end up in the widow's claws. And if the spouse is weak, then they're a target for all the other fiends. Doesn't seem like the best plan to me.
| Arakhor |
You saying the Dicefreaks version didn't "invoke the dread he should and who makes pit fiends tremble with the merest twitch of an evil eyebrow."? It did in me...good gods that book was scary.
Heh heh. Damn straight! The Gates of Hell is so far beyond terrifying that it's almost fun :)
Mikaze
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He's probably saving himself for a big catch like Serenrae:
I smell a musical.
When I look up at the sky,
It brings a tear...to my eye,
To see you all alone up theeeeeere.
If only I could make you see,
How much happier you'd be,
If just for a moment you came down from the air.
Please forgive me if I'm too forward,
I know our history is untoward,
But if you went home with me, everything would be swell,
Fire in the sky burns alone, but it'll never be alone in Hell!
(devil backup singers join in, up tempo)
It's always warm conditions,
In eternal perdition!
We've got angels too,
Though they've been knocked down a peg or two!
But it's okay!
(Hooray!)
Because it's swell!
(And fell!)
In Hell!
I know what you're thinking,
And it has my heart sinking,
"He was quite the scalawag in the old days"
Well I'll change my ways!
I'll even clean the blood from the floor,
And I'll be waiting patiently at the door!
Because there's always a place for you,
And if you don't like it you can still sue!
Trust me, you'll like it, everything is fine,
I'm waiting here with my heart in hand(and I promise that it's mine!)
Oh please believe me when I say everything would be sweeeeeeeeell,
Because it's actually quite lovely in Hell!
Needs work. Another fast short-verse backup singer section maybe.
| KaeYoss |
FYI, ol' Azzy did get a promotion. It's in the 4E FR Campaign book. All he had to do was finish off a dying Azuth. Did that, went wild with the Abyss, then set to work on conquering the Realms.
That's Diet-Coke-Horrible-Soap-Opera Asmodeus. I'm sure there's a novel on the way where he falls in love with Selune, is softened by her freedomly and kindly ways, and on eve of their marriage, he finds out she's his sister. And then he starts drinking and doing drugs.
Wow. How did this get resurrected?
No...wait...it's hell. Sorry. Carry on.
That is not dead which can eternal lie.
| KaeYoss |
Didn't I see Asmodeus advertising in "Paizo Singles": "Ageless Duke of Hell seeks adventurous female for bondage, domination."?
I think it will do better than Demogordon's personal: "Two-headed, monkey-faced, tentantacled demon lord, enjoys travel to tropical islands, seeks same."
It is said that Calistria placed an add, too. It was almost instantly suppressed by the filters, but someone had a look at it for a split second before it got yanked from his screen. Still, it was enough to turn the guy into a pile of ash in a pillar of pink fire. They say his last expression was not of pain, but of utter arousal.
They learned from it, though, and Zon-Kuthon was banned from the whole service.
SirUrza
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I'm sure if you get James going on a late night chat about demons and devil you could get him to invent a wife for Asmodeus... if he didn't already invent one and never put it to paper. :)
LazarX
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Didn't I see Asmodeus advertising in "Paizo Singles": "Ageless Duke of Hell seeks adventurous female for bondage, domination."?
I think it will do better than Demogordon's personal: "Two-headed, monkey-faced, tentantacled demon lord, enjoys travel to tropical islands, seeks same."
Demogorgon already has the marriage relationship... his two heads can't stand each other, as related by the big writeup he had in the last years of Dragon magazine.
Chris Mortika
RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16
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What we need, is the bottle of tequila with the worm in it Asmodeus.
And a lime to thow at people.
The Lime of Asmodeus
(major artifact)Your first indication is an overwhelming scent, pungent and nauseatingly sour, but once you come into its presence, there is no question that this slice of green fruit, surrounded by dead-black flames, is intelligent. you feel it in your mind, judging you and finding you ... lacking.
The possessor of the Lime of Asmodeus, also known as the Profane Slice, has the permanent benefits of Scent and continuous Sense Link (taste), as the spell.
The possessor may always recognise worshipers of Asmodeus. This is represented by a sour-tasting aura around targets, the intensity of which indicates how devout they are in their worship.
The alignment of the character may never change, except in the direction of Lawful Evil.
The character casts spells affecting tropical plants as if he were 6 levels higher.
The character may cast Unholy Blight once per day as a 20th Level caster, by licking the Profane Slice.
The Lime of Asmodeus may never be set down or put away while the possessor still lives. Attempting to do so subjects the possessor to the effects of a Poison spell cast at 20th Level.
Worshipers of Asmodeus will always recognise the odor of the Lime instantly. Their reaction will usually alternate between a) groveling and bowing to the possessor and b) nauseated stumbling about.
It is said that the Profane Slice grants additional powers if the wearer is also in possession (and use) of the Salt Shaker of Hell.