Who do you think would win in this situation? The only battle I could visualise would be the one between the Drow bard and Gimble. The drow takes one look at his opponent, then breaks the fourth wall, asking if the writer is serious and then procees to punt the gnome.
Bards and fighting it out with a sword eh rapier...hardly their turf!
Rather ask who could conquer the heart of a lady or the ear of the duke or who will get the needed information quicker or bluff himself out of being caught stealing from a dragon's horde, sooth the giants anger by singing or telling a story. I have to agree that the drow will win in a head-on-head fight, but as soon as you involve hiding and sneaking, the odds change.
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The WotC Iconics would whup the butts of the Paizo Iconics. Half the Paizo Iconics are weighted down with crappy +x ECL levels. Besides, we all know that the WotC Iconics are always dripping with whatever goodies are on offer in the latest supplements, whereas the Paizo Iconics are probably built using a 20 point buy core-rules-only type system.
The WotC Iconics would whup the butts of the Paizo Iconics. Half the Paizo Iconics are weighted down with crappy +x ECL levels. Besides, we all know that the WotC Iconics are always dripping with whatever goodies are on offer in the latest supplements, whereas the Paizo Iconics are probably built using a 20 point buy core-rules-only type system.
Forgive my ignorance, but where does one find stats for the Paizo iconincs?
I vote for Mialee, she's unbelievebly cute.
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Forgive my ignorance, but where does one find stats for the Paizo iconincs?I vote for Mialee, she's unbelievebly cute.
I don't think their stats do exist (other than the few that were used for internal playtesting purposes), I'm just blowing smoke about who would win and why.
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Awesome idea, I can visualize it, too. Gimble is a total rock star, but that drow dude is kind of a badass, too. Lidda vs. that tiefling chick would also be a very cool (and kinda hot...) match-up, but if the clerics fight, sorry, Jozan, my money's on that Wee Jas lady.
Any talented artists on here who could make it a reality?
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Awesome idea, I can visualize it, too. Gimble is a total rock star, but that drow dude is kind of a badass, too. Lidda vs. that tiefling chick would also be a very cool (and kinda hot...) match-up, but if the clerics fight, sorry, Jozan, my money's on that Wee Jas lady.
Any talented artists on here who could make it a reality?
That drow dude is obviously the biggest munchkin in the Paizo stable. Have you seen the cover of Dungeon magazine where he's super-buff? Somebody cheated when they were writing down stats if you ask me...
Lidda would be fighting the dual weilding guy in red, he's the Paizoian rogue, IIRC. The tiefling chick should go against the dwarven fighter (Turdek?) or his human counterpart (Redgar?).
I'm just waiting for the half-orc vs. dwarf barbarian arguement to start up again.
And mialee would totally get her butt kicked by the paizo wizard. C'mon; did you SEE that Wayne Reynolds cover?!
I think the Paizo paladin has an edge over Alhandra for their honorable paladin duel. He's got heavier armor, and no lame headband. However, some advantage is lost since he's the one with the trailing, voluminous robes.
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I think the Paizo paladin has an edge over Alhandra for their honorable paladin duel. He's got heavier armor, and no lame headband. However, some advantage is lost since he's the one with the trailing, voluminous robes.
You're kidding me! The paizo paladin's got to be like 4th level (at most) considering how many times he's died and been raised.
Also, that handband gives a +2 on Performance (Jazzercise) checks and should not be mocked. If, as is required in the upcoming Complete Pimp, the paladins are required to enter into a dance-off, Alhandra will breeze to victory.
I think the Paizo paladin has an edge over Alhandra for their honorable paladin duel. He's got heavier armor, and no lame headband. However, some advantage is lost since he's the one with the trailing, voluminous robes.You're kidding me! The paizo paladin's got to be like 4th level (at most) considering how many times he's died and been raised.
Also, that handband gives a +2 on Performance (Jazzercise) checks and should not be mocked. If, as is required in the upcoming Complete Pimp, the paladins are required to enter into a dance-off, Alhandra will breeze to victory.
In a break dancing situation, fine. The headband would help. But there's a morale penalty on saves and attack rolls when her opponents ask her where she "parked her Delorian". However, in the caber toss event, the paizo paladin would have the advantage. A kilt adds a +4 bonus, +2 if not plaid and every little bit helps.
And besides, even if he has been raised so often, it just means he'll be less likely to hold back since he's done it before. He'll totally fight as dirty as a paladin is allowed to. Meaning, he'll ask her where she parked her Delorian. And then apologize for it. But STILL.
I think the drow dude listened to a lot of Glenn Danzig.
You mean Morrison on 'roids? HE NEVER DIED, MAN... HE HAD RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY AND BECAME DANZIG!
Many of our iconics fight dirty, though. That ought to give them some sort of bonus.
Except against Jozan, of course, who is more than he seems. Most "clerics of Pelor" wouldn't cast a symbol of pain (see page 291 of the PHB); that Jozan's got some sinister dark secrets!
God I noticed that too. You gotta be pretty sad to notice stuff like that.
The WotC Iconics would whup the butts of the Paizo Iconics. Half the Paizo Iconics are weighted down with crappy +x ECL levels. Besides, we all know that the WotC Iconics are always dripping with whatever goodies are on offer in the latest supplements, whereas the Paizo Iconics are probably built using a 20 point buy core-rules-only type system.
Don't matter. Cool wins. Paizo iconics are cool -- WotC's aren't.
(Come on, Krusk and Gimble?)
I was just about to say that that Jozan definitely has this "I'm Kevin Spacey-style crazy; back off lil' goth chick" gleam in his eye. I think she'd try to hook up with him.
Crazy talk. If Spacey were an iconic, it'd be with Paizo :P
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I love this thread.
Here's my picks:
PALADIN
Be serious. VICTORY: PAIZO.
RANGER
I'm a known critic of the wolf-hatted ranger, but I can hardly even remember the name of the WotC iconic ranger. That puts them on even footing, because ours doesn't even have a name. Since it's pretty much even, I go with the one designed by Wayne Reynolds. VICTORY: PAIZO.
ROGUE
I like the look of our red-clad elf with two shortswords, but Lidda is the classiest of WotC's iconics, and the one that seems like the most interesting character. Plus she apparently likes to party rasta-style. VICTORY: WOTC.
SORCERER
I like our baldy spellthrower, but Hennet appeals to the old heavy metal fan within me. VICTORY: WOTC.
FIGHTER
Tordek has the Todd Lockwood chops, and Regdar oozes a sense of D&D everyman, but I like my fighters in skirts. VICTORY: PAIZO.
BARD
I'd call this one a draw, but a post upthread reminded me of the drow bard muscle porn cover, so I'm going to have to side with steroids. How very drow. VICTORY: PAIZO.
CLERIC
Be serious. VICTORY: PAIZO.
WIZARD
I really like Mailee, but I think I more than like our back-biting, quasit-loving, drugged-out hedonist. She gives great thigh. VICTORY: PAIZO.
MONK
Ember always looks like she just came out of a locker room. Am I nuts, or does she sometimes wear a Breathe-Right nasal strip? Our guy is still new, and holds promise. I'm giving the edge to the old master and not the grasshopper, but her days are limited. VICTORY: WOTC.
DRUID
This post is getting long. Uhhhhhhh.... VICTORY: WOTC (?)
BARBARIAN
Ed Stark once committed suicide with Krusk by jumping off a cliff and landing on a grell several hundred feet from the ground below the Moathouse of Elemental Evil. He bounced. VICTORY: WOTC
6/5. Pretty evenly matched, and I admit that I'm strongly biased.
What do you think?
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I wonder if anyone has played or DMed any of the APs using the illustrated iconics? I think the new iconics for ST are very suited to that campaign (I’m sure they would have been designed with the path in mind) and would do well. Druid (with dinosaur animal companion!) – lots of wilderness adventures – check. Barbarian – tank who doesn’t rely on heavy armour (handy for all those balance checks, swim checks and hot weather) – check. Wizard (with quasit familiar for that Abyss tie in) – dedicated arcane caster – check. Monk – diplomat, nimble around a ship deck, solid backup combatant – check.
Not sure how well the other iconic party would do in AOW – probably pretty well against undead and in many of the battles with a fighter, a cleric and a paladin, but with no dedicated arcane caster (or no arcane caster at all depending on whether they’re fielding the rogue or the bard at the time) … not too sure about that …
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In a fight;
Barbarian: Dwarf barbarians SHOULD be a good concept, but I can’t really take them seriously ever since the battlerager in those FR novels. The dwarf’s rage might last a little longer, but the half orc is stronger and faster. And Krusk looks like one tough dude, I’d vote Krusk.
Bard: In a battle of wit, dance off, or stand up show down, I would put my money on Gimbal (the drow never even seems to take his lute off his back, and doesn’t look like he has much sense of humour). In a fight, my first instinct is to go with the drow (he does well on the covers, apart from the muscle pic, there’s him going up against some BIG worms), but in the magazine interiors he doesn’t seem to go so well ( I seem to have a memory of him running scared from a dragon and a spider at various times). And have you seen the pic of Gimbal in those “V3.5” full page ads in Dungeon from a couple years back, he can be a bad-ass. So Gimbal wins.
Cleric: I like goth chicks. I’ll go with the Wee Jas lass. She’s cool. Besides, if she couldn’t win in a fair fight (and I’d say she could), she could distract Jozan with a flash of leg, hey, the guy might be a priest but he’s not dead!
Druid: They both seem pretty cool, and they seem to have a bit in common. I reckon they’d end up sitting down and talking nature, the pros and cons of dreads vs twining twigs into your hair, and the care and feeding of animal companions. If the DID get into a disagreement over music or something (celtic folk songs vs reggae), I’d side with Paizo, she’s got reach with her spear, and her dinosaur will probably have something over the wolf.
Fighter: Well if Regdar and Tordek tag-team on the tiefling she’s probably going down. But one on one she uses her superior mobility and extra attacks with two weapons to take down the dwarf, and throws a darkness spell-like ability on Regdar to get in a couple of cheap shots, and then leaves him looking like he does on the cover of Heroes of Horror.
Monk: the Paizo monk looks pretty tough, and pretty cool. And those tattoos have gotta do something. Besides, Ember’s outfit doesn’t look like it would provide all the upper body support she’d like in an acrobatic, jumping over heads, hanging upside down from walls type monk battle, so I predict Paizo to win.
Paladin: Yeah …. The headband just doesn’t do it for me, and scale mail is no armour for a paladin. Problem is, some misguided player or DM will probably decide that the Paizo paladins Code of Conduct or alignment stops him from hitting a woman, so (reluctant) victory to Wizards.
Ranger: The PHB ranger looks kinda stupid, and he doesn’t have an animal companion. I reckon wolf girl would use her archery combat style to take him down at range, and help her cat finish him off if he got in close.
Rogue: Lidda looks cute and smart, I think she’d use brains not brawn to beat the half elf.
Sorcerer: The Paizo sorcerer doesn’t seem to get very much play time, so I’d give the victory to the higher level PHB dude.
Wizard: I like elf wizards … I like female elf wizards … but somehow the usual depictions of Mailee just never did it for me, especially her main PHB portrait, she just looks weird. The Paizo cover girl on the other hand? Hot. Cool. Bad. Yeah, she’d kick elf butt (using whatever dirty tricks at her disposal).
Yep, so I also make it 6/5 to Paizo.
Aren't we forgetting all the alternate versions of the WOTC iconics. We have pictures of Mialee wearing robes of the arch-magi and robes of eyes (both wielding a staff of frost). We have Lidda all feral and savage (Player's Handbook 2). We have Tordek with withered sallow skin, glowing blue eyes and looking mean as mean can get (Heroes of Horror). There's even one of Ember reflecting a lightning bolt back at its caster!
Also, aren't we forgetting Eberk and Devis? The WOTC characters have numbers on their side.
Paizo still rules though, and here's a different question. Is it just me or do the mirror iconics in Mask of the Diamond Tears (issue 143) look way cooler than their real world counterparts? They also look like they're winning!
Lidda vs. that tiefling chick would also be a very cool (and kinda hot...) match-up,
Yeah, Lidda would get killed preeetty quick, the badass tiefling is a fighter, with a nasty sword...
The Elf ranger is called Sovelliss and I think he'd have fun destroying the PAIZO ranger, who looks more like Tom Sawyer's second cousin once removed
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BARD Assuming this is a straight up fight, the drow wins easy. Anyone remember him taking down the two corrupt celestials in "Spire of long shadows"?
Winner: Drow bard
Surely no bard worth his lute should ever have to resort to a straight up fight? My money's still on Gimbal (who after all has faced down a Pit Fiend).
Cleric: This one is actually a bit tough. Tyralandi can hurl meteors (Library of last resort), but Jozan can cast symbol of pain...
Winner: Jozan
Unless that was one symbol of pain too many, and Pelor strips him of his clerical powers.
Besides, I'm guessing that Tyralandi makes her fort save...
Surely no bard worth his lute should ever have to resort to a straight up fight? My money's still on Gimbal (who after all has faced down a Pit Fiend).
Damn Gimmble, what the hell happened to Davis?(the original Wotc bard)