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How does this work with Outsiders? Basically Outsiders bodies and souls are one, they are not seperate, thus the need for very powerful restoration magic for outsiders. Some of their make-up, or essence, is made of a plane.
So an Outsiders body is them in their entirety, body AND soul, so if the Abyss (Occipitus) reforms anyone who dies (and all their gear) are they effectively true ressurected, as their flesh cannot be reformed without their soul intrinsically being reformed at the same time? If this is the case is it fair for non-outsiders? As it is the Abyss that is reforming them and it is Abyssal planar essence they are being made out of do they inherently become fiendish, or a demon?
If a humanoids body is taken from the prime (or wherever) when they die and is reformed upon Occipitus (with all their gear) where does their soul go in the interim? Does Occiptus take it and try and corrupt the owner into accepting demonhood?
I am inviting said associate around (whose character has the Smoking Eye template and was/is lying in state), we shall drink heavily and ruminate on the dark of this conumdrum but as some of you have guessed I have put one of my players in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't position". Fortunately he enjoys that sort of thing :)
Just curious on other peoples take on this, it becomes less rules driven and more story driven I think. Sufficed to say in our campaign when Adimarchus dies upon Occiptus the 507th will have a new and willing demon lord :)
I find your questions fascinating as I am fairly certain that the paladin in my party will sacrifice himself and gain the template. I am interested to see how he deals with the situation and what repercussions there will be because of his actions. The party is just starting The Demonskar Legacy now.
I was thinking of having Occipitus, the portion of Celexia and the paladin get together for a bit of a discussion while his body is being reformed. I don't think that a little bargaining, berating and cajoling on the part of Occipitus would be out of the question. Perhaps portraying each of the planes as creatures or characters he'd met in the past. Celexia should be obviously weak and nearly dead and can only promise the character rebirth and hope the character will help to take the plane (or at least a portion of it) back to the heavens. This isn't a moral dilemma as much as a path to walk down for the character. You can only have a moral dilemma when both choices are evil in some fashion. This one has an obviously good choice. This is why you should add some gift of power from Occipitus so that the character can ensure that "the greater evil is destroyed”. Occipitus should know that time is on its side. Eventually the character will die again and the portion of Celexia will be that much weaker.
Rules wise, I would definitely make the character an outsider with their home plane being Occipitus if they choose to side with Occipitus and possibly the material plane as their "home" if they choose Celexia as that part of the plane is disjoined from itself. These could be hidden drawbacks and bonuses for the deal that is made.
I can not wait to see what the players do throughout the rest of the campaign.
my take is that the smoking eye creature's soul travels directly from where it was slain to occippitus. This journey takes some time, though. Hence the period between the body's death and it's resurection.
I like your ideas too, though.
yup, new type outsider and maybe some intresting new power or two as you are formed more along the line of your unfocused will ;)
Maybe ultimately into a immaterial elemental of hellfire?
Starting here with a blur effect, and a sometimes working aura of that hellfire...