I bought a copy of the Players' Hadbook II today and there was this paper that said "You are a f******g nerd." inside. If I ever catch the guy who did that...
Ultradan
Well if your a F*****g nerd at least your getting some. That is more than some loser hiding in anonimity with nothing to do but place silly hate letters in a book. Hater like that ain't got much going fo themselves thats why they hate and do stupid stuff like that. What a coward too!
It's a clever marketing ploy, because now that it's happened in two different places apparently, all us nerds are going to go out and see if it's a worldwide trend.
Hey, go make the manager of the store real nervous and say that you're being targeted for a hate crime ;)
Seriously, if the other poster and you didn't buy or browse the book at the same store, I would venture a guess that some distributor somewhere has a practical joker who cracked open a box or two of PHII's to put those notes inside, giggling insanely at his own wit while he did it.
Wow I'm fired up. I am going to go hit somebody. Ther are a lot of meth/crack head haters in town. I think their is a bad shipment of drugs in my town they are getting silly, talking crap while I'm at work,knowing I am to dicplined to get in a fight while at work. Today is my day off and I am going to hit a couple of those meth/ crack head haters. I'll think of you Ultradan and the hater trying to hate you.
Damn stupid haters!!! Fireball them ALL!!!
Don't bother anyone, Sir K....the most unintelligent thing I did as a stupid teenager was to go downtown with my friends in a car and flash money at hookers, who came running over just as we peeled out laughing like a bunch of idiots. It's the same stupidity rearing up, let it go and laugh about it. (I know that you're probably only joking, but still...no violence, violence bad unless justified, then regretably necessary. Don't fireball methheads unless they're putting notes in D&D books, okay?
It's a clever marketing ploy, because now that it's happened in two different places apparently, all us nerds are going to go out and see if it's a worldwide trend.
Good point. I hope your right. It will make me feel better. But, I am still going to hit and chase out those meth/ crack heads haters hanging out in my town.
and fireball them to. yahh fireball them.
Don't bother anyone, Sir K....the most unintelligent thing I did as a stupid teenager was to go downtown with my friends in a car and flash money at hookers, who came running over just as we peeled out laughing like a bunch of idiots. It's the same stupidity rearing up, let it go and laugh about it. (I know that you're probably only joking, but still...no violence, violence bad unless justified, then regretably necessary. Don't fireball methheads unless they're putting notes in D&D books, okay?
Your right I'm just venting my frustration. I'll save the fireballs for the methheads who dares to touch my D&D books.
I bought a copy of the Players' Hadbook II today and there was this paper that said "You are a f******g nerd." inside. If I ever catch the guy who did that...
Ultradan
I'm gonna find this bastard and when I do, I'm gonna give him the hard goodbye... Nah just kidding, when I find him I'm just gonna shoot him.
The question is what should I use and old and rusty M-16 or a relieble but hefty Israeli Glilon?
I bought a copy of the Players' Hadbook II today and there was this paper that said "You are a f******g nerd." inside. If I ever catch the guy who did that...
Ultradan
I'm gonna find this bastard and when I do, I'm gonna give him the hard goodbye... Nah just kidding, when I find him I'm just gonna shoot him.
The question is what should I use and old and rusty M-16 or a relieble but hefty Israeli Glilon?
shoot him with a wand of fireballs that would be cool.
the way I look at it, geeks and nerds are smart. Smart people, in general, end up in well paying jobs. People who pick on geeks and nerds are generally less intelligent and go into less well paying careers.
I say, embrace your nerdliness and get paid for it!
Seriously, kill the anger. There is no use getting your panties in a wad over nothing. Just ignore them and let em ruin their own bitter, little lives.
I find that quite amusing indeed. Now, hopefully it was written on a piece of paper and inserted into the book, as opposed to being written in the book (that would suck).
I give this guy 5 points for originality, especially since the likely suspect would have to be at least an associate to a nerd for knowing enough to employ this strategy. I'd use the paper as a book mark and chuckle every time I look at it.
shoot him with a wand of fireballs that would be cool.
Well, I'm more the rouge type and, unlike a wand of fireballs, I do have a rifle. (I'm a proud soldier in the IDF, for the record...)
Not much to worry about, really. If they were real brave, they'd say it to your face. My policy is that if someone can't say it to my face, I don't care. Apparently they are so unnerved by nerds they can't even wait around to say it to you.
See, nerds are badasses anyways. Look at the The IDF, where normal Israeli nerds go to become ass-kicking Israeli nerds.
What an amusing thread. ::in my best Yoda voice:: Sir K and Uri, I sense much anger in you...
The note in the PHB was once a way I had thought of meeting some new players by putting an ad in a few of them at different book stores. Never had to resort to that since a similar one at my FLGS worked just fine.
Seriously, though. How could you get even remotely angry about that? That's friggin' funny. Because we all know how well muscle-bound nerd bashers love hanging out at bookstores. Heh.
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Well, I'm more the rouge type......You are kinda reddish or like makeup in some way? Oh, you mean ROGUE not ROUGE. R-O-G-U-E is the sneaky PC class.
FH (stamping out core class misspellings, one post at a time.)
Hey, Wizards! I'll buy 4e. in a heartbeat if you change rogue back to thief like it oughtta be.
Please lighten up on the threats to use real-world weapons, folks.
In that case I'm going to scry on him and then cast nightmere on him, he'll never beat my DC, no one ever does...
And regarding the previous question.
Yeah, I am somewhat reddish...
And anger?! good lord no! We are role-players, aren't we?
Hey Uri....stay safe over there, buddy. A good friend of mine (also a gamer) did a couple of years in the IDF. He now practices law in Phoenix. We go shooting together whenever we can and I keep trying to buy his 5.56 Galil off him, but I know that he'll never part with it, even though it's the civilian U.S. import model and not the fully automatic real thing.
...and no real world violence against those note creators please. Pity them, for their minds will never know the freedom to roam, to unshackle themselves from the dumbing effects of television, to appreciate the....oh, who am I kidding?
Hey Uri....stay safe over there, buddy. A good friend of mine (also a gamer) did a couple of years in the IDF. He now practices law in Phoenix. We go shooting together whenever we can and I keep trying to buy his 5.56 Galil off him, but I know that he'll never part with it, even though it's the civilian U.S. import model and not the fully automatic real thing.
Kicks like a mule, doesn't it? Ever since I got permission to carry a Galil I never touch that long and clumsy M-16 (no offense...)
Kicks like a mule, doesn't it? Ever since I got permission to carry a Galil I never touch that long and clumsy M-16 (no offense...)
I never fired the 7.62 version, but the 5.56 doesn't kick that bad--maybe a bit more than the AR-15 (which I have, the civilian version of the M-16). I also have a Chinese MAK-90 in 7.62 x39 and a Romanian WASR in 5.56 and the Galil 5.56's recoil is comparable to these AK clones.
I like the Galil because it has the best features of the M-16 and AK-47 mixed together--a more reliable gas piston mechanism and easier portability combined with the longer range accuracy of the M-16.
However, just like the H&K G3 and true FN-FAL's, they're really hard to get over here now unless you're willing to shell out used car type prices.
I had a chance to fire a 9mm Uzi a few years ago when a German Army tank battalion was over here training in the desert, and it takes some real skill to use that fine weapon.
(Sorry--this thread hijacked temporarily by a gun nerd)
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Kicks like a mule, doesn't it? Ever since I got permission to carry a Galil I never touch that long and clumsy M-16 (no offense...)
I carried one of those "clumsy M-16's" for the U. S. Army and I just want to say...you're right, it's a piece of crap! One little speck of sand in the wrong place and you might as well just throw your bullets at the enemy.
I carried one of those "clumsy M-16's" for the U. S. Army and I just want to say...you're right, it's a piece of crap! One little speck of sand in the wrong place and you might as well just throw your bullets at the enemy.
A galil, on the other hand, fires even if feeled with sand and delcious apple juice (and it has 35 bullet clips...) soon both those ARs will be history in the IDF though, with the new Tavor and all...
BTW, how many soldiers are there on these boards?
Former U.S. Army Reserve Combat Medic (8 years)....glorified bed pan pusher...the closest I got to combat was when I heard a car backfire at Ft. Hood in 1988.
As mentioned, one gaming buddy of ours is former IDF and he saw a little bit of street fighting in the Gaza area in the early 90's but he doesn't talk about it. One current member of our group is a Gulf War I veteran and one former member of our group (he doesn't game anymore due to family issues) was in the 1st Armored during Gulf War I and saw a lot of action during that war.
There's also a former Navy Reserve guy in our gaming group, but we don't hold that against him.
I bought a copy of the Players' Hadbook II today and there was this paper that said "You are a f******g nerd." inside. If I ever catch the guy who did that...
Ultradan
Ultradan,
Check your email. I have a few questions for you.
Cheers,
-Josh
Holy Cow!!
Did this ever get blown out of proportion! Let me explain something...
Remember the thread "it's just a game..." and people were arguing about to whom we say such a thing? Well it turns out we can say it to many amongst ourselves.
The paper in the book thing: It didn't happen to me (although I can't say for the other poster; It probably did to him). I wanted to see what kind of reaction it would generate... To prove a point.
So just so we're clear on this : It didn't happen (to me).
If some of us gamers got really aggressive over this, these are the one I say "it's just a game, bub!". And, of course, I'm sorry.
Ultradan
It's okay Ultradan....I think everyone's musings about violence and revenge on D&D haters was kind of tongue in cheek anyway (I hope...at least my musings were and hey I got a chance to talk guns with a guy in the IDF--how cool is that?)
Regardless if there was a note in the book or not, I am constatly amazed by the amount of successful people I know or know about who are gamers, from Hollywood actors, to best selling authors to soldiers to police officers to doctors (well, future doctors) and everything inbetween. Gamers come from just about all walks of life and from just about everywhere across the globe. I guess what I am saying is that the nerd sterotype just doesn't hold water anymore, if it ever did in the first place.
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One thing that surprises me is how much armed forces personnel enjoy D&D. After all, it is all about violence (albeit fantasy and vicarious) - don't you get enough in real life? I'm an accountant, and the nearest I have been to a firearm is when a police officer vaguely pointed one in my direction during a routine patrol in London following a terrorist atrocity (this was the early 90's, so it was the IRA on this occasion). If you have access to real weapons and stuff, what is with the swords (this is just a polite enquiry, not a criticicm)?
A galil, on the other hand, fires even if feeled with sand and delcious apple juice (and it has 35 bullet clips...) soon both those ARs will be history in the IDF though, with the new Tavor and all...
BTW, how many soldiers are there on these boards?
How is the Tavor? From all I’ve seen it looks pretty good, which isn’t saying much when you consider my abysmal ranks in lore: guns.
We do have a solider who plays occasionally in our group, although he doesn’t post on these boards. He returned from Iraq a few months ago. We were really glad to see him back in one piece. First because he’s a friend (and family to one of our group), and second because he had to leave his wife who was pregnant with their first child at the time. Now, thankfully, he’s back and being a wonderful father to their new born daughter.
If you have access to real weapons and stuff, what is with the swords (this is just a polite enquiry, not a criticicm)?
I can’t give you any insight from personal experience, but I’ll pass on what the afore mentioned solider in our group told me. Although he went to Iraq, a lot of his fellow marines were stationed on air craft carriers. His comment was that if this happens to you, one of two things happens. You get very fit, or very smart, because there is nothing else to do other than run laps around the deck, or read books. Some of the guys he knew brought gaming supplies on board to help alleviate the boredom. As a funny anecdote, one of the guys he knew was cleaning his rifle on deck and dropped the firing pin, which promptly rolled overboard. Staring at his now useless gun, his Sargent (I think) came over and began chewing him out. After which, the next officer up the line came over and chewed him out. This continued for a good while as his COs were so bored that yelling at him seemed like a good way to kill some time.
Edit: Sorry for jacking the thread, just seemed like the other topic was dead.
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One thing that surprises me is how much armed forces personnel enjoy D&D. After all, it is all about violence (albeit fantasy and vicarious) - don't you get enough in real life? I'm an accountant, and the nearest I have been to a firearm is when a police officer vaguely pointed one in my direction during a routine patrol in London following a terrorist atrocity (this was the early 90's, so it was the IRA on this occasion). If you have access to real weapons and stuff, what is with the swords (this is just a polite enquiry, not a criticicm)?
It is an escape. You get to shrug off all the responsibility and daily grind of life and go someplace where you can change reality with a few arcane words. You are no longer a cop, marine, doctor, lawyer, grocery bagger... You are Relthien the Scourge of the Dark Lands and whoa unto those who seek to thwart your righteous wrath!!
If I don't get my dose of escape every week life starts to really get tobe a drag. Some people hit the bar once a week, some people golf, some people read, etc, and depending on how much stress everyday life causes people may have several different "releases". We game. We game because gaming lets us take control in an environment where a mistake won't make us miss a mortgage payment, or ruin a car, or miss a landmine. The only repercussion is a doodle on a character sheet or the re-rolling of a character. Nobody gets hurt. Nobody dies. Nobody loses real-life "stuff". We may work for an overbearing *ss daily, and eat *hit daily to put food on the table, or we may risk life to keep our ideals and freedoms alive but when we hold the dice....we can fly, we can challenge the gods, we can slay the Wyrm.....and nobody gets hurt.
Thats how I see it.
FH (I could've been a dreamer!)
Fake Healer summed it up nicely.
If you have access to real weapons and stuff, what is with the swords (this is just a polite enquiry, not a criticicm)?
I enjoy shooting my weapons for recreation, target shooting and such. I view them as tools that I hope to never have to use, but I have a responsibility to keep them safe (they're stored in an 800 pound armored vault when at home). I look at my relationship with my firearms as similar to any relationship that some people have with tools they enjoy using. Being able to properly and safely use a firearm is a good skill to have.
While I carry a gun at work, I don't "like" carrying a gun, if that makes sense. I wish I didn't have to carry one, but even in the U.K. there are more armed patrols now due to societal changes, I understand. I've been shot at twice in my career and I've had to "almost" shoot somebody on several occasions. Each time we were able to defuse the situation with alternative methods, for which I am very thankful and glad.
My wife has a gun for self-defense. When I'm not at home, she unlocks it and keeps it by her bedside. She also hopes to never have to use it, but I'm comforted by the fact that we don't have to depend on others to protect us. Police response time in big cities is sometimes unpredictable and it's good to know that you don't have to just sit there and "be a victim."
I truly wish firearms weren't necessary and no one would have to own one, but wishing it and the reality of life are two different things. Irresponsible gun owners in the U.S. get a lot of press, especially in places with draconian gun laws, such as Europe.
I want to point out that I don't think the U.S. gun laws are worse than Europe's or that European countries are wrong for having strict gun laws--every place in the world is different and what is good for the goose isn't always good for the gander in this case.
BTW, how many soldiers are there on these boards?
Well, I just did the mandatory service in germany, 15 months at that time. My job was to drive a truck for a medical unit, and the Bundeswehr did not go into foreign countries at that time, so I saw no action. But I´m indeed happy that it was that way. It was in 1989/90, and during that time the Iron Curtain fell. Lots of people, military as well, were quite nervous, and one spark could have lit a powder keg, but the cool heads prevailed. That was enough real thrill for me, thank you.
I remember using a H&K G3, which was the standard gun at the time, that was older than me... As we put it: Twenty warning shots and one well-aimed throw was all you got. :-)
I hope for every soldier here that he gets out of the action alive and well in body and mind.
Stefan
Remember the thread "it's just a game..." and people were arguing about to whom we say such a thing? Well it turns out we can say it to many amongst ourselves.The paper in the book thing: It didn't happen to me (although I can't say for the other poster; It probably did to him). I wanted to see what kind of reaction it would generate... To prove a point.
So just so we're clear on this : It didn't happen (to me).
If some of us gamers got really aggressive over this, these are the one I say "it's just a game, bub!". And, of course, I'm sorry.
Ultradan
Kudos to UD for starting this thread with the intent of conducting a small sociological study on the internet board gaming community here. It is not the approach that i would take for a number of reasons (not worth going into here), but the end goal is a worthy one. As a genereal consideration: What, if anything, have we learned from this exercise? I would submit that there are a few obvious points to ponder:
1. In a community board setting, individual readers initially take posts asa. Truthful - there aren't many reasons for posters here to lie as the majority of posts are objectively or rules based - one that is based on point of perspective and the other that can be researched.
b. Response worthy - when one posts to a community board, he/she is requesting (either directly or indirectly) some kind of response from the others within that community.
c. Germane- even on a general discussion board, this group is concerned with topics that are somehow related to either D&D (the game) or the peripheral lifestyles that we gamers collectively experience.
2. Was the study a successful one? What have we learned? I'm not sure...it would have been interesting to see more posts from others - additional data points would have afforded the opportunity to point at a successful generalization of posters in this community.
3. Apparently there are ramifications that go beyond the scope of a simple study on these boards as moderators become involved. What those ramifications are, i don't know...but it is good to keep in mind that these boards ARE bing moderated and there are subjects that require intervention by the folks at Paizo (who are doing a great job in my estimation).
As ever,
ACE
Well, I'm more the rouge type......You are kinda reddish or like makeup in some way? Oh, you mean ROGUE not ROUGE. R-O-G-U-E is the sneaky PC class.
FH (stamping out core class misspellings, one post at a time.)
Thanks, that has been bugging me since I started reading this board....just didn't say anything.
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Thanks, that has been bugging me since I started reading this board....just didn't say anything.Well, I'm more the rouge type......You are kinda reddish or like makeup in some way? Oh, you mean ROGUE not ROUGE. R-O-G-U-E is the sneaky PC class.
FH (stamping out core class misspellings, one post at a time.)
Just doing my job, Citizen. Up and awaaaaayyyyyyy!!!
FH (a.k.a The Rouge Rogue that reddens at midnight)
To tell the truth, FH, you are the reason that I always make sure to spell the word right. My fingers can get slippery on the keys sometimes, but the thought of your reprimand makes me always check to see if I'm talking cosmetics or sneaks.
I told the guys at work about the "hate" note in a DnD book and they could not stop laughing. Most expressed interest in doing it themselves. I think (thought?) it was hilarious as well.
As far as the "experiment" I think that it is frightening how many gamers were willing (perhaps they were joking?) to resort to violence because they were insulted. But I have seen this attitude enough times in real life (including from myself) to think that perhaps (we) aren't joking.
As far as the "experiment" I think that it is frightening how many gamers were willing (perhaps they were joking?) to resort to violence because they were insulted. But I have seen this attitude enough times in real life (including from myself) to think that perhaps (we) aren't joking.
I can't speak for the others, but personally I was, as I said before, role-playing. I can't imagine anything that will make me want to shoot someone unless in self-defense or a righteous vendetta :)
Presently, I have a desk job which is like a normal job only you don't get paid (except by Paizo, thanks guys! :)) and have to wear a silly hat on your left shoulder (nobody really knows why...). My job has nothing to do with violence or adventuring and is rather daft.But, when I was a doing a course in a closed base (returned home only once per two weekends) I managed to organize a group from a bunch of total non-gamers, at the first weekend they laughed at my nerdhood. By the end of the course they actually bugged me to DM into the night...
Everyone enjoys forgetting that he is stuck in a small and ugly base, working 17 hours a day and getting yelled at most of the time and being free like the wind for a few hours…
All of my players are soldiers, BTW, most of them combatants (no cool war stories though)
What an amusing thread. ::in my best Yoda voice:: Sir K and Uri, I sense much anger in you...
The Anger it gives me focus. Embrace your emotions and passion and it will give you strength. ERRAAAHHHH!!! (Fireballs and Lightnigbolts flash every where)
Guys, y'know - actually, we are all nerds. Love your inner nerd, it is what makes you smarter than the general populace. So forget the threats of violence, and merely pity the people who have never known the joy of slaying a dragon.
PEACE
"Embrace thy inner nerd." That's one of my mantras. I try to spread it to gamers everywhere. If you play D&D your a NERD! Embrace it, live it and enjoy it.
Holy Cow!!
Did this ever get blown out of proportion! Let me explain something...
Remember the thread "it's just a game..." and people were arguing about to whom we say such a thing? Well it turns out we can say it to many amongst ourselves.
The paper in the book thing: It didn't happen to me (although I can't say for the other poster; It probably did to him). I wanted to see what kind of reaction it would generate... To prove a point.
So just so we're clear on this : It didn't happen (to me).
If some of us gamers got really aggressive over this, these are the one I say "it's just a game, bub!". And, of course, I'm sorry.
Ultradan
It's just a game, JUST A GAME!!!! NOOOOOO!!! It is the ultimate game... A game for those of us who are brighter and smarter than the others. Those nerd haters Damn them and fire ball them all. (Just joking OK)
I apologize those who took me to serious. Never take me serious I never take myself serious.
I think I used this post to vent some of my frustrations at work. The last few weeks have been rough. I live in a small town with big city vices (desperate runn aways, serious drug addictions meth, crack, heroine, and hookers)
Sorry.