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Not to be toooooo nitpicky, but doesn't it hurt the entire idea of Doppelgangers in an adventure if you announce it on the cover? :)
(and yes, my players know they're in the Age of Worms set, and I'm sure half of them will see the cover. Doubt it'll make too much of a problem, but still!)
Well... the cover doesn't say there are doppelgangers IN the adventure path adventure. Techniclaly, this is true; there are more doppelgangers in that issue than you'd expect.
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Sure it does, "Age of Worms: Death and Doppelgangers" so ha! :pWell... the cover doesn't say there are doppelgangers IN the adventure path adventure. Techniclaly, this is true; there are more doppelgangers in that issue than you'd expect.Not to be toooooo nitpicky, but doesn't it hurt the entire idea of Doppelgangers in an adventure if you announce it on the cover? :)
(and yes, my players know they're in the Age of Worms set, and I'm sure half of them will see the cover. Doubt it'll make too much of a problem, but still!)
meh. I never read the cover lines anyway.
Where is this issue 127 you speak of? I still see 126 on the Dungeon page.
You and your clever treasure hunts!
So, uh... technically, we're not saying whether that's the real cover or not, seeing as there are no links to that file on our site.
The ENWorld link reading:
"Paizo has posted the cover for Dungeon #127 here."
...really aught to read:
"Someone has been poking around on the Paizo server and is sharing their discovery of what could be the cover for Dungeon #127 here."
- rob
Whoa that's a really cool cover!
Whoa that's a really cool cover!
That really is an amazing cover. It even outdoes the Kraken cover. You all have selected some wonderful artists and artwork.
Which brings me to a slightly off topic question: is the gnome from waterdeep (in the latest issue of Dragon) a twin sister to the gnome in the Shackled City hardcover? Except for the laughing eyes and mouth (from the book) the two seem to be identical.
I've noticed, in looking over some older products that there's been quite a bit of "grafting" from one source to another: for instance, a cover of an elven bard singing to a black dragon from a Dragon magazine appeared, later, on a boxset for Dragonlance. A cover of Dragon (depicting the final battle between Arthur and Modred) appeared on a later Boxset for Greyhawk called "Wars."
Not to be toooooo nitpicky, but doesn't it hurt the entire idea of Doppelgangers in an adventure if you announce it on the cover? :)
Well, it's just a good thing there haven't been any other spoilers available on the Internet, like a big outline or uh... uhm... =DRAT!= ;-)
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I've noticed, in looking over some older products that there's been quite a bit of "grafting" from one source to another: for instance, a cover of an elven bard singing to a black dragon from a Dragon magazine appeared, later, on a boxset for Dragonlance. A cover of Dragon (depicting the final battle between Arthur and Modred) appeared on a later Boxset for Greyhawk called "Wars."
TSR was somewhat notorius within the industry for recycling art.
-Vic.
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TSR was somewhat notorius within the industry for recycling art.-Vic.
As opposed to WotC being notorious for recycling feats? :)
Can you guys explain where you saw the cover? It sunds so cool.
Just as a note... I haven't seen the cover yet, but I generally frown on anything that gives away a major clue to a module contained within. Why? Well, a player, if they are going to cheat, has to actively do so... say, downloading the Overload or opening up the magazine and reading the adventure. With the cover, that's not true... a player could simply see the cover in their FLGS while glancing around the store and then have a good idea about what they're going to face. Information is released accidentally.
Note: I do mean for any module within the mag, not just AP2!
Course, it's a pain to come up with a decent cover not related to the modules within, but it can be done. At least no "Dopplegangers in the Free City!" blurbs on the cover, please? (I've got two changeling players and a doppleganger player in my two AoW campaigns, and I want that module to be a surprise!)
Squid
By the time I run an adventure in Dungeon, any players who has seen a cover will forget about it by then.
I usually remove the cover or cover-up the cover when I run a published adventure.
Peace and smiles :)
j.
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We generally try to avoid spoilers on the covers, but we can't always do so. Putting the word Doppelganger on the cover made sense in this case because the issue is strangely infested with them.
And in any event, the presence of doppelgangers in "Hall of Harsh Reflections" is made apparent fairly early in the adventure. It's not their presence in the adventure that's the suprise, it's the way it's handled.
That said... hiding the cover to the adventure from those players is probably good advice for any adventure you're planning on running, if only because the coolest thing to illustrate in an adventure is usually the climax and that's often what ends up on a cover.
Not to be toooooo nitpicky, but doesn't it hurt the entire idea of Doppelgangers in an adventure if you announce it on the cover? :)
(and yes, my players know they're in the Age of Worms set, and I'm sure half of them will see the cover. Doubt it'll make too much of a problem, but still!)
Hey, it can't be as bad as the old Dungeon cover showing the Leprechaun painting the cow green. Then to discover the plot of the module to be: "Who's painting Farmer Brown's cows green?"
Whoever made that decision should still be smacking themselves squarely on the forehead first thing each morning. :)
I understand the need for spoilers on the cover. Be it the art or blurbs.
You want the cover to stand out on the newsstands. You want the person browsing to see it and pick it up and hopefully buy it.
Peace and smiles :)
j.
p.s. You had an illithid on a Dragon cover not too long ago. That one was better.
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Hey, it can't be as bad as the old Dungeon cover showing the Leprechaun painting the cow green. Then to discover the plot of the module to be: "Who's painting Farmer Brown's cows green?"
Whoever made that decision should still be smacking themselves squarely on the forehead first thing each morning. :)
Yay! That issue was my first appearance in Dungeon! I didn't do the green cow adventure though...
Anyway... on the topic of cover spoilers. There's not much to be done. The cover is one of the most important tools we have to sell an issue of the magazine, and as such we want to make sure that what's on that cover is as compelling a scene as we can make it. Sometimes, the most compelling scene in that issue's adventures happens to be spoilerriffic.
Spoilerrific???
Spoilerrific???As in... full of potential to spoil the surprise if viewed in advance of the proper time.
Thank you...wouldn't that be spoilerrible??
In any case, AoW rocks and I can't wait to finish up my current campaign and start running it....