Basic D&D is Greyhawk correct? I noticed the gods are Greyhawk and the picture of coins are stamped with Greyhawk as well as many other Greyhawk references.
As of DnD 3.0 the 'default' setting for DnD is now greyhawk......
Take Greyhawk and strip it of it's rich history and culture and you have the default setting. Even the 32-page D&D Gazetteer was a stripped down version of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer.
The advantage to this default setting is that players can pick up the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer and learn about the entire world without wrestling with new gaming mechanics or changes in culture.
I would say it borrows some proper nouns and such, but the "default setting" is not a coherent campaign world in any way. It has no geography, history, political organizations, etc.
As mentioned, though, the familiarity bred by the names of gods and such can make the actual Greyhawk core setting book (the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer) easier to grasp for a newbie.
Many of us feel that this is a good start, but not nearly enough and that WotC should support the Greyhawk setting with not just brief references, but a series of large, detailed world books like Eberron and Forgotten Realms have instead of just the LGG.
I agree!!!!!!!!!!
Greyhawk is simply not supported at all by WotC. Very sad for a supposed 'Default Setting'.
'Living Greyhawk' is ok (I play it), but sucks as a home campaign (unless you want only to play in your region of Greyhawk). In Australia, it's Perrenland with a flight of hundreds of miles to play other regions, except as Cores. I feel It is a very nice 'side trek' from a home campaign.
It certainly is easier to run a Campaign in FR or E with the stuff WotC produce for those settings. WotC, T$R both, it seems to me just really ignore Greyhawk.
Thank goodness for Dungeon! At least we have some great adventures to work with.
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I agree!!!!!!!!!!
Greyhawk is simply not supported at all by WotC. Very sad for a supposed 'Default Setting'.
'Living Greyhawk' is ok (I play it), but sucks as a home campaign (unless you want only to play in your region of Greyhawk). In Australia, it's Perrenland with a flight of hundreds of miles to play other regions, except as Cores. I feel It is a very nice 'side trek' from a home campaign.
It certainly is easier to run a Campaign in FR or E with the stuff WotC produce for those settings. WotC, T$R both, it seems to me just really ignore Greyhawk.
Thank goodness for Dungeon! At least we have some great adventures to work with.
God Bless,
Andrew
OK I have heard this rant many times before. But I really, really, really, really like the fact that WOTC is not making oodles of Greyhawk Products.
For my money the 32 page gazette that came out with game just after 3E came out is the best value for money out there. Enough that a DM doesn't have to spend eons with maps, and histories, and creating gods, etc., but lean enough that there is plenty of room to stretch.
Also any Campaign System that has multiple books coming out is going to have a Meta-plot. Which really screws up my fun. Gotta have the next book to find out what happens!
Deadlands and AEG were the king of the Metaplot.
Greyhawk to me is a bit more like aturian legend and myths in general all wrapped up into one. There is so much *contrary* cannon, that there should be no expectation that any single person greyhawk is the same as anyone elses. But somehow, guess what - they all feel like greyhawk.
MY Free City made not look like yours, cause most of the "offical" maps are out of print or can be hard to find. But you will still know its the Free City.
Anyway - careful what you wish for. I think the worse thing that could happen is if GH got supported like the Realms.
I remember the 1st Ed Realms. It was new and cool. Alittle more constrainging, but still enough room to flex. [hell it was only two "relatively" thin books"] But now, now it is all full up.
I see Eberron headin' that way soon. MY Xendrik drow were completly different than the "offical" ones that came out. Back to GH for me. Where I can flex my creative juices a bit more.
Cheers for now,
I agree with DMSteve.
However, what was missing from Greyhawk for me were maps. This problem seems to be disappearing though as Dungeon produces adventures in various locations of GH and the mega campaign map was superb.
What I would love in addition to this is a detailed map of the Free City. No leading plots, just the map. That would be cool.
Does anyone have a "official" answer as to why WOTC has not done more specific support? Since 3.0 came out the only Greyhawk specific products WOTC has come out with have been the D&D Gazeteer, LGG, Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil and a few novels. Is there some business (legal/royalty/popularity) issue involved?
Does anyone have a "official" answer as to why WOTC has not done more specific support? Since 3.0 came out the only Greyhawk specific products WOTC has come out with have been the D&D Gazeteer, LGG, Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil and a few novels. Is there some business (legal/royalty/popularity) issue involved?
Tizoc?
Anyway, I've argued about this particular subject on numerous boards and chatrooms. My personal take, is that Greyhawk is such a legal mine-field, and has such a loyal, vocal, and divided fan-base, that producing ANYTHING for Greyhawk is like sticking a fork in your eye, salting it and then jumping up and down and singing Celine Dion songs... on a bed of hot coals.
Does anyone have a "official" answer as to why WOTC has not done more specific support? Since 3.0 came out the only Greyhawk specific products WOTC has come out with have been the D&D Gazeteer, LGG, Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil and a few novels. Is there some business (legal/royalty/popularity) issue involved?
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=395908
Basic D&D is Greyhawk correct? I noticed the gods are Greyhawk and the picture of coins are stamped with Greyhawk as well as many other Greyhawk references.
I assume you're talking about the D&D 3rd edition "Basic Set" which came out recently? If so, then yes, I assume it uses the same "greyhawk as the default setting" that the rest of 3rd edition uses.
If, however, you mean the REAL Basic D&D (the old pink or red box sets, along with the Expert, Companion, Master and Immortal Sets and the Rules Cyclopedia), then no, the default setting for that edition of D&D is "the Known World", later called Mystara in the short run it had as an AD&D 2nd edition setting.
Basic D&D is Greyhawk correct? I noticed the gods are Greyhawk and the picture of coins are stamped with Greyhawk as well as many other Greyhawk references.I assume you're talking about the D&D 3rd edition "Basic Set" which came out recently? If so, then yes, I assume it uses the same "greyhawk as the default setting" that the rest of 3rd edition uses.
If, however, you mean the REAL Basic D&D (the old pink or red box sets, along with the Expert, Companion, Master and Immortal Sets and the Rules Cyclopedia), then no, the default setting for that edition of D&D is "the Known World", later called Mystara in the short run it had as an AD&D 2nd edition setting.
I don't think Oggh was referring to any box sets. I think Oggh was referring to core D&D in general.
I am surprised to find there is not a Greyhawk campaign setting. With everything that I have heard of Greyhawk, I had assumed that they had a complete campaign setting for it. Has anyone here submitted anything to WotC directly to encourage this?
I am surprised to find there is not a Greyhawk campaign setting. With everything that I have heard of Greyhawk, I had assumed that they had a complete campaign setting for it. Has anyone here submitted anything to WotC directly to encourage this?
The living Greyhawk Gazetteer is the closest thing you'll get. What makes it great is that it has no rules supplements or variants; it's entirely composed of overview and historical information for each region, nation, and environs as well as information on races, languages, dieties, and organizations. The requests for newer Greyhawk resources are tireless and so far Paizo has been the only official source to answer the call.
and therefore, thank god for Paizo. I think that Greyhawk fans are extremely lucky to have someone like Eric Mona heading up Dungeon. As someone who obviously loves Greyhawk, the stuff that we get in Dungeon is top notch. Quite frankly, even though I am still not completely sold on 3rd edition versus 1st or second), the actual flavour of the Greyhawk adventures coming out in the magazine every month is way way way better than Greyhawk material produced in the dark days of TSR (Puppets?, Childs Play?, All that Glitters? Castle Greyhawk---ok, I enjoyed parts of it but ya can't run it in a serious campaign....).
Anyway, If Dungeon is where I have to go to get my Greyhawk fix, then that is what I shall buy. If wizards were smart they would stop putting out trash like Ghostwalk and instead do another Greyhawk super module..but guess Dungeon has pre-empted them again with AP.
Here's a clue Wizards, I make a six figure income, I have lots of buying power, I am an old time Greyhawk fan..I will buy every super adventure greyhawk hardcover you produce provided the material is quality. I will not buy things that do not interest me, such as new Ebberon modules, Frostburn/Sandstorm etc...
I hear everyone re: Greyhawk. More stuff would be cool (or would have been cool from TSR). The only thing is, Greyhawk was kind of cool for First Edition because it had so little, which meant you had to buy less. Forgotten Realms, in my humble opinion, got way out of hand. I guess for me, a balance of materials would work, but not the commercial onslaught.