Hurley to Sayid: "Maybe if you had more comfort food, you wouldn't have to go around killing people."
LOL
|
I'm beginning to think that...
I hope that Sun doesn't go all "evil" and turn against the other survivors.
I'm beginning to think that...
** spoiler omitted **
So what if
So what if
** spoiler omitted **
My thoughts on where the show is going, despite my inability to hold the entire storyline in my head...
This thing has looked a bit Tommyknockers to me since halfway through the first season, and aliens may be talking to and sending visuals to Gilligan and company telepathically... taking on the aspects of dead people they knew (people 'lost' to them), just as aliens chose Jodie Foster's dad in Contact -- an 'of course that's what they'd do' moment in a film few people knew enough to appreciate.
Thing is, I have a feeling the show's writers may pay attention to what their fans most popular guesses are and then just change direction. The show has probably had many different resolves, each abandoned along the way. What we know is that the Dharma Initiative is responsible for the many stations, all newer construction... but not that wheel. Although there was that key that Desmond turned that made the sky go white that first time. Hrmm. All in all... people are having strength and health conferred through their present location... that's Cocoon... that's Lost Horizon.
Being that time-shift technology is involved in all of this, that underground wheel could be part of a spaceship from the future, perhaps or human origin.
Why does the island, an entity with a disembodied voice and agenda, want certain people to stay, and certain people especially to live? I have a feeling it may need the people to do something for it. Something unrelated to faith or secrets. Maybe its agenda will resolve itself by the season finale. Hard to imagine, because I could see them finishing the season but making us wait for a major motion picture, but maybe.
Linus, cold as he is, seems to be an island loyalist. Widmore, not so much. Aberzombie thinks Widmore may be the captain of that galleon... I could see that. Nestor Carbonell's unaging character is very sailor-of-old as well, and always take the place of second officer. Did pirates land on an island and start killing the happy, perhaps alien, natives? Did Carbonell's character and 'others' mutiny against this horrible imperialism in the face of paradise and win, then live in harmonic bliss until the next 'pirates' came to claim power... the Dharma Initiative? Meanwile, Captain Widmore is out there, enjoying immortality, yet furious over his first mate's treachery. Perhaps Widmore sent the Dharma Initiative to the island in the first place, but the mutineers won yet again.
Aaron, Claire's baby, seems to be a player. If he got off the island, what would be the problem? The island seems to be using Claire's aspect to talk, but didn't it ask Kate, back in California, to keep the baby away from the island? Yet Linus is ready to bring the kid back to the island... Since Linus tends to Lorax for the island, these two facts contradict a single agenda (unless I misremembered).
wow. Im stoked again for this friggin show! The next couple episodes are going to RAWK!
I love this show. So far, I've been really impressed with this season, also (happily).
Has anyone else checked out the webpage for Adjira Airways yet?
Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
|
I can't wait to find out what happened to Rose and Bernard!
I love that the show keeps me actively guessing, year in, year out... even in the final year.
I love that the show keeps me actively guessing, year in, year out... even in the final year.I'm pretty sure next year is the final year.
Whahuh? Really? I thought this was the final year? I will locate and push pillow suffocate my faulty source.
I thought Lost was supposed to be six seasons from conception (so I was told, anyway)...
All I have to say about last weeks episode...
Three years later, Three years Earlier, Three years later, Three years Earlier, Three years later.
Now, we're the ones jumping around through time...
|
Wow - Just caught Lock's Movement of the "Wheel of Time" at the Orchid Site - WTF is down there? Something like the ROPE that is now passing through where the Island will be? (Holy Crud! Its going to be the USS Philadelphia), and Sawyer's accident with the Well rope putting it where the the Well is going to Be Dug down to the Cave...
wow.
"Welcome back to the land of the living." ::smirk::
|
|
I loved the "Land of the Living" scene as well. The look on Ben's face was priceless!
I also found it interesting that:
My co-worker pointed out that he thought Sayid was too much a professional to not have killed Ben with one shot at such close range. I think that Sayid still had some tiny measure of guilt over what he was about to do (i.e. murder a young boy), that a small part of him made him "pull his shot" so to speak.
The comments by Richard Alpert that Ben would not remember, but would lose his innocence and be one of them forever. Then he takes Ben into the Temple - much like Rousseau's husband and companions became "sick" after entering the Temple.
Also , I wonder if the woman Richard referred to was, perhaps, Charles wife and Penny's mother. Could Penny have been born on the Island?
All in all, this season has kicked ass. I can't wait for the finale which, according to wikipedia, is titled "The Incident".
|
|
I loved the "Land of the Living" scene as well. The look on Ben's face was priceless!
I also found it interesting that:
** spoiler omitted **
All in all, this season has kicked ass. I can't wait for the finale which, according to wikipedia, is titled "The Incident".
Yes, Ellie is Eloise...Penny's mother.
Jack and Sayid created Ben...craziness...
I totally agree, this season kicks much time-travel paradoxical anus!
I love how the writers are saying basically "Screw new viewers!" Can you imagine trying to watch that particular episode with absolutely no knowledge of anything thats gone on? Actually this whole season would be bad to jump into cold. I LOVE IT!!! I think this is how drama shows should evolve for the next bit. Just write amazing stuff and if you catch on late...goto Hulu/torrent/dvd box sets. Im tired of every Spidey/Hulk/Bats movie spending 20 mins retelling the friggin origin story.
Im tired of every Spidey/Hulk/Bats movie spending 20 mins retelling the friggin origin story.
Way off topic.
Funny that you mentioned Hulk.
Incredible Hulk was a reboot and yet it DIDNT retell the origin story.
Anyway I also love how you need to see all the previous Lost episodes to understand whats going on.
I just love the show in general :)
You're right, but you know what I mean. Superhero movies were just an easy target. There should be amazing stories told, not 'catching the new audience up to speed'. I could even do without the "Previously" minute or so to use it for forwarding the story.
** spoiler omitted **We've seen the backside of the four-toed statue when Sawyer at al where bouncing around in time on the island. I bet if they ever show the front of the statue, it's a statue of Richard Alpert; a living (immortal?) personification of The Island.
-Skeld
Some have thought the statue was:
"Early during the Old Kingdom, the Egyptians came to see female hippopotamuses as less aggressive than the males, and began to view their aggression only as one of protecting their young and being good mothers, particularly since it is the males that are territorially aggressive. Consequently, Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies. Her image could also be found on knives made from hippopotamus ivory, which would be used as wands in rituals to drive evil spirits away from mothers and children."
And the whole issue with pregnancy on the island, that at one time it was fine, but lately (as in closer to "true" current day) it is not, perhaps somebody pissed off the Goddess.
|
|
Interesting episode last night:
Also, I wonder if there's more to the Ben-Desmond-Penny situation. Otherwise, why would he ask Sun to tell Desmond he's sorry - just for trying to kill Penny?
I did like the scene in the tunnels below the Temple. The image of what appeared to be the smoke monster and Anubis was.....intriguing.
Lastly, does anyone else think that maybe Illana and some of the other 316 survivors have become "infected", the way Danielle's friends and husband were all those years ago?
"Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?" - creepy!
There were too many moments in the latest episode to just put down one quote. I am truly impressed with the twists and turns the writers and actors put into the show week after week. Great work, everyone!
Thoughts on the last episode:
As for the french guys they were "infected" by whatever "changed" Benry as a child. Remember it was said he would never be the same.
The people on the plane are not "infected" they are mercenaries of Witmore's. The box they are preparing to carry is Witmore (in one form or another).
I wanna know where the heck Rose and Bernard are!
|
|
I liked the Miles background. I saw the revelation of his father coming, but it was still interesting.
As for the "shadow of the statue" people...
The 316 people who grabbed Frank at first showed no signs they were other than "wrong place, wrong time". All of a sudden, they find guns and start muttering weird phrases, which makes me think they were "infected" the same way the french folk were all those years ago.
Either way, I think we'll have to wait until next season for more insight into that. It seems to me the rest of this season will be spent resolving the whole "hanging with the Dharma Initiative in '77" storyline.
Good-Bye, Twitchy!
Do you really think so?
I do.
|
Loved the finale tonight. I can't believe we have to wait until next January to see what happens next. GAH! The rest will be spoilered, just in case (though I suspect that if you don't want spoilers, you wouldn't read a thread called 'Lost').
Now our good and evil sides have faces and names (the two men at the beginning, Jacob and Anti-Jacob). I'm feeling that Jacob is the island's force of good, while the Anti-Jacob/Undead Locke is the force of evil.
Jacob seems to be the force of good to me as he seems to be trying to stop the cycle; at the beginning he mentions change and how if it doesn't end, then at least there's progress. He's talking about the island's battle, I think; caught in an eternal loop of good vs. evil. He's trying to stop it by leading people onto the island (thus the ship in the distance, which I think is the Black Rock and the crashing of Oceanic 815).
Also, him sitting at the foot of an Ancient Egyptian statue holding an ankh (a symbol for life) further reinforces the idea that he is the 'good' one. He seems to represent life as a force, possibly even the healing factor of the island. Immortality is a strong theme in the show so far (Richard, and the Valenzetti Equation) and Jacob has the power to maintain life (as seen through Richard).
The anti-Jacob (a friend of mine compares him to Anubis (god of mummification and the afterlife, or, death), which I think is apt), controls the opposite: death. He can appear as any dead soul, and I think he is also the Smoke Monster. Which means over the course of the show, all the dead characters have been created by Anti-Jacob/Anubis to stop Jacob's plans. Looking back at what the Monster/Christian has done, it all fits with the agenda of stopping Jacob.
So now this helps explain almost everything that has happened before in the show! Knowing this, I want to go back and watch the whole series again to see how it all connects and how Anti-Jacob has been playing the game all along...
Another important dichotomy that is related here is Choice vs. Destiny, wherein Jacob's interests fall into Choice (he's always giving choices, even when Ben is about to kill him), Anti-Jacob/Anubis' fall into Destiny (forcing certain events, such as death). It also goes with the island's current situation; lost in a continuous cycle of death and rebirth, fighting between two factions (there are always more "others"). Anubis is attempting to keep this cycle going, while Jacob is trying to break free.
How is he trying to break free? The hydrogen bomb. The flashbacks show him touching each and every one of the people who contribute to the destruction of the bomb, leading me to believe that he's influenced them to actually be able to change what's happening on the island, and that is also why the show's logo was inversed at the end (black writing over a white background instead of white writing on a black backround); it indicates that for the first time something has changed.
As for what's next... who knows?!?! But I cannot wait for next year's premiere.
Anyone catch some more stuff?
WHY DID SHE CHANGE HER MIND?!?!!?!?! GAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Well here is my take on the two.It's easy to say that one is good and one is evil. BUT remember who set it up so Syiad's wife gets run over. Now one may say that if the time line gets reset that it will not have happen. But still I can see Jacob as self serving esp when He tells Ben "what about you" . Remember the conversation in the beginning of "The Incident" ? Mr. Black says something like "everytime they come and its the same" while Jocob says something like " yes it does but to a point something gets accomplished" They're not talking about humans in general, but these same humans. The two have done this before many times, manipulating the timeline over and over again. Neither of them are human, only having taken human form from time to time. When they do take human form they are ageless but can die.
|
|
Well here is my take on the two.It's easy to say that one is good and one is evil. BUT remember who set it up so Syiad's wife gets run over. Now one may say that if the time line gets reset that it will not have happen. But still I can see Jacob as self serving esp when He tells Ben "what about you" . Remember the conversation in the beginning of "The Incident" ? Mr. Black says something like "everytime they come and its the same" while Jocob says something like " yes it does but to a point something gets accomplished" They're not talking about humans in general, but these same humans. The two have done this before many times, manipulating the timeline over and over again. Neither of them are human, only having taken human form from time to time. When they do take human form they are ageless but can die.
I admit that my theory that Jacob is the benevolent force is not exactly solid, but at the very least, he seems to represent life. Though, of course, that doesn't mean he's good, just that we generally associate life and good together.
However, as you say, the two talk about how every time things end up the same, while Jacob says there's progress. It's worth noting that this conversation occurs as the Black Rock is crashing into the island; they could have been the first group that he tried to use to set things right.
My feeling is that he is trying to stop the endless time cycle connected to the island. I also think that the people he touched are going to be the only characters who "remember" what happened on the island once everything 'resets,' and that's why they spent so much time focusing on Jacob's touch. Also, I feel that this iteration, something is different; Juliet was the only one who was not touched by Jacob, which makes me feel that she might be the "variable" who can change things, which is why she's the one who is able to detonate the bomb, while Jack & Co. don't succeed. So now the bomb went off, and I think that's the first time in the many iterations that this has happened.
Of course, there's no real way to find out until next January. :)