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I was having trouble visualizing the weapon proficiency progressions for the various classes, so I made up some tables. I thought I'd share them in case they can help others.

I made sure to include special cases like the Fighter's Chosen Weapon Group and the Deity's Favored Weapon options for clerics. I based the Unarmed Strike rules on the statements developers have made regarding the upcoming errata. There is some guessing involved so those might need some changes in the future.

Please let me know if you notice any errors or omissions. Enjoy!


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I've been playing around with using Wizard Dedication to make 'Eldritch Knight' builds and 'Arcane Trickster' builds, and I just noticed this fact about Magical Staves.

CRB,p. 592 wrote:
Staves are also staff weapons (page 280), included in their Price. They can be etched with runes as normal for a staff. This doesn’t alter any of their spellcasting abilities.

This got me thinking about the Shifting Rune which would let the Staff become any other one-handed melee weapon.

CRB, p. 585 wrote:
The weapon takes the shape of another melee weapon that requires the same number of hands to wield. The weapon’s runes and any precious material it’s made of apply to the weapon’s new shape. Any property runes that can’t apply to the new form are suppressed until the item takes a shape to which they can apply.

I can think of a lot of cool options for this. For example, a thief-based 'Arcane Trickster' might have a Staff of Abjuration and shift it into a rapier. That gives them a weapon that can take advantage of their Dexterity-based offensive abilities while also providing a range of defensive options like shield, feather fall, and resist energy. They could also turn the Staff into a dagger for easy storage or concealment.

Does anyone knows of any rule that would prevent the Staff's spellcasting powers from functioning while it is in an alternate form?


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For the last two days I haven't been able to load paizo.com through my iPhone, iPad, or Mac. I've just discovered that it loads if I turn wifi off and use LTE on my iPhone. I'm not having any difficulties with any other websites. Does anyone know of a potential fix for this?


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I’m working on a list of the different types of spellcasters available from Paizo. I’d appreciate it if anyone can help corrrect any errors or omissions. The list uses the following format:

Class: Magic Type (Casting Stat) - Prepared/Spontaneous (Max Spell Level)

If a class has options, like archetypes, which alter these elements, they are listed below the basic class information.

Link to updated Google Docs version.

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Original List:
Arcanist: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (9th)

Bard: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Bloodrager: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th)

Cleric: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (9th)

Druid: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (9th)

Fighter
-Child of Acavna and Amaznen Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (4th)

Hunter: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

Inquisitor: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Living Grimoire Archetype: Divine (Int) - Prepared (6th)

Investigator
-Psychic Detective Archetype: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Questioner Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)

Magus: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (6th)
-Eldritch Scion Archetype: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Mindblade Archetype: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)

Medium: Psychic (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th)
-Archmage Spirit: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Heirophant Spirit: Divine (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Mesmerist: Psychic (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Occultist: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Reliquarian Archetype: Divine (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Silksworn Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)

Oracle: Divine (Cha) - Spontaneous (9th)

Paladin: Divine (Cha) - Prepared (4th)

Psychic: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (9th)

Ranger: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (4th)

Shaman: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (9th)

Skald: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Sorcerer: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (9th)
-Wildblooded Archetype (Empyreal Bloodline): Arcane (Wis) - Spontaneous (9th)
-Wildblooded Archetype (Sage Bloodline): Arcane (Int) - Spontaneous (9th)
-Psychic Bloodline: Psychic (Cha) - Spontaneous (9th)

Spiritualist: Psychic (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

Summoner: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Vigilante
-Cabalist Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (6th)
-Warlock Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (6th)
-Zealot Archetype: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

Warpriest: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (6th)

Witch: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (9th)

Wizard: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (9th)

Edited to add Google Docs version.


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Question

Does Arcane Strike add its damage to Rays which cause damage?

Overview

This has been discussed many times in these threads before without definitive resolution. But I believe that the Warlock's Mystic Bolt ability clarifies that Arcane Strike will work with Rays that cause damage.

Relevant Rules

CRB wrote:

Arcane Strike (Combat)

You draw upon your arcane power to enhance your weapons with magical energy.
Prerequisite: Ability to cast arcane spells.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power. For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. For every five caster levels you possess, this bonus increases by +1, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.
FAQ wrote:

Ray: Do rays count as weapons for the purpose of spells and effects that affect weapons?

Yes. (See also this FAQ item or a similar question about rays and weapon feats.)
For example, a bard's inspire courage says it affects "weapon damage rolls," which is worded that way so don't try to add the bonus to a spell like fireball. However, rays are treated as weapons, whether they're from spells, a monster ability, a class ability, or some other source, so the inspire courage bonus applies to ray attack rolls and ray damage rolls.
The same rule applies to weapon-like spells such as flame blade, mage's sword, and spiritual weapon--effects that affect weapons work on these spells.
FAQ wrote:

Weapon Specialization: Can you take Weapon Specialization (ray) or Improved Critical (ray) as feats? How about Weapon Specialization (bomb) or Improved Critical (bomb)?

All four of those are valid choices.
Note that Weapon Specialization (ray) only adds to hit point damage caused by a ray attack that would normally deal hit point damage; it doesn't increase ability score damage or drain (such as the Dexterity drain from polar ray), penalties to ability scores (such as from ray of enfeeblement) or drain, negative levels (such as from enervation), or other damage or penalties from rays.

Thread History

This question has been discussed many times before. Here is a sample of threads, going back as far as 2011, in which the topic has come up.

Weapon Focus & Arcane Strike
Does Arcane Strike work with Ray spells?
Arcane Strike and Ray Spells
Arcane Strike to Rays?
Scorching Ray and Arcane Strike / Weapon Spec.
Can I use arcane strike with acid splash?
Mythic Arcane Strike + Bane + Ray of Frost
Can Wind Wall deflects Rays?
Are rays weapons? and what about other "weapon" feats for them. halp

Arguments

I've seen two different arguments against Arcane Strike working with Rays. The first states that Arcane Strike only applies to weapons and Rays aren't weapons. But the FAQs clearly contradict this. I can't see any justification for this position.

The second argument is more significant. Arcane Strike states that "[a]s a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power." For many people this means that the only weapons that are "charged up" are those in your possession when you perform the swift action. Rays are instantaneous, and so can't persist long enough to perform a swift action. Since Rays can't even exist while you activate Arcane Strike, this argument leads to the conclusion that, in practice, there is no way to apply Arcane Strike to a Ray even though they are treated as weapons. Inspire Courage works with Rays because the ability operates while the Ray is in existence, but Arcane Strike is over before you can make any Rays.

The counterargument is generally based on a different interpretation of the Arcane Strike description. In this view, the swift action isn't the only time window for "charging your weapons." Instead the sentence "[a]s a swift action, you can imbue your weapons with a fraction of your power" is interpreted to mean that it takes a swift action to grant yourself the ability to "charge up" your weapons. Under this interpretation, the next line "[f]or 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction" clarifies that any weapons you use that round, even if they weren't in your possession during the swift action, will gain those benefits. Under this model, Rays would get the increased damage so long as they are used during that round.

If you read through the threads listed above, you will see both of these positions asserted over and over again. There weren't any other rules that enable us to determine which is the correct model for understanding the way Arcane Strike works, so there was no way to resolve the issue. But now that Ultimate Intrigue has introduced the Warlock's Mystic Bolts ability, I believe the deadlock has been resolved.

UI wrote:

Mystic Bolts

...
Creating a mystic bolt requires the hand to be free, but the bolt appears only briefly, so a warlock using mystic bolts has a free hand any time she isn’t attacking with a mystic bolt. The warlock threatens with a mystic bolt, but only if she has a hand free. Because mystic bolts are impermanent, a spell that targets a single weapon (like magic weapon) can’t affect it, nor can a mystic bolt be made with magic weapon special abilities. Abilities that affect all weapon attacks the warlock makes, such as the arcane striker warlock talent, function with mystic bolts.
...

So if you use Arcane Striker (which is just the Arcane Strike feat until 12th level), and then create a Mystic Bolt, the Bolt is affected by Arcane Strike even though it didn't exist during the swift action. The description makes it clear that Arcane Striker doesn't work with Mystic Bolts because of some special dispensation, but rather because it, like Arcane Strike itself, is one of those abilities that affects all weapon attacks. If Arcane Strike really only affects weapons that exist during the swift action, then it shouldn't work on Mystic Bolts. But it does work on Mystic Bolts, so it should also work on Rays.

Discuss or FAQ as you wish. :)


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After a few days of heavy traffic, I'm able to get back on the messageboards using my computer. But my iPhone still just shows the "Heavy Traffic" message with nothing listed below. I can access my account and view my old posts, and if I click on one of them I am able to view that particular thread.

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I really enjoy being able to add enhancements to weapons using Spells, Magic Items, and Class Abilities. I've been keeping a list of methods for doing so, and I thought I would share it. This is my first attempt to publish a document using Google Docs, so please let me know if you experience and technical issues.

Temporary Enhancements to Manufactured Weapons