Help Making a List of All Caster Variations


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I’m working on a list of the different types of spellcasters available from Paizo. I’d appreciate it if anyone can help corrrect any errors or omissions. The list uses the following format:

Class: Magic Type (Casting Stat) - Prepared/Spontaneous (Max Spell Level)

If a class has options, like archetypes, which alter these elements, they are listed below the basic class information.

Link to updated Google Docs version.

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Original List:
Arcanist: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (9th)

Bard: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Bloodrager: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th)

Cleric: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (9th)

Druid: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (9th)

Fighter
-Child of Acavna and Amaznen Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (4th)

Hunter: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

Inquisitor: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Living Grimoire Archetype: Divine (Int) - Prepared (6th)

Investigator
-Psychic Detective Archetype: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Questioner Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)

Magus: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (6th)
-Eldritch Scion Archetype: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Mindblade Archetype: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)

Medium: Psychic (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th)
-Archmage Spirit: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Heirophant Spirit: Divine (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Mesmerist: Psychic (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Occultist: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Reliquarian Archetype: Divine (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)
-Silksworn Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Spontaneous (6th)

Oracle: Divine (Cha) - Spontaneous (9th)

Paladin: Divine (Cha) - Prepared (4th)

Psychic: Psychic (Int) - Spontaneous (9th)

Ranger: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (4th)

Shaman: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (9th)

Skald: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Sorcerer: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (9th)
-Wildblooded Archetype (Empyreal Bloodline): Arcane (Wis) - Spontaneous (9th)
-Wildblooded Archetype (Sage Bloodline): Arcane (Int) - Spontaneous (9th)
-Psychic Bloodline: Psychic (Cha) - Spontaneous (9th)

Spiritualist: Psychic (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

Summoner: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Vigilante
-Cabalist Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (6th)
-Warlock Archetype: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (6th)
-Zealot Archetype: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

Warpriest: Divine (Wis) - Prepared (6th)

Witch: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (9th)

Wizard: Arcane (Int) - Prepared (9th)

Edited to add Google Docs version.

Sovereign Court

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rogue eldritch scoundrel I guess, I believe they use int.


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Spiritualist also has two Divine archetypes in the Onmyoji and the Involutionist, and a Charisma archetype in the Fractured Mind.

Rogue has an Int caster in the Eldritch Scoundrel.

Ranger has a Charisma archetype in the Dandy.

Druid has Charisma in the Feyspeaker.

Witch has a Spontaneous caster in the Ley Line Guardian.

Mesmerist has a Divine archetype in the Fey Trickster.

I think there's a few others. In particular, I remember a spontaneous druid but I can't for the life of me find it so I'm probably remembering wrong.


Thanks for the quick responses! I've made a Google Docs version as an easier way for people to see the updated list.

Grand Lodge

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Vigilante Magical Child Archetype: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)


Daligh wrote:
Vigilante Magical Child Archetype: Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Huh. I never noticed that that archetype was a caster. Thanks!


Does the Fey Trickster Mesmerist switch from Cha to Wis? It doesn't mention the change, but it does say that they cast like a Hunter.


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Seducer witches use Cha to cast (still prepared tho'.)

Vigilantes with the Magical Child archetype cast spontaneously using Cha.

Dandy rangers cast spontaneously using Cha.

Tortured crusader paladins cast using Wis.

Talisman crafter occultists are nearly prepared casters.

Rivethun spirit channeler mediums can choose Wis or Cha to cast with.

I guess you're not counting a kineticist as a spellcaster?

Elder mythos cultist clerics use Cha to cast.

Id rager bloodragers are psychic casters.


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Gisher wrote:
Does the Fey Trickster Mesmerist switch from Cha to Wis? It doesn't mention the change, but it does say that they cast like a Hunter.

Their other class abilities, including those changed by the archetype, still use Cha so I don't think so.


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Bloodrager has the Id Rager psychic casting archetype.

Edit: Blood Sanctuaried.


avr wrote:
I guess you're not counting a kineticist as a spellcaster?

At the moment, I'm not counting classes like Alchemists that strictly speaking aren't casters. I'm not really familiar with Kineticists. Are they casters or more pseudo-casters like Alchemists?


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Probably an alchemist is closer to being a caster than a kineticist is. Their abilities are spell-like or supernatural rather than actual spells.

One more that is a caster though - antipaladins! Cha, spont, 4th.


Ilorin Lorati wrote:

Bloodrager has the Id Rager psychic casting archetype.

Edit: Blood Sanctuaried.

I don't know much about Bloodragers. What does "Blood Sanctuaried" mean?


avr wrote:

Probably an alchemist is closer to being a caster than a kineticist is. Their abilities are spell-like or supernatural rather than actual spells.

One more that is a caster though - antipaladins! Cha, spont, 4th.

Aren't Antipaladins prepared casters?


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I'm guessing Ilorin's edit is a variation on being ninja'd appropriate to the subject.

& yes, my mistake re antipaladins.


avr wrote:
I'm guessing Ilorin's edit is a variation on being ninja'd appropriate to the subject.

Ok. Insider Bloodrager Humor. :)

avr wrote:
& yes, my mistake re antipaladins.

Good to know. I wasn't sure if my sources were out of date. I've never paid any attention to that class. (And barely more to Paladins.)


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I don't think there's ever been an antipaladin in a game I've run, hence my own lack of familiarity.

The seducer witch is still a prepared caster BTW. Also it's only eldritch scoundrel archetype rogues that get actual casting as opposed to SLAs (though with the bookish rogue feat and/or the eldritch raider archetype they come close).


avr wrote:

I don't think there's ever been an antipaladin in a game I've run, hence my own lack of familiarity.

The seducer witch is still a prepared caster BTW. Also it's only eldritch scoundrel archetype rogues that get actual casting as opposed to SLAs (though with the bookish rogue feat and/or the eldritch raider archetype they come close).

Thanks for catching those mistakes. I've updated the list. Over the past few months I've been in several threads where questions like "are there any Spontaneous Arcane casters who use Int" have come up. I thought it might be helpful to make a comprehensive list of options for people to reference in the future.


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Leyline Witch is spontaneous Int.


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Thanks for all of the help, everyone. I'll check in again tomorrow to see if there are any other suggestions.

The current list is available here.


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One more - the Red Mantis Assassin prestige class is Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th). & yes I checked this time.


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Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

You missed Spiritualist's archetypes in that list.


avr wrote:
One more - the Red Mantis Assassin prestige class is Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th). & yes I checked this time.

Couldn't sleep. That's a really interesting case. I didn't know that there were Prestige Classes that granted spellcasting (as opposed to just advancing already existing spellcasting). I wonder if there are more of these.


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Ilorin Lorati wrote:
You missed Spiritualist's archetypes in that list.

I did miss them. I just went back and found three archetypes that made changes. Do you think that I got them all?


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Excellent :-)


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Gisher wrote:
avr wrote:
One more - the Red Mantis Assassin prestige class is Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th). & yes I checked this time.
Couldn't sleep. That's a really interesting case. I didn't know that there were Prestige Classes that granted spellcasting (as opposed to just advancing already existing spellcasting). I wonder if there are more of these.

Prophet of Kalistrade, Paths of Prestige, p. 42-43.

Arcane, Spont, Charisma. Prestige class grants spells casting, not aditional caster levels.


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Gisher wrote:
I did miss them. I just went back and found three archetypes that made changes. Do you think that I got them all?

Those are the ones I know about.

I really don't think that the Medium should be listed the way it is, since the flexible casting method is a basic focus of the class and they're only that way for the sake of requirements, not prerequisites.

Adding it up onto the main Mesmerist line would be too crowded and wouldn't help, maybe you should nest them inside a bullet point that says "Base Class Features" or something similar?

Furthermore, this list could certainly do with further listing any major changes to spell lists, since they're just as important as important as the casting method and stat.

Edit: With this, you would add in things like Unlettered Arcanist, which uses the witch list, and Puppetmaster Magus that adds Bard spells to its list - while adding much needed context to archetypes like the Fey Trickster, which uses the Druid spell list of being a straight type swap.


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The Onmyoji archetype for the Spiritualist becomes a Divine caster but otherwise keeps casting stat, etc.


RoseCrown wrote:
Gisher wrote:
avr wrote:
One more - the Red Mantis Assassin prestige class is Arcane (Cha) - Spontaneous (4th). & yes I checked this time.
Couldn't sleep. That's a really interesting case. I didn't know that there were Prestige Classes that granted spellcasting (as opposed to just advancing already existing spellcasting). I wonder if there are more of these.

Prophet of Kalistrade, Paths of Prestige, p. 42-43.

Arcane, Spont, Charisma. Prestige class grants spells casting, not aditional caster levels.

Very cool! I'm learning so much from this little project. Thank you!


Ilorin Lorati wrote:
Gisher wrote:
I did miss them. I just went back and found three archetypes that made changes. Do you think that I got them all?
Those are the ones I know about.

Excellent!

Ilorin Lorati wrote:

I really don't think that the Medium should be listed the way it is, since the flexible casting method is a basic focus of the class and they're only that way for the sake of requirements, not prerequisites.

Adding it up onto the main Mesmerist line would be too crowded and wouldn't help, maybe you should nest them inside a bullet point that says "Base Class Features" or something similar?

Yes, the Medium is pretty unique. Organizationally I'm treating the Spirits like Sorcerer Bloodlines - options that might be chosen within the class itself. I've added the Class Feature language that you suggested.

Ilorin Lorati wrote:

Furthermore, this list could certainly do with further listing any major changes to spell lists, since they're just as important as important as the casting method and stat.

Edit: With this, you would add in things like Unlettered Arcanist, which uses the witch list, and Puppetmaster Magus that adds Bard spells to its list - while adding much needed context to archetypes like the Fey Trickster, which uses the Druid spell list of being a straight type swap.

That is something that I have considered, but that would be a much more extensive task. I've got constraints on my time that make me want to keep this small for now. If you are interested in tackling the job, please feel free to use this list as a starting point. I'd be happy to help out as much as I can.

Grand Lodge

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From Ultimate Wilderness:

Bard: Filidh: Divine (Cha) - Spontaneous (6th)

Vigilante: Avenging Beast: Divine (Wis) - Spontaneous (6th)

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