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Random and amusing thought: A few weeks ago there was an extensive argument where people argued at great length that improvised weapons were not "weapons". Does that mean you can kill swarms with improvised weapons? Or do we use whichever rules interpretation is least favorable, reversing position whenever the previously used argument suddenly offers an unintended advantage?
we talk about whirlwind special attack of the air elemental, not the feat, which say you do damage equal to your slam damage like trample The whirlwind special attack is a different matter. Ask yourself: 1. Would an enhancement bonus to a creatures slam attack grant a damage bonus to that creatures whirlwind attack? 2. Is the air elemental making AoE slam attacks or using slamming as a proxy to gauge the strength of an unrelated ability? 3. Is a tornado a weapon? Answering these questions is another exercise in common sense (refer to linked developer posts stating common sense is both assumed and required). Arguments can be made either way for #1 and #2, #3 is definitely a no. (At least in context. Alchemists fire is, technically, used as a weapon, but is not considered such in context.)
I guess the same holds true for Dragon Roar and Whirlwind then as well?Common sense would seem to dictate that an extraordinary ability that doesn't say it is a weapon, or that it is using a weapon, is not a weapon.Because the game doesn't have a rule for everything, because it assumes the players have common sense to know that you don't need rules for everything. Even though Dragon Roar bases damage off the user's unarmed strike, damage is specified as coming from the roar itself. It is no more a weapon based attack than the spell Stone Call. The same is true of Efreeti Touch. Unarmed Strike damage is used as a baseline, but the actual damage is dealt by an AoE energy attack. Unlike trample, you don't physically strike the opponent with your natural weapon(or unarmed strike). You are using the scaling stat as a gauge for how potent the energy unleashed by the monks alternate usage of is. Whirlwind attack definitely involves striking your opponents with the wielded weapon.
While providing an entire page of developer comments stating this is exactly what is both intended and required for the rules to function.
Honestly, a lot of attack rolls and saves are ones I wouldn't care to preface. Especially if I have a good idea of the outcome. Spellcrafting a doom spell means I'm not going to be thinking about rerolling. Spellcrafting a destruction spell would. Likewise, I'm not wasting a reroll on attacking a goblin mook, but I might for the antipaladin that is mowing through the party. You don't know if it's Doom or Destruction until you succeed on your spellcraft check.
Yes, this heals undead. Yes, this is broken if you have allies that heal from negative energy.
A creature’s spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities. Spell resistance make it more difficult to receive beneficial spells from others, it in no way impedes a character's ability to cast upon himself.
DM fiat. There are no explicit rules.
Mage Armor is not worn, it is an effect. Against spells that would place armor on another entity, the eidolon is not a valid target. As such, it may not be targeted by these spells.
Touch spells with multiple charges dissipate if you cast another spell prior to using all charges.
It's more about the player than anything else. Most classes can break the game if a skilled enough player puts the effort into it.
The word "enemy" isn't really a mechanical term. The words "enemy" and "opponent" have very mechanical effects when used in the descriptions of many spells. E.g. Invisibility. Try telling your DM, "I don't consider the people I just hit with my Fireball to be opponents, so my Invisibility spells does not break."
Astral Projection include a temporal stasis effect on the targets.
A biped eidolon can have a mount. It cannot take the mount evolution. Also: tauric is a base form, which interestingly enough does not qualify for the mount evolution.
Why does the text of blur get to override the text of mirror image? Because Blur can prevent the triggering condition of Mirror Image from occurring. If I never get hit, Mirror Image rules are never invoked.
No, for the same reason that you cannot destroy images with a Fireball. Spells and effects that do not require an attack roll affect you normally and do not destroy any of your figments
Common sense would seem to dictate that an extraordinary ability that doesn't say it is a weapon, or that it is using a weapon, is not a weapon. Because the game doesn't have a rule for everything, because it assumes the players have common sense to know that you don't need rules for everything. 1. Trample specifically calls out to use slam damage. 2. Slam is a natural weapon.3. Similar abilities, also named Trample and derived from the same combat maneuver, specify the damage dealt comes directly from a natural weapon. Common sense: A natural weapon is named in the ability. Similar abilities specify the damage is dealt directly by the natural weapon. Lacking a statement specifying otherwise, we infer that the natural weapon named as the source of damage is being used to inflict the damage.
Er, yes, that's what I've been saying. If the target is missed because of blur, an image doesn't disappear. That is what I have been stating. I even quoted both segments or RAW earlier.
I could literally apply that to everything. The rules don't say that I can't make my sword out of cheese and have it do normal damage. Thus the parts about applying common sense. If you're trying to make your sword out of cheese, it is something you most likely lack even a passing acquaintance with.
We are using rules. We are also expected, per the many developer posts I linked to a few minutes ago, use common sense.
Both can be overcome by invisibility purge its a level 3 spell. Fair enough.
One does not resolve as a slam attack actually. One does damage equal to a slam attack. There is no attack roll or mention of it actually being a slam attack.That's a feat called trample that is not related to the Extraordinary Monster Ability Trample. They don't even reference each other. I believe most of the quotes in this post are relevant to your position.
Pratt, he is saying that why should we let a swarm be immune to weapon damage if we take common sense since its easy to squash multiple insect with a bludgeoning weapon especially if there are thousand in one square Real world physics are not modeled in this game system.
Why do you think swarms are immune to weapon damage? If you are going to use 'common sense' to say that trample is weapon damage, you should use your 'common sense' to realize a swarm isn't immune. If "common sense" were common, threads on this forum would be very short. Most responses here are heavily biased with even basic rules of English rewritten or ignored to support arguments when standard readings fail to support the championed position. Forget anything that required linking together two or more rules and having anyone agree on the correct interaction. It's not going to happen. Most people are only capable of focusing on a single rule or paragraph at a time, to the exclusion of everything else. Try using three or more rules or effects to reach a conclusion and the thread typically melts down as people violently reject anything they are incapable of following.
That's a feat called trample that is not related to the Extraordinary Monster Ability Trample. They don't even reference each other. Both were mentioned for completeness and that fact that there are differences in resolution is noted. Both the feat and the Universal Monster Ability are derivative of the Overrun combat maneuver and are resolved in a similar fashion, save where notated differently. One of the differences is that the feat resolves as a hoof attack vs. as a slam attack for the UMR. Both hooves and slams are natural weapons.
Trample is defined in more than one place.
In this case, it is clear that an attack is being made using the trampler's natural weapon. In the case of the Univeral Monster Rules, the Slam natural weapon is used instead of a hoof and specific rules are added for success and avoiding damage.
You have to account for all rules applicable to the attack, not just the rules for one specific effect taken in isolation. You forgot to include the RAW for concealment, which is applicable in this instance. Concealment gives the subject of a successful attack a 20% chance that the attacker missed because of the concealment. Make the attack normally—if the attacker hits, the defender must make a miss chance d% roll to avoid being struck. If the concealment roll is successful, the target is never struck and the trigger condition for Mirror Image is never met.
There is no Mythic Greater Invisibility. Mythic Invisibility + Undetectable allows you to overcome things like Glitterdust, but stops working if you attack. Greater Invisibility + Undetectable allows you to attack with impunity, but can be overcome with Invisibility Purge, etc.
Trample uses a natural weapon (hoof). As such, it uses all the modifiers to damage that would apply to your mounts hoof. It is also subject to most of the limitations, with the exception that the damage is applied to an area when using trample.
You can disrupt an entire 10'x10' swarm by applying damage to a single 5' squire.
1. The images are visual only illusions. Looks are the entirety of the images existence. Since the images are doubles of the caster, if the caster looks blurry, so does the image. 2. Concealment is a visual only effect. If something meets the visual requirements of concealment it is concealed. Not that this changes the fact that an attacker is required to successfully hit his opponent prior to checking for Mirror Image. A condition that is not met if the attacker misses due to concealment.
102: Adding class levels to anything, seriously nothing quite screws with a player like an already frustrating monster with class levels. Adding class levels to monsters is one of my preferred methods of balancing encounters. It amazing how much fun it can be to add a could of swashbuckler levels to a succubus. And dress her up as a pirate. And use my valley girl accent. . . My players requested I not do this again.
If the images were not blurry, they would not be doubles of the caster. They would be visually distinct. If the images are blurry, they enjoy the same level of concealment as the caster. Mirror Image states the images are doubles; there is no visual distinction between caster and image, i.e. the images must become blurry for the rules text of Mirror Image to be maintained. The same holds true for all other scenarios, e.g. displacement, fog, dim light. This spell creates a number of illusory doubles of you that inhabit your square. These doubles make it difficult for enemies to precisely locate and attack you.
Thats your problem. You are granting concealment from a spell to something that is not the target of the spell. Show me where that happens, "Raw" You are granting concealment to the character. Mirror Image is not checked until after you resolve if an attack hits or misses. .. More directly:
This spell creates a number of illusory doubles of you that inhabit your square. These doubles make it difficult for enemies to precisely locate and attack you. The images are all duplicates of the casters. Duplicate, in this context, means visually identical. Concealment is a visual effect. If the character is concealed (blurry, displaced, in dim light, etc.) so are the duplicates. They would not be identical if they were more, or less, visible than the caster. This is also why Invisibility does not work with Mirror Image. The effects of the spell duplicate on the images, i.e. they are invisible as well. If the effects of the spell did not duplicate on the images, you would be left with images to attack, but no character. We know this scenario cannot be true.
Citation? Concealment gives the subject of a successful attack a 20% chance that the attacker missed because of the concealment. If the attack is a hit, roll randomly to see whether the selected target is real or a figment Per Mirror Image, you do not check the target (real or image) until after you resolve if the target is hit or missed. If you miss (successful concealment check), you never meet the conditions to trigger a check vs. Mirror Image.
It's difficult to get .95^2 with a single roll. And yes, the 1/400 chance is included in the .0975 (The chance for one or more successful attacks.)
Step 1: ask yourself how your argument plays out in dim light. Step 2: point out in RAW where concealment granted by a targeted spell is treated differently than concealment from environmental conditions in regards to miss chance.
A successful attack = rolling >= the opponents AC Hitting your opponent = physically connecting.The roll for concealment occurs after the attack roll and prior to inflicting damage. Concealment stops a successful attack roll from physically connecting.
Are we going to argue mountains cannot be seen because they are too big? Makes you wonder what all those trees are growing on ...
13. Rappan Athuk My favorite dungeon.
As came up, tactics is the other suggestion that can help. Flanking, finding a way to make the opponent prone, or in the case of a Magus, if you're having trouble hitting, you can truestrike, or you don't have to spell combat every round. In general, I think you're better off using spell combat for the extra roll, but if you're ever in a situation where you only hit on a 19 or 20 on the die, you're slightly more likely to hit once if you only attack once. If you normally only hit on a 19-20, you are better off eating the penalty and rolling twice. 1-.95^2 = .0975 miss chance
You also get a .0025 (1/400) chance of hitting on both.
"the creatures in its path" is not a specific number, it is a specific location relative to the trampler.
If I remember correctly, the defender only rolls for concealment when he would otherwise be successfully hit in the first place. Correct. But you only roll for Mirror Image if the attack actually hits the target. If the attack is a hit . This extends beyond just spell effects that grant concealment, e.g. fog, dim light, etc. Mirror Image does not, for example, suddenly negate environmental effects that grant concealment.
Potion or ward of reduce person is a great buff to ac and accuracy that has a net zero effect on damage when using Dex to damage. A net increase to DPR. Same damage/attack but you hit more frequently.
There is a huge difference between characters and NPC's. Scenarios very rarely use optimized builds.
why are you fighting a white dragon at level 1? There is this one scenario, the 3rd in an arc. Character's using that as their first arc would encounter the white dragon at level 1. Hopefully players don't skip the first two scenarios in the arc and show up to the fight with just starting gear.
An illusion cannot be blurred by another illusion. The illusion can look blurry because you are blurry, and you can be displaced, but by definition the illusion IS what it looks like. If you hit the blurry elf shaped illusion to the left of the elf, that is the image, you've hit the image, you pop the image. The character become blury, the images copy the character. If you roll => target's AC and fail to hit the target due to concealment (the attack roll is never against an image), nothing was hit. Not the target, not an image, nothing. If you are successful with your attack against the character, including any additional rolls for concealment, you then check to see If an image was hit or the intended target. This is the final roll (baring immediate actions, etc.).
It never gets completely useless, but when you get to fight enemies with true sight, scent, etc. Or enemies that don't need to mke attack rolls, like spellcasters. Then Mirror Image becomes pretty useless. Having high skill rolls so your character knows when an enemy won't be affected by your Mirror Image is really useful. It just means you have to invest in something that makes True Seeing less reliable. The spell Non-Detection, for example.
Now, if you have blur up, do your mirror images also get a 20% miss chance? ;) If a character has both Mirror Image and Blur or Displacement the effects stack. First you roll to see if you actually hit the character (concealment), then you check to see if it was the character or an image that was hit. A miss due to concealment does not destroy an image. Blindness / closure of eyes is it's own thing and negates all of the above.
Go with a Dervish Dance build, don't need to invest in strength. Scimitars are already an optimal weapon for spellstrike, might as well take full advantage. Plumekin Aasimar is a good racial choice. VMC is a tough choice, you're eventually giving up a feat for spellstrike, which you already have.
Yes, feats granted by items count towards prereqs. If you the item, you lose usage of all feats that require the prereq. For "as if", it comes down to the specific wording. |
