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How about at the beginning of a senario the group decides which consumables they want to take along with them and puts down a "deposit". By the end of the senario if you have not used it, then you get your deposit back. Make it so they only accept unused items, so partially charged wands will not be accepted. This allows the group to all share equally in the cost of consumables, and makes the entire transaction take place in the same session. This might help take the strain of certain high cost consumables off of certain classes like clerics by letting the whole group chip in for them. This also prevents any wealth transfer amoung PCs.

From what I am reading you are still level 12.0, the reason is for your final sheet (presumably a 7-11) you would not have been in the proper level range for anyway. Once you hit lv 12 you are no longer eligable to get credit for a 7-11. I am not sure what you do with your final sheet but you cannot apply it to a character who is out of the level range. This also means you cannot wait until after EOTT and apply it then. Your final sheet (not the one you forgot) is just not going to count on this character.

You can be fairly effective with just PBS, PS, rapid shot, and deadly aim. You will need rapid reload at some point to make use of rapid shot but I think a repeating crossbow can make up for it until you have an extra feat. Since you are a bard you will fill some rounds casting or singing. the need to reload your crossbow may not come up in the middle of combat that often.

I made a negative channeling cleric a while back and they can be pretty good. My build was with maxed Cha and improved channel at lv 3. Channeling is by far my best offensive ability. The only thing thats kinda hard is your headband slot is both cha buff and phylactery of negative channeling. This make it kinda tough. Travel domain is very nice since you can ignore difficult terrain and later dimentional hop to exaclty where you need to be for max effectivness.

I would change the prestige for modules. I have played in over 150 PFS senarios and modules and maybe failed to get 2 pp in a senario 5 maybe times. With the new pp rules its probably about the same. If you level using only modules (which is my only choice for the forseeable future) you are never able to purchase top end items until your character is almost retired. The is a massive difference between the 44pp you get from all modules and the 66pp you get from senarios.

If you want a face type with skills and even some comabt ability nothing beats a bard. Several versatile performances let you use perform in place of diplomacy, intimidate, or bluff. With a decent int you get enough skill points to go around, bonuses to knowledges, and almost everything is a class skill for you. Take a few archery feats and you can do some decent dps as well. The use of heroism and bard song can really help make up for lack of a full BAB and you help everyone else out as well. Grease, Glitterdust, and heroism are some of the best spells for a wide variety of situations. In PFS there are many social encounters and a good bard can be a huge help.

I have a lv 9 druid that I have no intention of ever playing again. Is it my understanding that if I play in a 7-11 and do not have a lv 7 character that I am forced to play my druid and assign credit to this character even though he is retired? Is there an official way I can retire a character so I am not forced to do this?

I will soon be moving to Wilmington, NC and I was wondering if there were any active groups there. I do not see any on the events section but some people just run private games so I thought I would ask. If there are no games going there I may start up something if I can get support from a local VC and a store. If anyone from this area is looking to start a new PFS game or knows of an existing one, post here.

redward wrote:

PFS FAQ wrote:

As a ranger, what list of companions can I select my animal companion from?

As a ranger, if you choose an animal companion for your hunter’s bond, you may only select one of the animals listed on page 66 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. No additional companions are legal in Pathfinder Society Organized Play for Rangers except when granted from another legal source.

Granted from another source means granted as an animal companion, which is not the same as a purchased animal. Generally, you'd only be able to get different animal companions from a Ranger archetype (which isn't an option unless you retrain) or a boon.

Dang thats depressing. Ill check with my VC tonight. Also I solved the DR overcoming issue. You can purchased an amulet of mighty fists to add holy to all of your animals natural weapon attacks for 10,000 gold. that should take care of the pesky demons and devils.

Holy is going to cost you 16,000 gp since its a +2 modifier, you do not have to have the normal +1 like a weapon however.

If you are doing straight ranger weapon focus at 3rd level becuase you need it for point blank master at 10th, take improved critical at 9th level instead of iron will.

What if you just went to wizard 1/fighter 7/AA 1?

When you drop a fighter level you still have BAB of +6, switch it to an AA level and then just keep switching your fighter levels, It would cost 35 pp but you never stop qualifing for AA since your BAB never drops below +6, just make sure you use your regular level feats instead of fighter feats to qualify for AA.

I have several characters in that range as well, I would be willing to GM on a rotating basis if others were willing to do the same. I don't have time to schedule this or put everything together but if someone were to take the lead on this we might be able to start high level games online again.

What if you Gm a 1-5 and apply the credit to a level 3? Do you now get out of subtier gold?

It was a very fun and challenging event. Thanks to Jesse and the Gms for putting it on, I hope to do another soon.

This came up last night and I want to make sure I did it correctly. We played a 7-11 senario on the 7-8 subtier. There were 2 lv 9 players and the rest were 7 or 8. I beleive the lv 9 players get whatever tier you actually play, in this case they get 7-8 gold. If one of them had been lv 10 he would have gotten 10-11 gold. The last thing is if they had played a lv 9 in a 10-11 tier, would he have gotten high tier gold?

https://app.roll20.net/join/187121/hs9bww

Follow the link first 6 people with legal characters or pregens get the spots. If you need a pregen pick one from the approved list.

Start at first level and play it as a campaign. when you complete the sanctioned portions of each module, fill outa sheet and let them apply it to any legal character at that time. This way you can play from 1st lv to 15th or so and still get credit on your society character.

You cannot start a lv 1 society character and just play through the entire set becuase there are only 6 levels worth of sheets available.

If the two prestige is automatic now for older senarios, are we going to get 6 PP for completing a module or sanction AP? I am pretty much down to just a handfull of modules and AP I can still play and there is a huge difference between 66 pp you get from senarios and 48 pp you get from modules and AP. The value of items more then doubles in this narrow band.

I am glad to see some replay begin to be available, however for me it is probably to late. I have had a lot of fun with PFS for the past year but I am down to less then 10 senarios I can still play in. In that time I have also managed to get 3 GM stars so I could potentially replay a couple senarios, but thats it. I have played quite a few modules in that time as well, so slim pickings there as well. I do GM my fair share of senarios, but I have no intention of becoming a full time GM. Although I would travel 150 miles round trip in the past just for a game, I really don't think I would do the same to GM.

I know I am in the minority of PFS players, but I guess the question I want to ask is will there possibly some boon that allows some more replay such as if you play 100% of PFS senarios you can replay 20 and have a gm check them off as you do? I saw discussions on the boards about publishing more senarios per month, but have no idea if that went anywhere. If my time in PFS is done then I had a great time, but I would like it to last a little longer.

Still have 1 or 2 spots left for this, sign up if interested.

Melavis:

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What happens to the original boon? is it cancelled or do you get it back?

I like the concept of a mini campaign which is what this looks like (start at lv 3 end at lv 7) but I guess I would have reservations about would a group of lv 3s really have any challenge in content that is designed for lv 1? I think the level band should be more specific and have these new type of modules cover a more defined level band such as 3 to 7 or 7 to 10. One option I thought of was to run a set of PFS senarios at certain levels to hook the story together but I think it would be better for these new modules to play in series to completion.

I would defintly be interested with any number of my 12+ characters. I wuld be willing to gm 1-2 legs of it as well. If a solid group emerges just let me know.

I think there is one important thing to address in this thread and that is that some power creep is necessary to sell books.

With PFS requiring you to own the book to use a certain item or spell it drives the sales of these books, its no coincidence that snowball is more powerful than just about any other damage dealing first level spell. To use snowball you need to buy a book that you may not use anything else in. The same thing goes for many other books like Blood of Fiends. I cannot speak for everyone, but the sole reason I bought both of these books is to make a viable tiefling ice wizard. I have seen this with MMORPGs as well where even minor expansions offer some item that you absolutely must have to play to compel you to buy the expansion. Pathfinder is no different; to sell books you MUST have some power creep, over time the power level moves up with no going back.

I would love to see GM credit changed to encourage more people to GM. First allow a GM to apply credit to a different character even if he has already run it once. Honestly it should have always been this way becuase by GMing a second or third time, you are not gaining any advantage over the other players and they get a more prepared GM. This also allows you to get boons you may have missed becuase you spread a multi senario arch over 2-3 different characters. I know more people would GM if they had more options to do so. Second GMs should not be penalized on thier characters for GMing, if you are doing a 1-5 and have a lv 3 character takaing 1-2 money just sets you behind the curve that the new rules seek to institute. If you GM to much you are so far behind the wealth curve and have no chance to catch up (by playing up later).

At the shop I play at we typically get 9-14 players weekly and we run a afternoon and evening slot. Our local VL and myself GM over 75% of the sessions and I am sure both of us would like to play alot more often, we need to change the rules so people will willingly GM without the threat of having to turn people away becuase of lack of GMs.

We need to be giving GMs extra rewards for stepping up and keeping the games going, not penalizing them so they go do another activity.

Jeff Kosky 360 wrote:

Where does it say this at? I just looked at the part 1 cronicle sheet and it has 0 exp in the exp slot, do I just cross through this then?

Yeah, they used to give no XP but those rules changes and the sheets were never updated, so just cross that out and put 2 XP for the first, and 1 XP for each of the other three.

That means we would be lv 13 for the final 2 parts of the story arc. Since they are written as lv 12 only, where can I find this rules update you are tlaking about?

I am getting ready to play EoTT this coming weekend, but i have a question. If there are 4 modules and you have to be exactly 12 for each, then how does exp work? or is there no exp at all? If you finished all of them do you make level 13?

Melavis Clay - Human Paldin 12 Iomedae Silver Crusade

Fleety Macfooter - Half Elf bard 12 Agnostic Lantern Lodge

Shalamir the Pious - Cleric 12 Milani (Liberation, Healing) Andoran

From a player perspective I see this as a good thing. When people start to run out of PFS material to play there will be an alternative. I will probably play both systems to some degree unless I don't like Next. I can see some shops remainind Pathfinder only or D&D only, but some shops will host both giving players greater flexability.

I would love to play thornkeep, APS, or modules, however the most common thing run in my area are normal senarios. The time commitment needed to get a these other things going is more then a typical group can get together weekly. The other issue is that most game stores in my area have a set schedule weeks or even months in advance. I look online and see that its a repeat this week for me and I make other plans.

The early season senarios were mostly stand alone that could be run at any time. More recent content seems to follow more of an overall storline. Perhaps continue to publish the senarios by season and add a couple extra senarios each month that are stand alone.

I do love playing PFS, but when I run out of senarios I will find something else to do. I would defintly be interested in replaying many senarios for instance it would be great to replay the quest for perfection 1,2 and 3 to get the pet boon. There are many characters I would still like to play but there are little to no first level senarios I can still play for credit. If I have to GM the character all the way up then why even bother having a character concept in the first place.

I have been very active since I started last August in PFS. I have played in just over 100 senarios and GMed about 50, is there any talk about allowing replay of senarios? Maybe a special boon or something? I used to travel up to 75 miles and could play in 7-9 games per week, but the last few months they have been mostly repeats for me. I would love to be able to repeat the lower level stuff so I can start some new characters.

When it comes to optimization I think much of it depends on where you play. If you play with the same group each week I and nobody is optimized it can be fun for everyone. I tend to travel to many different games in my area and several times if I brought a character that didn't do 70 damage per round you might as well have just passed your turn every round, collect your cronicle, and go home. When I started to see some of these extreme power builds I made a few characters that could be useful in these games, so I could contribute as well, however I found them to get boring really quick and only use them when I am playing with power gamers. I still really like my bard with tons of skill points and virtually no combat ability, I just only bring him out when I know he will get to do something.

After all this discussion I think that the rules should just stay like they are. Some people will get more gold, but when compared to the power creep created by new monthly content it’s negligible. Is it really worth people being forced to walk away from a certain game so their character is not permanently set back? Is it worth the risk for a lower level character to have to play up, play a pregen or not at all? Many stores only get a single table each week and the game needs to be able to include as many people as possible without having to play a pregen.

The rule is made to stop the top 2-3% of power gamers out there and will end up punishing 90% of the players. I went to a PFS event a few weeks ago and I had a lv 4 druid but the rest of the group were all level 1. My character had already a played up once or twice so it was no big deal to play tier 1-2 and help the new characters along. With the new rules I would have dropped and not played, even if it was the difference between making a table or not.

I suggested a wealth cap based on current amount of exp (similar to how there is a cap on what you can buy based on prestige). You can always choose to play whatever tier you want but if you play down you could play up some other time to make up the difference.

It says it will be in my downloads by June. Since I contributed in December I would have expected to get it long before that. By the time I get it, I will be out of senarios to play so it really won't matter. Now I know better then to contribute any more money to this.

All this discussion got me to thinking about how much of a difference in gold you get by playing on tier and by playing up. I did a spreadsheet to see what the difference is and I came up with total gold lv 1-11 playing "on tier" 114450gp which is approximate and can change by a couple percentage points based upon what senario you actually played in. The gold you get for playing "up" every single time you play (lv 1 4-5 tier, lv 3 6-7 tier and so on)is approxiamtly 180000gp. This is a signifigant difference in gold however lets say the consumables needed to play up cost 7000gp and you have to pay for a raise dead at some point and have negative levels removed 8000gp (yes prestige is an option here but to make a true gold to gold comparison it is ommited).

If it costs 15000gp to play up on average there is now a 50550gp difference (180000-114450-15000=50550) between playing on tier and playing up which is only a 43% difference. Now it would be incredably hard to play up every single time you play to get the max gold stated here. Also keep in mind after lv 9 there is really no difference in gold for playing "on tier" or "up" My best guess would be someone could possibly get 25%-30% more gold overall for playing up consistantly. I know this is a big difference but it is not 2-3 times as much as a normal tier people were saying early on. Is it that big of a game breaker if people want to take more risk and play up?

After crunching the numbers I really think do nothing is the best approach, reward people who want to play a harder game, and make it possible to play down if needed to make a table without permanently putting your character behind the curve.