The basic idea of what I'm looking for is the Manakete from Fire Emblem. Manaketes, for those who don't want to or can't read the link, is a race/class of humanoids that turn into dragons.
I am aware of Dragonkin from Starfinder and the Taninim race from Rite Publishing.
Theses are fine options but I'd like the ability to play a human who can turn into a dragon. The best option I have so far is to tweak the Taninim race and their corresponding class Dragonic Exemplar.
Give them something to do with downtime then. Give them a store or a base that can be improved with the work of the PCs. Let them roll or whatnot for the days, weeks, etc. that you want to skip.
Alternatively ask your PCs for a long-term goal their characters want and see if you can have them work towards it. Like if a characters wants revenge on a gang leader for murdering their dad, you can have the PC gather information about the gang, tail their subordinates, or try bribing their informants.
The real "fix" to the swashbuckler in my mind is the end of the deed system. It seems really cool but it leads to most deeds being kinda weak, it frontloads the class, and limits the options of the class.
A modular pool of talents like the Barbarian or Vigilante would improve the class tremendously.
One person can play a super mobile warrior using something like the Dervish Dance.
Another can play a dodge tank. This would have options to improve opportune parry and riposte
I'd like to see a melee debuffer like the unchained rogue. It would upgrade to allow more dirty tricks
My style would be the Cloak and Sword approach. Like the Dueling Cape deed feat but not terrible. This would get a power like the nerfed Cape of Feinting but not terrible.
Of course there is a mix of styles too but you could specialize like the Barbarian's Totems.
But yes Charmed Life is h#$@!*+. Just make it like Divine Grace already.
Thank you very much! This is what I was looking for. It seems like I have a lot more options now.
Well there are Jungle Elves in Mwangi and I believe they are more dark-skinned though not Drow. So that should mean that the Jungle planet of Castrovel would produce dark-skinned Lashunta and Elves yet they haven't. It's a strange puzzle.
I guess I could just go with whatever I want and sweet-talk my GM into just going with it.
Well, given the backstory for the Lashunta, I would expect their skin coloration to tend towards camouflage colors. . . albeit camouflage by Castovelian standards.
That's an interesting thought. They are slightly insectile with their antennae so having skin match environment is feasible. Since Castrovel is a jungle, the idea of them having their skin match sunlight intake so it being like that theory about Human skin tone evolution is right out. They would be black in Pathfinder instead of white. So your conjecture is more likely.
So them being white or light pink means that the environment of Castrovel would have something white for them to blend into. The planet is called "The Green" so they should be greener I think.
Then again, they now have the bioengineering to control what subspecies a child turns to so the idea that they can change skin tone to whatever they'd like it is also valid.
dont forget teh male lashunta that's next to the other lashunta in the rulebook
I didn't. I just couldn't get a good linkable picture of him. He's also the same coloring as the female.
There's a male lashunta sniper in the Pact Worlds section of the campaign setting chapter. And a few others scattered here and there in various rules chapters, I think.
On pg. 429? I think that's actually Raia though it is a clearer shot. That has her as grayish white.
So what exactly is the range of colors a Lashunta can come in?
Pathfinder has them as mostly white and light pink from what I can find
This Lashunta from Children of the Void (2008) is maybe light pink but looks fairly Caucasian.
This Lashunta from the Gamemastery guide (2010) is flat out Caucasian-looking.
This Lashunta from the cover of Distant Worlds (2012) is also white especially in comparison to the two creatures.
This Lashunta from People of the Stars (2014) is far more pink than her predecessors.
The we flash forward to Starfinder (2017) where we only have two Lashunta to go off of.
First is our lovely Iconic Technomancer, Raia. She is grayish-green from what I can tell. She appears to be wearing makeup and has a glow from the Hologram on her arm making it hard to pin down the color. Either way, she is not white.
The only other Lashunta in the book is a mechanic. She is more gray than Raia and also certainly not Caucasian.
The ones from the Lashunta Page which I can only find the female of online (surprise surprise) are more pale brown than gray or white.
So what is the range? Are there black Lashuntas? Are there more fantastical colors like blue or full green?
Anyone have any better sources than I can find?
Again, just because the Mystic and Technomancer classes can't cast a spell, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means. . . those classes can't cast the spell. There is no evidence of any kind of "magic reboot" in the setting, nor some kind of cosmological weakening. 7th to 9th level spells just aren't considered worth the effort for adventurers.
I just don't understand this. Take one look at the Tier list and see where the lvl 9 casters are and where the lvl 6 casters are.
Yes, martials are much improved in this game but they absolutely do not replace the high level spells. And don't tell me tech does either. Can't stop time with a computer.
Mystic Theurges cast using to different sources. That's the point. They cast divine spells with a divine class and arcane with an arcane class.
Magic is certainly weaker if you are *unable* to cast the higher order magic outside of Wish through a class feature. Being able to create your own Gate is way better than building one in a factory which can't be done anyway. Meteor Swarm was always a weaker spells anyway.
Tech has maybe taken some of the place of the weaker magics but it hasn't supplanted the higher order stuff. Eloritu teaches this exact thing. He doesn't believe technology can totally replace magic.
In fact, what you're saying almost says the exact opposite of your point. If I don't have to waste my time learning light when I can buy a flashlight, shouldn't that leave me more time to learn the stronger stuff?
Letting the casters have decent weapons that require little training means they should be better able to specialize in magic. Tech is supposed to be user-friendly after all.
Most of the lower order stuff can be done with tech like a grenade acting like Burning Hands.
No Tech can equal Time Stop, Soul Bind, Wail of the Banshee, Weird, Mage's Disjunction, Greater Create Demiplane, and Communal Mind Blank to name a few. And don't say Wish because it explicitly only duplicates 8th or lower spells. (unless you want to risk a Jackass Genie GM.)
The Drunken Dragon wrote:
Then why is it weaker? If the study of magic was always heading to this "organic" combination of all magic types despite their different sources, then why can't people cast the higher-order spells?
Don't give me the specialization argument. Since divine grant is still a valid power source then it makes sense that a Deity would want to give their champion in the material plane the best magics.
The Raven Black wrote:
So not a single person beside Nethys saw past this paradigm even though there were ways to gain other types of spells like the Magic domain for the Cleric? A Lich with thousands of years of continuous study and a genius intellect couldn't see past a "paradigm?"
Eloritu dumbing everything down was my original hypothesis but I can't see him doing it intentionally to make magic more mysterious when everyone else's argument and the CRB's argument is that people in Starfinder understand magic better not worse.
If magic is supposed to be mysterious then Eloritu is bad at his job...which was my point in the first place.
The Sideromancer wrote:
It has repeatable effects except when it doesn't. Sorcerers have to use verbal and somatic components unless Mom was a psychic.
Wizards have spellbooks that repeat effects true but then those spells can be granted without the "science" of wizardry.
If everyone could could experiment their way to Clone or Prismatic Wall, they why haven't people in Starfinder?
And I'm tired of people saying that the ability to cast Wish/Miracle in a roudabout way is in no way equivalent to what a Wizard, Cleric, or Psychic had. It can't replace having 7th, 8th, and 9th level spell slots.
I think I can compare spellcasting in Pathfinder and Starfinder when they're in the same universe. I like the mechanics of the spells just fine, I just want a better explanation.
Technology simply hasn't replaced magic all together. It does a lot of cool things that was once only available to Mages but it can't create a demiplane.
And 1d6 in Pathfinder and 1d6 in Starfinder is exactly the same. You roll a six-sided dice to determine something. What it determines is different but this is not the difference between Pathfinder and World of Darkness or Star Wars d6.
Consider the fact that the pre-gap God of magic had a kind of crazy dualism thing going on. Perhaps it was the very nature of magic's patron that created the divide between divine and arcane casting, and now that he's no longer magic's main deity means that those artificial limitations were removed?
This is best explanation I can think of and the point I was getting at in my original post.
I fundamentally do not believe that the way magic works could be altered by mere mortal understanding. Magic is something apart from science and can't be understood under the same methods. In fact, this transition kind debunks that notion as magic has fundamentally changed without a real explanation.
Do the Elder Undead on Eox or the oldest Elves on Castrovel have access to 9th-level casting assuming they're the correct class? Why shouldn't they? If they don't, that means magic itself has changed and it is objectively weaker. (Not that this is a bad thing. Starfinder has a much better balance between casters and non-casters.)
Davor Firetusk wrote:
So a technomancer being able to cast Wish in a more difficult and roundabout way (and similar character levels) is why all other spells above 6th level have disappeared?
The CRB says on one page that spellcasting is verbal and then on another it says that there aren't any components anymore.
Still, Silent Chain Lightning is cool but is it equivalent to creating a demiplane? Or having a clone backup?
I also fail to see how sorcerous spellcasting wasn't "user-friendly;" they got it by virtue of being born and didn't have to work for it like a Technomancer does (I think, I mean they have academies.)
The technomancer also throws a wrench in the idea that magic wanes as technology waxes. They are often integrated and do not oppose each other. There is no reason we can't have both powerful magic and advanced technology.
The bards' combo is a legacy thing from their original incarnation as the first prestige class where they had levels in mage and cleric.
I know they can't cast time stop but wizards et al. could. That's my point.
If they have a more advanced understanding of magic then why are the spells weaker?
How come sorcerers in the past got access to full casting and now they don't? Why do the gods grant less power now? Why did that have strict rules about spell components (somatic, verbal, etc.) then but not now?
Davor Firetusk wrote:
Your past distinctions in magic only reflected your primitive understanding and traditions. Flavorwise that does make sense, given that we can in fact research things for years and years and still achieve significant advancements, like the unification of forces in physics at high energies.
Makes sense? BS.
How did the All-Seeing Eye not know or tell his own clerics that they should be able to cast wizard spells just fine?
How did not a single wizard or arcanist not realize that they could cast Divine spells just fine?
Also this move isn't an advancement per se. Yes a person can cast fireball and cure but they can't cast time stop. One step forward, two steps back.
Also Nethys didn't disappear. The only deities known to be missing are Torag and Rovagug. Nethys just isn't as popular.
If that's true then it is unknown. The Core Rulebook doesn't account for him. He could be less popular or he could be missing.
I don't see why he'd be all that unpopular when his replacement is very much like him.
So one of Starfinder's big things is that 9th-level spells are gone. We can only cast up to sixth level and the distinctions between arcane, divine, and psychic are somehow loosened despite not being how magic worked for centuries before the Gap.
Coincidentally, the God of Magic has been replaced. Nethys, namesake of the beloved Archives, is inexplicably gone. He's not even mentioned in the Minor Deity section like Calistria or Torag. Nethys has simply vanished.
Core Rule Book wrote:
How did this happen? How did thousands of year of magical study fail to find that Divine, Arcane, and Psychic spellcasting were actually all the same thing and work completely the same?
I propose that it wasn't.
Nethys may have been the reason why spells were stronger and better demarcated. Eloritu is weaker but more egalitarian with magic, granting all he has to just about anyone. Or perhaps he had to make magic easier because of technology out pacing his sixth-level spells.
So in other words, Nethys left and took the big dog spells with him and his replacement just wasn't up to the task of embodying Magic.
Avenger Vigilante isn't fighter+ per se. For an intelligent, rough-and-tumble leader of men that's the Vanguard Slayer.
Yes it won't win the DPR Olympics but it has combat boosters, the same HD and BAB, good fort and reflex save, initiative bonus, the ability to hand out teamwork feats, and enough skill points to really keep up with some of the other faces. It certain beats the Lore Warden and Duelist for Intelligent Fighter in my mind.
Avenger Vigilante is instead Swashbuckler+. Again it won't win a pure damage game but it is the highly mobile frontliner that the Swashbuckler was promised to be.
With close the gap and mad rush, it can move while keeping damage and without sucking a million AoOs. It has a good reflex will save, good amount of skills with in-class boosters to face skills, and full bab.
This is more inline with the root of both classes: The Scarlet Pimpernel. Note that I have only seen the stage play Percy is an excellent talker and can hold his own in a sword fight but is outmatched by his nemesis who is a career soldier. It's Percy's quick-thinking and ability to lead that wins the day rather than skill-at-arms.
Vic Wertz wrote:
For those too lazy to google, that string of 0 and 1s converts to Iseph in binary.
Would still like a Taldane pronunciation of her name though. That is if Taldane is still Common.
I prefer the Swashbuckler as a low-str fighter. I think that fits the class fantasy better. There's a big difference between Inigo Montoya (swashbuckler) and Fezzik (barbarian or maybe fighter.)
I'd replace the deed system with something more modular. This would allow SecretWizard to make his more str-based swashbuckler and me to make my dex-based cloak-and-rapier style swashbuckler without having to spend way too many feats on it.
A more str-based swashbuckler could also just be an archetype too.
The half-casters usually have class features to help them along. Bards and Skalds have bard song to boost their attack and damage. Inquisitors have bane, judgments, teamwork feats, and possibly inquisitions. Summoners have their Eidolons which the player controls. Magi have their arcane talents and touch attacks. Hunters have their animal companions and teamwork feats.
Really the Warpriest is the only one who relies on his spells to boost attack and damage. They have fervor to make things easier. Their sacred weapon and armor does alleviate things but they're limited. However, after playing a Warpriest from lvls 12-16. I can say that I used spells outside self-buffing and had a fun time. I was valuable outside of combat.
I liken the Aboleth to the Reapers from Mass Effect.
Mass Effect spoilers:
They both are mysterious precursors who built up civilizations and then destroyed them when they got too advanced. They both have flimsy motivations. They are both have great designs and can really ratchet up the terror.
The Reapers from Mass Effect lost a lot of cred when their motives are finally revealed. They don't want machines wiping out organics so they built machines to wipe out organics every 50,000 years. It makes zero sense until the revelation that their leader, the catalyst, is a VI not an AI. It got its orders from the Leviathans and can't change from it.
I think Paizo is trying to avoid the fan hate that ME 3 got for this revelation among others. Once Mass Effect got specific, fans rightly tore it apart for the lack of basic logic of the Reapers' actions considering their motivations.
If they nailed down a real motivation for the Aboleths, it would probably be pretty dumb considering their actions: "Hey guys! I got a great idea for stopping those uppity humans! Let's drop a colossal meteor on the planet that *we* live on!"
GM Mimi wrote:
I have over two dozen characters so it's not a problem to find something that fits the party. I also design every character to be able to start just about anywhere. The Slayer was designed to start in Sandpoint for RotRL but that can be tweaked easily.
Valeriya (my witch) is from a big city but I designed her backstory that she can start the campaign anywhere.
Jiang Tai (Swashbuckler) is from Goka and will be arriving to the Inner Sea via boat so it can land anywhere.
Freya (Arcanist) is from Andoran but wants to explore the world.
Can we get a list of the people and classes interested?
Bloodbound by F. Wesley Schneider is my favorite. Good characters and a great climax. It deftly avoids the usual PF book problem of a low-level character somehow beating a high level character.
Stalking the Beast is a fun D&D-style adventure with a good cast of characters. I went in not knowing it was a sequel but still enjoyed it.
The Crusader Road may be "Kingmaker: the book" but it's a fun coming-of-age story set in an interesting fantasy pioneer backdrop. It's got magic and goblins and a great cast of characters.
Firesoul has some of the best setting detail and some interesting characters but the plot is overly complicated. For those who want the Mwangi Expanse to be more than "Bunga Bunga Land," this book is great.
Nightglass also has good setting detail but its huge shift in plot and character after the first part of the book hurts the book. You have to really like Iseim to enjoy this book and I only kinda liked him.
Nightblade, the sequel to Nightglass, is less disjointed in story but totally divorced from the first book. It's a dungeon crawl with a fairly interesting plot set up but the characters can't hold everything up. The dungeon is fun and creepy but it ultimately ends up not meaning anything.
My first (and worst) GM ran a campaign that had 6 people. The wizard and the fighter of the group started fighting over things in game. The GM was best friends with the wizard so he took it out on the fighter. Usually this meant having his expensive equipment ruined. We joked that if we sovereign glued his armor to him, the GM would make it rain universal solvent.
It didn't get really bad until the second campaign we did. (He was the only GM on campus with a spot free.)
The next campaign followed from the first one. The wizard and fighter had become demigods in the meantime. The GM ruled that the wizard who had become the demigod of protecting the timestream (our characters had time-traveled so it wasn't really out-of-place) and had a respectable following.
The Fighter had become the demigod of winter and mercenaries because he had become a demigod by killing an evil winter god that made it snow all the time. The winter god was trapped near a city called Winterfall because the evil god made it winter all year round due to his presence. After the Fighter killed him, the city had a milder, more temperate climate. This somehow crashed their economy which had been solely built on exporting ice to the Dwarves. This is despite the fact that the Fighter and Wizard killed the evil god 500 years in the past due to aforementioned time-travel. I repeat: the economy of Winterfall had not recovered in 500 years.
My character in this campaign was a lvl 7 cleric of the Fighter God. It was decided that I was technically the most powerful cleric of this religion because "mercenaries wouldn't need a god especially one that was LN." Thus I suddenly became high priest and decided to build up the church just to spite the GM.
The Fighter's player, meanwhile, decided to play a summoner with an Eidolon that was because a Machamp with wings and poisoned claws. This was a huge mistake.
When the summoner tried to buy something from a shopkeeper, the shopkeeper was horrified and threw him out. After a lot of arguing, the player decided to compromise and de-summon the Eidolon. This wasn't good enough and he was still kicked out. This was happening in the Dwarven city we were in which only allowed non-Dwarves in one sector. The shopkeeper decided that merely throwing him out of the store wasn't enough. He sent an assistant out to every single shop and inn to tell them about the Summoner. He was banned from every store and almost every inn. The only inn he was allowed in was the shady as hell one. I was the only one who accompanied him to that inn and stood by him. The rest of the party were either fed up and on the verge of quitting or GM pets.
The rules for how to control Eidolons hadn't come out yet so there was a night-long argument about who got to control him. This arose after the player used his Machamp to set off traps rather than risk the life of the ninja. The GM rule zeroed him and took control of the Eidolon away. He then ruled that his Eidolon hated him. The Player decided to scrap that character because he was now unplayable and introduced a sorcerer but the campaign and our time with that GM died shorty thereafter.
TL;DR version: A GM had a beef with a player so he restructured his whole world to screw over both of his characters.
Son of the Veterinarian wrote:
It's kind of head-scratching to me that what should have been an alternate class feature available to all Vigilantes is limited to just one archetype - and one that doesn't really fit the general MG theme in the first place.
Tarik Blackhands wrote:
BRB. Conquering the Heavens for the Greater Good!
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