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I had a difficult time lining up the boxes on the third page. Trying to figure out what line went with what box was tricky.
After carefully counting down from the top to make sure I got the right box, I figured out if I narrowed my browser window significantly, the boxes were close enough to the questions to be convenient. Hope it saves someone from having to count so many boxes. :)

I just tacked on an extra $10 in hopes of making it to $120K and getting the player maps.

If all 662 of us already in tack on an additional $10, we would only be $1306 short of hitting that $120K.

All hands make sail!

I'm in for too much for PF and a fair amount for SW....

(Blonde Frog kicks a&s btw.)

I hope this funds!

Baroh Steelcleave wrote:

Not so much a question, but more of a request:

Can we have a non-generic name for an item to record on our character sheets for keeping track of "crafting materials?" Am I or am I not required to visit a vendor to purchase "crafting materials" between crafting things, and how do we measure/record what is obtained from said vendor(s)?

I've been wanting to expand upon that aspect of the game for a long time now, and that's definitely in the book.

As a player, after visiting a large town and discussing with my DM, I've often written on my character sheet, 1000gp worth of materials to craft _____.

A question. Say I wanted to craft a Blessed Book (craft cost, 6250gp). If I buy 1000gp worth of material, can I spend 4 nights around the campfire (2hrs a night) crafting. Then, next time I come to a major town, procure another 1000gp worth of raw materials and spend another 4 days crafting. Once I reach the magic number of gp and days, do I have it? Or do I need to procure all the materials first and then start crafting?

Short version, can a character do partial crafting?

I think most of the issues that I have run into have already been addressed. The one that has caused the most problems in my group has been what prereqs can be overcome with the +5. Cheapy beat me to the Alchemist question (I'd really like yes, but we've been playing no).

A bonus request: I would really love a short discussion on how the Ring of Three Wishes was priced and as an extension, how one might price a Ring of Three Limited Wishes (it seems a much more reasonable item, but still really useful and fun - I really want to make one).

And finally, I very much look forward to this book. Thanks for doing it.

I just have to say that I rolled up my first character at a BSA campout (3d6 in order, got a 15 dex, so I was a thief - been playing them ever since).

Played a few more times at camp, but it rather rapidly became an inside thing with my fellow scouts and made us a pretty tight group of friends.

Just finished playing an online session with a group of my old high school friends an hour ago, now scattered about the country - google hangouts are awesome - three of us are eagle scouts.

Roll dice, enjoy the outdoors, make lasting friends.

I would love a copy as well. Thanks.

Thanks for the advice Ararlost and Pan. I was a player in said Kingmaker campaign until it went on hiatus. As a rogue/wizard, I found most of my rougness was a waste. I was 4th level before I rolled Disable Device. I understand that it is not a 'normal' campaign.

I'm thinking at this point my best option is to try to work with the player to make a useful class. The fluff seems good, but I would like just enough crunch to make it both fun and not suck.

The party is currently a paladin (leader), barbarian (general), priest (priestess), rogue/wizard (spymaster - previously me, but soon to be an npc). I'm not sure what role the bard is going to end up picking up.

Thanks for pointing me towards the Lion Blade class, I'm forwarding it to my player. I hope we can pound something out between to the two of us.

I'm reminded of the original 3.0 DMG, back before WotC decided to toss out the original plan in favor of selling more splat books. Back when Prestige classes were meant to be designed to fit the character and world instead of selling books. :)

Thanks Pan.

I'm worried about switching hats from player where I like to push rules to DM where I have to try to keep them in check. I don't see any major issues, but I appreciate hearing someone else's advice.

I'm going to be picking up a King Maker campaign as the DM in a couple months. We are in the middle/end of the second book, if that matters. I haven't started reading them yet. I want to make sure things are going to go as currently planned before I jump in. However....

A new character is joining the party and wants to play a bard that goes into Master Spy.

As far as I can tell, by RAW, Versatile Performance(Act (Bluff,Disguise)) is not sufficient to qualify the character for the PrC. He needs 7 ranks in Bluff and Disguise, not the ability to replace them with 7 ranks in Perform(Act).

However, as a game balance issue, do you see any problems in me, as the DM, allowing 7 ranks in Perform (Act) to satisfy those two requirement?

My point of view is as follows:
1. The feat requirements (Deceitful and Iron Will) are steep enough.
2. Requiring him to take 7 ranks in each of those skills, when he already plans on replacing them with versatile performance seems like a total waste of 14 skill points.
3. The PrC seem a little underpowered to me, especially since it does not improve the character's bardic music or spellcasting.
4. With the above in mind, I feel it is reasonable to allow the character to use versatile performance in place of the two skill requirements.

I would like to know if anyone else has an opinion one way or the other. Before I make up my mind, I would like to get whatever insight the internets has to offer.

Please don't tell me that by RAW he can't. I know that. I am simply wondering if things would break if I exercise my right as a DM to allow cool things to happen.

Bonus Question. If you think that it would be acceptable to allow versatile performance to take the place of those two skill rank requirements, is it also then reasonable to change the feat requirement to alertness (bonus to perception and sense motives (the other required skills)) in place of deceitful (bonus to bluff and disguise, which will be replaced and hence not ever used)?

Just cast wish. :)

The rough calculation would be along the lines of:

Levitate at 3rd level will levitate 300lb. Roughly, that is 2 cubic feet of granite per casting (1.76ish, but we are being rough).

100ft x 100 ft x 50 ft (5 stories at 10ft a story) = 500,000 cubic feet

Assuming that 10% of the volume is actual granite, that would be 50,000 cubic feet of granite.

We are at roughly 25,000 castings of Levitate at 3rd level. Towers haven't been included yet.

Seriously, just cast wish, or an appropriately researched 9th level spell (Levitate Building?)

Great work so far.

--Slippery - +1 to stealth and its a class skill.

Minor typo. its should be it's. Or, you could phrase it like you worded

--Witty Repartee - +1 to bluff and it becomes a class skill.

--Desperate Focus - +2 on concentration checks. So at first level you have about a +5 or +6 to your concentration. Its a DC 17 to cast a first level spell. A CD 19 for a second....

Minor typo. CD should be DC.

I didn't carefully read the whole thing, but found out some nice options that I had previously missed by scanning the Blue and Purple. Thanks.

I do plan on adding a list of traits that add skills to your list.

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Example:

Perform

Savant (Social)
Dilettante Artist (Racial)(Elf)
ect...

I think that would be helpful to a lot of people.

If you want to compare it to my list, it is in the spoiler....

I appreciate the effort of ranking traits, however, it seems like I often see posts that ask "What trait gives me X skill as a class skill?" To me, that often seems to be the most important bit of information.

Do you intend to include that information, organized by skill? That seems relevant.

Is there already another list of that information somewhere that I have missed? If not, I have recently finished going through the d20pfsrd and the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play book to compile my own. If there is interest, I will post it and it can be included.

Grease (Bard/Magus/Sorcerer/Wizard/Summoner 1) is handy at CL 1 (1 min duration)

One other thing I just noticed, I assume by Arms(1), you mean Limbs (of the arm type). Limbs cost 2 evolution points. Am I missing something?

Thanks for the responses.

I totally missed the Primal in front of Bloodline, not sure how. Thanks for clearing that up.

I understand the 6 for 3 part of Greater Aspect, I was curious if the Increased Flight Speed x3 (1) was a typo. By my arithmetic, you are only spending 1 point on that, so I would assume that you are only taking Increased Flight Speed once?

I like your build, thanks for posting. I'm new to the class and want to try to understand a couple of things.

The first Eldritch Heritage feat gives you a minor electrical ray attack which by that level is relatively useless, but the second one grants Electricity Resistance: 10 to all your summoned creatures AND +1d6 electrical damage to all of their natural attacks which is very nice.

Where can I find that the second Eldritch Heritage feat grants those bonuses to your summoned creatures? I looked around a bit but was unable to find it.

I start off with a small-sized Serpent type to get the stealth and Dex bonuses and a starting Climb movement mode. At later levels I arm him with a wand so that he can participate in combat actively when summoned, giving me yet another way to deal damage without putting myself in danger.

Do you keep your eidolon serpent form after it gains flight? It seems the climb speed isn't needed at later levels. I'm not sure if it is worth dropping the dex by 4 to pick a biped form over a serpent form. It would seem that one could save 1 evolution pt by not needing the arms evolution. I'm leaning towards the image of a flying money myself.

20th

Skilled: Stealth (1), Skilled: Perception (1), Arms (1), Skilled: UMD (1), Skilled: Disable Device (1), Wingless Flight (4), Increased Flight Speed x3 (1), Spell Resistance (4), Immune to Electricity (2), Improved Natural Armor x2 (2)**, Spell Resistance (4)**

The numbers in the parentheses add to 22 evolution points, 19 with greater aspect figured in. Unless my figures are off, 19 = 14 (10th level eidolon) + 5 (20 levels favored class bonus) is the correct number. Is the x3 by Increased Flight Speed a typo?

Feats:

1st - Skill Focus: Knowledge (Planes)
1st - Extra Summons
2nd - Augmented Summoning
3rd - Superior Summoning
5th - Improved Initiative
7th - Extra Summons
9th - Eldritch Heritage (Primal Bloodline - Air)
11th - Improved Eldritch Heritage (Primal Bloodline - Air)
13th - Extra Summons
15th - Quicken Spell
17th - Greater Eldritch Heritage (Primal Bloodline - Air)
19th - Extra Summons

I assume that since the master summoner's most powerful ability is his ability to summon that extra summons is a no brainer. However, if you were playing a campaign with fewer combats per day, are there other feats that you think would be useful?

What do you use Quicken Spell for? I've never played a 6 level caster before, but the +4 from quicken would seem to me to hurt worse for a summoner than a wiz/sorc. Are there 1st/2nd level spells that are worth casting at 5th/6th?

I would guess the following might be worth it:
Grease (1)
Create Pit (2) - I agree with you that this is a great spell.
Glitterdust (2)
Haste (2)
Slow (2)
Summon Swarm? (2)

@GrenMeera - Thanks for the work. I always find graphical representations more useful than piles of numbers (and I'm in the midst of an advanced degree in mathematics, I'm used to piles of numbers).

@GrenMerra - I tried to take a look at your work, but I don't have permission to view it. Could you change the permissions so that it is viewable, please.

I'm building a new fifth level rogue 2/alchemist 3 for an upcoming campaign. I have a few questions, if anyone who has played would like to offer advice.

0. Where are elves from? I want to build a background where the character grew up in an elvish culture, was abandoned after his mother died, spent some time in Absalom. then some time in Osirion, and finally wherever is appropriate to the campaign.

0.25 We are playing a 25 pt build (silly but fun), I'm planning elf with the following stats:
14 Str
18 Dex (Including +2 Racial, +1 at 4th)
12 Con (Including -2 Racial)
18 Int (Including +2 Racial)
10 Wis
08 Chr (We will have a high Chr Sorcerer and reasonably high Chr Cleric in the party to take care of face responsibilities.)

0.5. Since I plan to be stealthy, I plan on taking the alternative racial trait Silent Hunter (replaces elven magic racial trait, APG p. 13).

1. I'm thinking about picking up Acid Bomb (acid, +1d6 damage on 2nd round), Frost Bomb (cold, target is staggered for 1 round (Fort Save)), or Shock Bomb (electricity, target is dazzled for 1d4 rounds (no save)). Any suggestions? I'm leaning toward Frost Bomb currently. The possibility of staggered seems to be better than additional damage or dazzled.

2. Regarding starting equipment, I'm thinking that I will purchase: +1 Mithral Shirt, +1 Comp Longbow, Handy Haversack, Eyes of the Eagle (I will be the skill monkey/trapfinder in the party), MW Buckler, Cold Iron Longsword. I'm thinking that I will find a +1 longsword or rapier in short order. I will obviously blow some starting cash on poisons, other consumables, and mundane equipment.

Any suggestions?

I was wondering the same thing. It seems the way the APG was written that the damage die would remain the same d8/d4.

I'm going to try to work it out with my DM, but if anyone has any thoughts regarding this, I would be happy to hear them.

My personal thought is that the Crypt Breaker archetype is not particularly overpowered and that allowing the discoveries that alter the damage type to acid, cold, or electricity should follow the standard 1d6 per two levels progression that a normal alchemist has.

A standard alchemist can make d6 fire bombs and d6 other bombs with a discovery. I don't see how knowledge of fire bombs carries over directly to acid/cold/electricity bombs.

It doesn't seem much of a stretch to say a crypt breaker can make d8/d4 acid bombs and d6 other bombs since they seem pretty independent to me.

I may be biased in my opinion though. Any thoughts?

I propose the correct way to try balance this class is against the core classes, in this case, Ranger 16/Fighter 2/Barbarian 2. I'm not sure what this will turn out like, but here are my thoughts as I discover them myself. A way too long, but reasonably thorough comparison is included. Kavalas, please look at the spoiler and then read the postscript.

I'll propose the following (stealing from everyone who has posted already):

To simplify the discussion, define:
Swashbuckler weapon: any simple or martial, light or one handed, piercing weapon that weapon finesse applies to.

Swashbuckler

Bab: Good.
Saves: Good Fort and Ref/ Poor Will

Class Skills
The Swashbuckler’s class skills are Acrobatic (Dex), Appraise (Int), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Handle Animal (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (Local) (Int), Perception (Wis), Perform (Cha), Profession (Wis), Ride (Dex), Sense Motive (Cha), Sleight of Hand (Dex), Stealth (Dex), and Swim (Str).
Skill Ranks per Level: 6 + Int modifier.

1 - Evade +1, Weapon Finesse
2 - Uncanny Dodge, Nimble Swashbuckler, Swashbuckler Style
3 - Improved Reaction +2, Thrust +1d6
4 - Evade +2, Weapon Focus
5 - Evasion, Weapon Training
6 - Swashbuckler Style
7 - Sting of the Wasp
8 - Find the Mark
9 - Evade +3, Improved Reaction +4
10 - Acrobatic Charge
11 - Improved Weapon Focus, Thrust +2d6
12 - Advanced Swashbuckler Style
13 - Deflect Arrows
14 - Evade +4
15 - Improved Reaction +6
16 - Advanced Swashbuckler Style
17 - Acrobatic Mastery
18 - Advanced Swashbuckler Style
19 - Evade +5, Thrust +3d6
20 - Exceptional Reflexes

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Swashbucklers are proficient with all simple weapons, swashbuckler weapons, and martial ranged weapons. They are proficient with light armor and the buckler.

Evade - as above.
Weapon Finesse - as the feat.
Uncanny Dodge - as the rogue ability.
Nimble Swashbuckler - at 2nd level the swashbuckler gains the skill focus(acrobatics) feat as a bonus feat.
Swashbuckler Style - at 2nd level, and again as the table specifies, the swashbuckler may choose a combat feat or a rogue talent. A swashbuckler may count his thrust damage as sneak attack damage for the purpose of rogue talents.
Improved Reaction - as above.
Thrust - as above.
Weapon Focus - as the feat, must be a swashbuckler weapon.
Evasion - as the rogue ability.
Weapon Training (Ex): Swashbuckler weapons, as the fighter ability with the following change, +1 attack and damge at level 5, an additional +1 at level 11, and an additional +1 at level 17. Also applies to CMB and CMB checks as per the fighter ability description.
Sting of the Wasp - When wielding a swashbuckler weapon, you can choose to take a -1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. When your base attack bonus reaches +4, and for every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by -1 and the bonus on damage rolls increases by +2. You must choose to use this ability before the attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn. The bonus damage does not apply to touch attacks or effects that do not deal hit point damage. This ability cannot be used in conjunction with similar abilities such as Power attack or Piranha strike.
Improved Weapon Focus - as the feat, must be a swashbuckler weapon.
Advanced Swashbuckler Style - at 12th level, and again as the table specifies, the swashbuckler may choose a combat feat (treating his level as as fighter's level for this feat only), improved uncanny dodge (as the rogue ability), or a rogue advanced talent. A swashbuckler may count his thrust damage as sneak attack damage for the purpose of rogue talents.
Exceptional Reflexes: The swashbuckler's sense of danger and reflexes have become honed to a hair trigger. The swashbuckler always acts first in combat, and may make full actions in the surprise round. If two or more swashbucklers are in combat together, they roll initiative normally to determine which of them go first between them. [mdt, this is a nice ability, all credit goes to you.] I would be tempted to bump this up to a full action and a pounce-like ability in the surprise round. Something like, A swashbuckler can always act in the surprise round. During the surprise round, he is treated as having the pounce ability.

A note for Kavalas, and a philosophical question in general.

I'm liking it a lot at this point.

I think it could still use a few tweaks, but you did a few of the things I was just thinking to myself....

I like what you did with Find the Mark. Very simple implementation.

I like the improved reaction ability, very nice.

I like that you slowed the thrust damage progression, I nearly added that to my list yesterday, but I didn't want to sound too down on things. I want this to work so that I can play one. :) (Should be +4d6 at 14th, a typo.)

I would still like a statement that for the purpose of rogue talents, thrust damage counts as sneak attack damage. (Did I mention I want to steal this class one of these days?)

To incorporate Kalavas's ideas, perhaps bump the improved reaction to
+2 at 3rd
+3 at 8th (or even +4)
+4 at 13th (or even +6)
able to act in the surprise round at 18th (and +5? or +8)
possibly work the surprise round business into the capstone?
I don't think a melee focused build will cause much damage by acting first, but it is a cool ability.

Regarding Uncanny Dodge. Since this class is light on armor, I think that Uncanny Dodge at 2nd is the right thing to do. However, to scale the power level back a little, you could do the following:

Remove Improved Uncanny Dodge at 7th and replace the "bonus feats" at 8th and 16th with something like "advanced combat training"

Advanced Combat Training The swashbuckler trains in one area of advanced combat training. This manifests itself in one of the following ways:

• Improved Uncanny Dodge
  
• Improved Evasion
  
• A bonus combat feat. Treat the swashbucklers level as a fighters for the purpose of this feat.
  
• Something else cool that seems to fit.

While we are on the scaling the power level back topic, it would seem like changing the weapon proficiencies to simple, light and one-handed martial, and ranged martial would be both appropriate to the class and scale things back slightly.

I would also consider replacing one of the bonus feats with a reworded power attack/piranha strike feat that only applied to a one handed weapon finessable piercing weapon. I would replace the feat at level 4. I would specify that it cannot be combined with either of the above.

Regarding the capstone, you really want to make something new. I was working on a custom class for a while and it took me months to come up with something, but the joy of really designing the appropriate capstone is by far better than just stealing one. That being said, if you are going to start playing this class, just talk with your dm and once it gets designed, add it in. That's what I did. I was 5th level before I finished designing my class.

A couple of thoughts.

1. I like the additional skills added, they seem particularly appropriate with you move in the rogue direction.

2. I like the clarification on the feats. Using one half the swashbucklers level as his fighter level seems about right to me.

3. Regarding rogue talents. Would you consider thrust damage to be equivalent to sneak attack damage? Can thrust damage be used in place of sneak attack damage for things like the Bleeding Attack rogue talent?

3.5 Also, between 6 bonus feats and 5 rogue talents (1 bonus feat, weapon focus and 3 other talents, probably), that may be one or two too many. A fighter gets 11 bonus feats. What you propose can get 10 (finesse, deflect arrows, 6 bonus from the class, 1 bonus as a talent, and weapon focus as a talent). That seems to push a little close to the number a fighter gets.

4. I'm not sure Slippery Mind really fits. Maybe it does for your vision of this class. I would suggest dropping it and changing the wording on rogue talents to allow for advanced talents starting at level 15. You could grab Slippery Mind with a advanced talent if so desired, or pick something else. Dropping it in favor of the talent approach would help scale down the power level a little.

5. Weapon Mastery. If you keep it, I would require that the chosen weapon was piercing and weapon finesse applied. However, stealing the fighter's capstone seems a little rude to fighters. I would say something a little less powerful might be in order here.

It would be interesting to build a fighter and compare to the swashbuckler.

Let's look at AC quickly.
Swashbuckler 20
+5 evade (dodge, so applies to touch, very good)
+4 mithral chain shirt (max dex +6, check 0)

Fighter 20
+9 mithral full plate (max dex +7, check check 0)

So, it would seem the evade ability is pretty much in line with the armor training ability.

Comparing to a fighter, I come to the following conclusions, at level 20.
Feats:
fighter: 11
swashbuckler: 10 feats (possibly)
Armor: (ignoring enchantments and shields)
fighter: 9
swashbuckler: 9

Fighters get bravery, armor mastery and a few additional weapon groups.

Swashbuckler gets more skills, better saves, 3 rogue talents (assuming 2 are spent on feats), evasion, improved evasion, uncanny dodge, improved uncanny dodge, thrust +7d6, +2 to crit threat range.

I really wanted to like what you did, I've been thinking about making a swashbuckler recently, but it seems you may have pushed it a little too far. Perhaps a reasonable fix would be something like:

Reduce the number of bonus feats by 2, drop Improved Evasion, drop Slippery Mind, and allow advanced talents starting at level 11 (both Slippery Mind and Improved Evasion can be gotten through advanced talents), and reduce or replace the weapon mastery ability.

That's my 2cp, I look forward to seeing what you end up with.

Edit: I was comparing to the fighter, obviously. In that regard, I think it might be pushing the power level a little. If you feel the fighter is on the underpowered level, than perhaps what you did is fine. I have no idea how it compares to barbarians, or rangers, or anything else.

The Ring of Three Wishes seems to be an ad hoc pricing scheme to me as well.

I guess the question then becomes, if Wish was deemed to be worth 15,000gp each, what is a reasonable amount for Limited Wish to be worth?

My original third suggestion was 3500gp. Using a price similar to a potion gives 4550gp. Perhaps 5000gp is reasonable.

I'll have to discuss it with my DM. Thanks for the input guys.

I'm trying to figure out how much a Ring of Three Limited Wishes should cost.

The obvious place to start is the Ring of Three Wishes. The Ring of Three Wishes cost 120,000pg. 75,000gp for the material components and 45,000gp on top of that. Basically a cost of the material component of the spell plus 15,000gp per wish.

The component cost of limited wish is much less than wish (1500gp instead of 25,000gp). That part of the cost is obvious and easy to figure out. My real problem is how much extra to add for each limited wish.

I have a few thoughts, but would like to hear any input you may have.

1. The additional cost per wish is 60% of the cost of the materials, so if we apply the same standard to limited wish, we would arrive at an additional 900gp per limited wish. That would give a cost of 7200gp (5850gp to create). This seems a little under costed to me.

2. Treat the spell effect as a single use, use-activated item (similar to a potion). That would give a cost of spell level x caster level x 50 gp per limited wish. In this case, 7 x 13 x 50 = 4550gp. That would give a cost of 18,150gp (11,325gp to create). This seems close. However, since it takes a body slot, it feels a little overpriced to me

3. Since the Ring of Three Wishes seems to not follow the chart, but rather is just given a price that seems appropriate for the power, we could try that here as well. 15,000gp seems about right to me. (9750gp to create)

I've looked around and haven't seen any rules regarding this item, but it seems like something that is useful and should exist.