Heyden watches the exchange amused. For sure, blue-bloods made a sport of their luxuries, topping one another with the sheer audacity of their frivolities. But it seemed, to him at least, most common folk only lamented their inability to participate, not the act itself. "I suppose it depends on who you ask." he muses outloud "That most are sympathetic to there own circumstances is understandable."
Arisl'arial Tathmir wrote: Aris smiles at Heyden. "So, we're both servants, you and I? There is nothing wrong with that. Neither of us sound like house-servants or maids. I was one of Swordlord Koenig's closest-" Heyden ignores the newcomer and opts to continue his dancing. After all, the majority of the tavern already seems to have taken interest in helping the foreigner. "Technically I'm more in the way of freelance at the moment, but that's neither here nor there. The Swordlords are similar to the Sentinels, though we are less a governing body as it were. Curious, though, if you would count yourself among their ranks." he stops to sniff the air around the woman for a moment "You smell more of sulfur than iron. Not a duelist, I take?"
Arisl'arial Tathmir wrote: Aris accepts Heyden's offer, keeping him at arms' distance while trying to keep up with his pace. As they dance, she looks at him curiously. "I was born in Port Ice, but I haven't been back in...a long time. Tell me, who are the Scarlet Sentinels? You worked with them, you said, and if we're to be working together, I would like to know a bit about my colleagues." "Ohhh, were to start..." "Simply put: we are bodyguards; typically to bluebloods - royalty and merchants, those sort of folk. But that's more of an after thought. Sentinels are dedicated to concepts of loyalty and honor. We are like a family; we are a family. It just so happens that those sort of values are considered ideal when looking for a retainer."
Arawn Vasska wrote:
"Haha! I understood that parties such as this were thrown for matters of intrigue. Surely it is not in spirit to converse in esoteric speak; no one would be able to eavesdrop properly!" "It is a delight, Master Arawn. I am Heyden Crowshen of the Scarlet Sentinels."
Arisl'arial Tathmir wrote: "Greetings. Are you, by chance, here to see a Lord about a letter? I received one a handful of months ago, and it was most intriguing." She pauses, then continues. "I am unsure about dancing, but anyone willing to throw such an outrageous sum at people simply to get them to attend a ball is either desperate for friends or scheming. I, for one, hope for the latter; a good scheme is so hard to come by these days. Oh. Arisl'Arial Tathmir. A librarian by employment." "I am Heyden Crowshen of the Scarlet Sentinels, a pleasure to meet you miss Tathmir." Heyden bows politely "I am a bodyguard by employ, though in truth I am here for matters of both business and pleasure. I suspect you and I have received similar letters. Perhaps we should discuss further. Over a dance, maybe?"
Yes, but what qualifies as a "troll recruitment"? What guidelines are the Paizo staff actually supposed to follow that are actually realistic and fair? Best case is you ban a handful of potentials, maybe even enough to make a difference for a while. Worst case is that you've created a platform by which people can accuse one another to resolve personal vendetta's. Remember, the thing about trolls is that they look exactly like normal posters, so if you want to make strict guidelines to block trolls you'll inevitably put normal posters at risk. How does the community being aware possibly deter a troll? The worse thing you can do in this case is engage them and show that they're getting results. If anything people are offering more fuel for the potential fire. I agree with GM Aest for what it's worth, but I'd add on to their own statement that bringing it up in this manner invites the risk of a witch hunt (a possibility that has already been broached once thanks, unintended or otherwise, to GM_Panic). If you want to post links, that's fine. I'm not totally against the possibility of the troll, but I have a hard time of believing it is to the extent that some have claimed and also that it lies at the root at the problem. Also, if I could be presumptuous for a moment and guess that you would cite the Gossamar World and The Fallen Sons and Daughters of Heaven recruitments, let me point out that both of them had the full endorsement of Monkeygod who has something like 14,000 posts.
No need to really mince words about it at this point. I agree Divinitus is gone, and even if he does come back I'd be confident in saying this game wouldn't go anywhere besides. I also think ya'll should cut your losses because there's a snowball's chance in hell anyone picks this up and makes something of it. Go back and look at your characters; we are ridiculous, mechanically speaking. No way a freelance GM will want anything to do with us. As for the larger matter of "trolls"; I think that's a dangerous line of thought. I haven't seen much in the way of evidence that isn't either circumstantial or easily dismissable, 'specially considering there seems to be an attitude of attributing it all to one person/group of persons. The underlying cause of which, I think, is that people care way, way too much. Frankly, this is only a game to me and will never be anything more. With that in mind I'm fine when a game dies or I walk away or whatever because I only ever put as much effort into a character as I am willing to lose (which, really, is hardly a loss in the traditional sense because characters can be repurposed with virtually no effort). Most people seem to get so invested in the character that they have a hard time handling it when things don't pan out. It lends to one looking for some malicious entity to attribute their woes too, to make it easier to accept the idea that it can be stopped or that it won't happen again. But the reality is that it WILL happen again, and it will always happen again. And that's not to say that things are isolated only to trolls; sometimes one doesn't even get into a game, or a GM has a legit reason to step away, or the game just plain old sucks. Warning against/hunting for trolls seems to be the wrong way about it I think. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for cautionary tales and prevention but I think we're bordering on dangerous territory (unless someone has a reasonably appropriate means by which Paizo could actually monitor and prevent this). I'd much rather see people make an effort to be more direct with what they want out of a game and what they're willing to offer to keep it alive. Not to say that you are advocating otherwise, mdt, but ideas have a tendency to take a life of their own once said. Just my two cents, anyways. Not like I haven't been wrong about things in the past, nor should I expect everyone to approach the situation with my own mindset in favor of their own.
I submitted the first time around but I get the feeling that Sigvarr wasn't really welcome. May as well take another shot, though. No skin off my bones. I've got a Harbinger/Barbarian to submit. It's using the Masquerade Reveler archetype which would need to be approved but otherwise things should mostly be in order. I just need to update some math real quick. Otherwise let me know if you see anything you aren't fond of. |