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The best use of one of these is not for yourself....but on a older than young adult dragon. Imagine going up against a Ancient Wyrm dragon...being a level in which it will be a challenged and than dumping one of these down it's throats.

Than with the resulting treasure hoard you can get more next month.

You assume that my children swallow...

Also, I'd like to see a write up on Apsu and some legends about the creation of the world.

There is some information out there, scholar. My children have been getting some attention by the golem scribes.

There are already some creation myths in the books. They're all mutually exclusive, of course.

I remember those godlings squabbling among themselves about these things.

I am Apsu the Waybringer, god of all dragons. Dragons being the most powerful creatures in creation makes me the most powerful deity of all. And I agree with Aroden: KaeYoss wins this. This thread has gone on long enough. Let it end now, in the way it should.

THE GODS HAVE SPOKEN!

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the eidolon is more than just breakable. it's extremely easily breakable. it can be built around being stronger than any mere cookie cutter great wyrm dragon. and as strong if not stronger than most gods.

Ok maybe I missed something, or maybe its a bit of exaggeration, but exactly how can they be made that strong?

A bit of an exaggeration? More like making a mountain out of a molehill. As a god, I can just will my enemies dead. Nascent divine figures like archangels or full-fledged demigods might be a bit more of a nuisance, but not an eidolon.

As for the remark about dragons - my children have far more going for them then brute strength. Those "cookie cutters" will have about twice as many HD (with the appropriate increase in attack bonuses and saves), powerful supernatural powers and considerable magical ability. Even the most feeble of great wyrms are virtually archmages in their own right - and very few archmages have the experience of over a millenium of living (at the very least) as well as a gargantuan body.

Apsu the Waybringer wrote:

KaeYoss wrote:

TriOmegaZero wrote:

KaeYoss wrote:

Where's the challenge? If you just sit around and tell stories and how you want them to unfold, you don't need all those rules that deal with challenges and how to overcome them.

And that's why the classic RPG needs a GM - To populate the world with NPCs and challenges.

That's what the other players are for. You've split up the DM into all the players, who make up the NPCs and challenges your character encounters. Then your characters hav to work together to overcome the challenges you all made.

Instead of the DM saying 'there's an ogre, what do you do', YOU are the one saying 'there is an ogre, what do we do?'. That is the difference.

And yes, you don't need all those rules for challenges. That's what freeform is about. You don't even need a character sheet.

A dragon god who's my best friend eats you all. I win!

I do not!

I don't mean you. I mean Bahamut.

Joke's on you, then. He's busy being a magical fighter jet and forcing monster turtles on their knees. All because he things he has to obey this chick who has the hots for this other chick. Not that I judge, mind you, but you'd think a dragon god worth his salt had better things to do than to help some weird people annoy those poor turtles.

TriOmegaZero wrote:

KaeYoss wrote:

Where's the challenge? If you just sit around and tell stories and how you want them to unfold, you don't need all those rules that deal with challenges and how to overcome them.

And that's why the classic RPG needs a GM - To populate the world with NPCs and challenges.

That's what the other players are for. You've split up the DM into all the players, who make up the NPCs and challenges your character encounters. Then your characters hav to work together to overcome the challenges you all made.

Instead of the DM saying 'there's an ogre, what do you do', YOU are the one saying 'there is an ogre, what do we do?'. That is the difference.

And yes, you don't need all those rules for challenges. That's what freeform is about. You don't even need a character sheet.

A dragon god who's my best friend eats you all. I win!

I do not!

Dahak, that despicable worm, apparently created draconic sex robots that are a bit too realistic. They lay eggs.

She only gets a passing mention because she's not really involved in the happenings of Golarion. There are no followers of Tiamat - even our blasphemous get Dahak has but a small following, even among the evil dragons.

That's why information is so scarce: Few scholars know about her, and most of those who do will not talk of her. She's like a distant horror of the Dark Tapestry: It's there, it's evil and dangerous, but it's far, far away, unlikely to disturb this sphere.

After clearing a room we notice that a red dragon is looking down on us from the level above. [...] I detect evil on the dragon and it doesn't radiate evil.

My view is that my character would still have no dealings with the dragon since the church teaches that red dragons should never be trusted and killed if possible. However most in my group are making me feel like I am being unreasonable.

Note that detect evil is not a sure-fire way of determining whether something is evil, as the dragon could use magic to mask its evil.

And the cunning of dragons is widely known.

I don't say that it is impossible that a Red is redeemed, but it's very, very unlikely.

And neither is wise to just go ahead and attack it . Red dragons are incarnations of draconic power and fury. You cannot overstate the danger these engines of destruction pose.

So, before and beyond anything else: Be wary!

I'm not really a people person. While I won't mind some misguided human or other small and squishy creature pray to me, I don't really encourage it, and I don't really offer anything to your average peasant, you know.

Ironically enough, though, most of my actual priests (in the "casts divine spells" sense of the word) are humanoids, as my draconic children walk different paths than that of divine spellcaster but sometimes seek out puny allies to help them in their grand projects. The problem with such allies is that they will soon die, and they have to acquire and train a new one.

Beside those who play the role as my children' pets, there are some humanoids who have greatly suffered from the depredations of rampaging dragons and turn to me to intervene on their behalf, but most of the time, people in situations like this turn to their own deities for protection, justice or revenge.

The best bet to get my full support is to actively oppose Dahak. You might not know this, but the dragons aren't really split between two deities - all goodly dragons following me while the evil ones follow the Endless Destruction. Most dragons, be they metallic or chromatic, or from any other sept, pay something akin to "lip service" to me - few dragons are really religious, even my golden children are more favoured elder children than clerics. But even the "evil" dragons usually pay me grudging homage as their creator.

It is only the vilest of dragons that turn to my tainted spawn for power and immortality, and these terrible creatures are a blight upon the multiverse. Those who seek to direktly oppose the False Wyrm and his insane followers will find a kindred spirit in me, for I share their goal.

So I feel this dragonblooded friend of yours is on a fool's errand if he wants to bring my worship to humanoids. I do not wish to convert the short-lived races away from their gods, and they probably don't want to turn to me.

I understand that your race has a short attention span to match their short allotment of time on your material plane, so I will not bore you with the other three weeks of speech I usually give those interested in my faith.

Some of your scholars managed to fight off sleep long enough to gather some more information about me, and they wrote it down in a number of tomes. The Fortress of the Stone Giants is one such tome, but there are others named "Gods and Magic" and "Dragons Revisited", the first containing a few lines about me because it is a summary of many deities worshipped on your material world of Golarion, the latter because it talks about the two most numerous of draconic sept (chromatic and metallic) and does have a short summary of the dragons' origin, as well as a few lines about each of the 10 kinds of dragons' relation to the divine.

Aroden wrote:

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

mere gods

Care to say that to my face?

Sure dead boy

What about mine, gnat? Wait, I'll get my head all the way down to yours.

Jarod Darkblade wrote:

Gentleman Nurn wrote:

Aroden wrote:

D&D? THIS! IS! PATHFINDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

*kicks wizard into bottomless hole*

*throws wizard back out*

Who installed this blasted skylight!?

*Kicks him back down*

Let's see how long we can keep his body in the air!

*blasts him back up with rockets*

*Blasting back down with a wing buffet attack.*

And that's not the "All you can eat chicken wing buffet", you know.

Sissyl wrote:

I am amazed that nobody has as of yet discussed dragon genetics here. The blighters are more or less fertile with ANY sort of creature.

Definetly. Try tell Dahak (or even Apsu) that their mortal children can't do that. Ever been burned by divine dragonfire? Wanto to? Then do what I just said.

Like dragons themselves, dragon sperm has all strong saves and the good BAB. It also has several powerful resistances and attack options. There's not an egg in this reality that can withstand dragonsperm!

Draconians are known for ther perseverence, longevity, and patience. We'll get the 28.000 eventually, with my divine assistance.

So your idea of a dragonproof village is to rely on something that probably has but a 5% chance of working (since the dragon is likely to make that save)? Furnish me with your addresses, I'll send something your way.

P.S. come to my lair to collect at any time.

P.P.S. If you do come to collect, please bring a large bag of coins with you.

P.P.P.S. Do use the right perfume. Teryaki, for example.

My children possess surprising manual dexterity. They can pick up single coins, write (no need for a quill, they usually use their claws), and make surgical-precision cuts to the bellies of people asking impertinent questions.

Not that I'm pointing any fingers here...

I'M an available god to worship.

So? Who isn't?

Dear Ask A Shoanti,

recently I allowed a bunch of upstart human wannabe Conans to goad me into attacking their vice-ridden villages.

My question to you: Does your kind need some more room to expand? It should be inhabitable again in a few years.

I shall then be Apsu