| Fíriel Goldworthy |
I'm almost definitely going to have to hold off until the weekend... very busy week at work.
(They bought me my very own intern, so I'm trying to figure out how to be a good intern-boss... while still managing my own workload.)
| Asht'el |
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Regarding spells, have you looked at shadow conjuration, greater? Multiple options within a single spell is a good thing for a sorcerer, right?
I had not, but now I have. Looks like fun!
I will probably not get a full update done until late in the week or the weekend either.
| Asht'el |
Bling. Something that really sets off that coiffure of yours.
Continuing to take Randall's excellent advice, I've upgraded my headband of alluring charisma from +2 to +4, so my hair will look awesome. I also bought two more wands of infernal healing.
I bought some more evil outsider-bane bolts, so I now have 25 of them - which I could use up in less than two rounds if I chose to, since I can fling 14 at a time. I've got about 6000 gp left, and I'm not sure what else to buy. I could get 30 more such bolts and spend almost everything I've got, and be a deadly auto-turret - but other ideas for how a sorcerer can be made more effective vs evil outsiders would be cool.
| Jametor Darksbane |
I have contingency and access to all sorts of level 7 spells. um..limited wish?
And then Hero Lab wanted to update my license since I moved to Windows 10...and I lost two levels of stuff...
/weep
I am going to buy 100 potions of DR 15/good...figure that'll stop the evil.
| Randall Quickstep |
Brainstorming some ideas
Metamagic rods to aid against spell resistance
Weapons against evil outsiders, like Asht'el is doing
Armor against evil outsiders
Wondrous items to improve abilities or provide means of circumventing enemies - helm of teleportation? What does that cost?
| Xiddik |
Is it even worth investing in a mithral tail extension for demonslaying? I feel like melee with non-elves is just a lost cause for Xiddik, especially with alignment DR. Much more important to me is being able to switch, like, 75% of my spells to ones that don't suck. Xiddik will consult with Jametor and Ash't, as well as the Councilmembers, to try and work out whether illusion magic is a decent investment with demons. Seems like true seeing becomes more and more common at these levels, but she did get some mileage out of it in the previous fight.
| Njord Bjornson |
Mithril probably isn't worth it unless you're also going to invest in oils of bless weapon and/or holy weapon enchantment.
| Jametor Darksbane |
I am trying to decide if I want to add piercing spell or extend spell. Piercing helps with overcoming SR by reducing the enemies SR by 5. Extend spell would be awesome making things last twice as long, so One mage armor lasts 28 hours. One FLY spell lasts 28 minutes. Haste would last 28 rounds. Invis 28 mins/Greater invis 28 rounds, instead of 14 min/rounds respectively.
My spellbook tends to really favor blasting and Fireball is my main blast. I might even think about selective spell, since it would allow me to adjust more fireballs (than the 3 times I get with the rod, but the rod is another option)
What do you think?
Oh and I need this to be a metamagic feat to get my third to allow me to get to spell perfection. Of course, if we aren't going to get to 15, doesn't mean much.
| Xiddik |
Level 1s (DC 15): Cure Light Wounds, Expeditious Retreat, Forced Quiet Lesser Confusion, Remove Fear, Saving Finale, Dazzling Blade.
Level 2s (DC 16): Cure Moderate Wounds, Calm Emotions Glitterdust or Heroism, Gallant Inspiration, Delay Poison.
Level 3s (DC 17): Major Image, Displacement, Tiny Hut, Good Hope. Sacrificed one spell for Masterpiece. This is the worst masterpiece in the world.
Put a few more buffs in there, since buffs are the gift that keep on giving. Still not getting Haste, since back when I had it I remember that Jametor always beat me to the punch. Tiny Hut seems like a decent utility for camping, and Lesser Confusion and Glitterdust seem like they could be decent contributions.
Level-Up Changes
+1 first- and third-level spells per day.
Inspire Greatness! And +2 rounds of performance per day. Effective level increases by +1/2 for Fascinate from FCB, and save DC goes up by +1.
1 rank in Perform (sing), 3 ranks in Perform (wind), 2 ranks in Knowledge (planes).
+5 HP, assuming we aren't able to heal that Con drain.
New Gear
A lot of this is recovery, since I actually lost my gearlist ages ago. So, re-purchasing gear, with a budget of 185,000 gp:
+1 keen vicious spell storing elf bane razored tail attachment: 50,003 gp. At this point, the name is becoming a bit of a mouthful, so Xiddik begins calling her tail attachment Zest.
Ocarina of Dissolution: 12,000 gp. I was thinking—is there any chance I could merge this with another musical item, just so the ocarina can stay competitive? For instance, it takes on a connection to the spirits of the dead, and gains the abilities of a horn of valhalla? Any other ideas for musical magic items it could blend with?
+1 holy composite 2 shortbow: 18,225 gp. Because I might as well contribute something to fights against demons. :P
50 cold iron arrows: 2 gp.
+1 mithral chain shirt of etherealness: 51,100 gp. I dunno, etherealness just kinda seems like fun. I might go with Shadow instead. Be a good sight cheaper.
Deluxe Adventuring Kit: 130 gp. Probably sans most of the light items, of course. Xiddik also dumps most of her old Darklands items.
Universal Solvent (4 doses): 200 gp.
Belt of Giant Strength +4: 16,000 gp.
Horncap of Alluring Charisma +6: 36,000 gp.
Total: 183,660 spent. Cool beans. I may revise this if I do get to tinker with the ocarina, though, or if anything here does not meet GMvernmental approval.
| Randall Quickstep |
Jametor:
Extend Spell is great for buffs, not as effective for attacks.
Piercing Spell might be helpful considering the nature of the foes we expect to encounter - have you been getting through their SR?
I think Selective Spell is situational and we have generally managed to avoid getting fried by friendly fire - have you had to change your plans because someone (without evasion and a crazy reflex save) was in your intended target area?
Have you considered Empower Spell to give your blasts more punch? It costs a little more, but it might be worth having one in your bag of tricks to clear out the mooks.
| Randall Quickstep |
I have exactly zero plans right now... so if you've got ideas, I'm open. :)
I got sideswiped by a lot of things, so I haven't given this any more thought. I don't know if there are even any talents that it helps to coordinate with someone else, so perhaps the point is moot.
| Jametor Darksbane |
Well then is Maximize better than empower? The tax isn't as horrible as you think, because of my traits and such. And since fireball is the method of death (even if it's usually not fire depending on if the flamehaired one and I remember to mix)
| Randall Quickstep |
I don't know how all the feats stack up. A long time ago (in 3.5 days), someone did a mathematical analysis of the pros and cons of Empower vs Maximize. His conclusion was that Empower was equal or better, depending on the spell and the level at which it was being cast.
If you get silly stacking feats on a spell, does it ever get too high for you to cast where Empower would work but Maximize would not? Is that a combo you might want to use? I'm not going to pretend to know the actual numbers for such a decision.
And I'm not trying to dissuade you from your original choices, just tossing out another option. After all, it doesn't matter how many point of damage it does if it doesn't get through SR.
| Jametor Darksbane |
True and right now Jametor is a +17 on SR, which seems like a lot, until the roller throws low numbers, but most mobs we've been facing are somewhere around 20ish SR it seems? Demons..hrm.
To be honest this is the part i've been working on for a few days, because i need to hit and hit hard..or you guys realized you can do it without me since i went on vacation to the other plane and you got it done.
I actually waste a die on Intensified Fireball now (14 +2 for the spell spec) and waste 6 die on a regular fireball, but most of those have been coming out of the staff, which is mostly empty unless we get a few days to recharge.
Also, if I could use my 20k to increase my headband from +2 to +4, that would be 12k (16-4?) Then I could get 2 2nd level pearls of power. would that work?
ETA: I guess I could get two levels of cleric..but i don't think that gets me enough to help with evil outsiders.
| Randall Quickstep |
Piercing would effectively make that a +22 because it lowers their resistance, right?
Persistent Spell would force them to make the save twice or suffer the consequences. You need something that lets you make the caster level check twice so you have a second chance to make it if you roll low. Hmm.
| Asht'el |
I can't remember what feat I took last, but since Xiddik is doing a fun re-build of spell list and gear, maybe I could do a little tinkering with feat choice? There are a couple of teamwork feats that we could consider, Jametor, to deal with SR: Allied Spellcaster and Spell Chain. I think the first one would be more generally useful, though it would require Jametor and Asht'el to spend a lot of time standing side by side.
I could get rid of a 3rd-level spell and learn fireball to give us the additional bonus (which would be +4 on SR checks and a +1 bonus to the caster level for all level-dependent variables, such as duration, range, and effect), though I'd have to think about which one to ditch, since all the ones I have are pretty useful.
| Asht'el |
On a different note - Hero Lab tells me that Asht'el's gear has a total value of about 69,000 gp. Is that about where everyone else is? I know WBL is 185,000 and that's what Xiddik is using to redo her gear list. I'm not intending to whine about it, just wondering if I should be buying more stuff - which means I have to figure out what to buy.
If I were to spend some more gold, I'd probably boost a couple of my metamagic rods to more powerful versions, not sure what else at this point.
| Njord Bjornson |
Hrm. How much wealth does everyone else have currently?
| Fíriel Goldworthy |
I don't have any Hero Labs... would someone with 'em mind puttin' my gear in to check for me? I /believe/ the Sneakyboots were worth 400gp, but I'd have to check to be totally sure (and can't check right now).
| Randall Quickstep |
I find it unlikely to be accurate, but my HL says ~50,200.
I would have to go back through and make sure all my gear from the character sheet had made it into Hero Lab.
I might have time to look at yours later, Firiel. The mean ol' bag probably shorted you big-time for gear, I imagine.
| Jametor Darksbane |
My HL says 74,131, the staff being almost 48k of my wealth, but I am probably higher than most because of the staff, not sure if I made that up to everyone.
Ash, i think we have enough issues trying to remember to comixture, which we need to do more of. I don't recall failing an SR for the most part, since I have the elf and both of the early feats bonusing it. Piercing seems to be the better of the two, =5 is a pretty big hit.
I was hoping I'd hear on a new job today, but..yeah, nada. So..
| Kobold Catgirl |
On a different note - Hero Lab tells me that Asht'el's gear has a total value of about 69,000 gp. Is that about where everyone else is? I know WBL is 185,000 and that's what Xiddik is using to redo her gear list. I'm not intending to whine about it, just wondering if I should be buying more stuff - which means I have to figure out what to buy.
This can sometimes be caused by selling gear to buy new stuff. If you tell a 2,000 gp sword at half price to buy a 1,000 gp cloak, you're still considered to have 2,000 gp for the purposes of WBL.
That said, 69k is not nice pretty far off what I'm giving Xiddik. The last thing I want is for the kobold to get overpowered. ;P
| Asht'el |
All reasonable points, Jametor, was just throwing ideas around.
Sorry to hear you haven't heard about the new job - they're probably busy perfecting their Halloween costumes and you'll hear from them tomorrow!
| Jametor Darksbane |
I have Jametor ready except for the 20k spent. I went ahead with Piercing, just to try and make sure my big spells don't fizzle, although, I haven't totally redone my memorized spells to have all of them with metamagic.
| Randall Quickstep |
You don't have to redo all of them. They aren't all subject to SR, for one thing, so you don't want to pay the tax for making them Piercing.
But you knew that and I'm taking you literally.
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Firiel, my HL doesn't have several of the neat things you carry, so I don't know the prices. If someone else has a more complete HL library, they could do this faster than I can. Sorry, dear.
| Randall Quickstep |
I lost track of the fact that I needed to be working on Randall.
Here are some talents I'm considering:
Unwitting Ally
Stealthy Sniper --> Sniper's Eye later?
Snap Shot
Powerful Sneak
Offensive Defense
Fast Tumble
I haven't been doing a lot of ranged attacks, but the talents where I can only use one at a time on a sneak attack are bothersome - why pick two if you can only ever use one? Are there any that are mutually exclusive when they work best?
Unwitting ally and Fast Tumble are probably the best candidates I'm seeing. Suggestions for others? Could take a bonus feat and go for something teamwork-related if Firiel sees something helpful.
| Jametor Darksbane |
Are we still building or deciding if we are poor murder...non-hobos?
I'd like to spend my 20k this way:
Also, if I could use my 20k to increase my headband from +2 to +4, that would be 12k (16-4?) Then I could get 2 2nd level pearls of power. would that work?
| Njord Bjornson |
I need to check on Firiel's wealth total but I think it's fair to say that we're all pretty behind.
Has everyone finished leveling at least?
| Jametor Darksbane |
My leveling is done, spells selected, but if i add int items, i'll need more spells. I don't really have anything that will specifically work on outsiders..just better spell pen, to get around their SR.
| DM Oladon |
This last book was a bit silly when it came to wealth... they seemed to expect the players to thoroughly ransack the fortress. As in... it gives values for the paintings of the councilors in the council chamber, and the accoutrements of Perelir's Calistrian temple.
| Jametor Darksbane |
okay so, my new headband of vast intelligence +4, carries a second skill bonus. Anything we seem to need more of? I pretty much have at least +13 to most knowledge skills.
Any ideas on things I might spend my new found kobold-free wealth?