Can you take a variant heritage from Blood Of Fiends (div spawn, etc) and that same character has the fiendish sorcery ability also?
From what I'm reading, it looks like the character would still have it!
You should still have it, it only changes your ability and skill modifiers and spell-like ability. You also still have those traits, they just change what spells/skills.
Yes, you still have Fiendish Sorcery, unless you replace it with something from the Advanced Race Guide.
But that means you can play a sorcerer with abyssal or infernal bloodline, choose a heritage that raises your Charisma, and still get the additional bonus from Fiendish Sorcery.
If your problem is with the word "fiendish", there's no problem with that. Technically, all evil outsiders are considered fiends.
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Yes, you still have Fiendish Sorcery, unless you replace it with something from the Advanced Race Guide.
But that means you can play a sorcerer with abyssal or infernal bloodline, choose a heritage that raises your Charisma, and still get the additional bonus from Fiendish Sorcery.
If your problem is with the word "fiendish", there's no problem with that. Technically, all evil outsiders are considered fiends.
If you were Crossblooded, with Abbysal or Infernal as one of your crosses would that also work?
If you were Crossblooded, with Abbysal or Infernal as one of your crosses would that also work?
Why wouldn't it?
Yeah, this bit is kind of wonky, since it works with RAW, but it seems weird otherwise, since the general implication of bloodlines is that you have an ancestor with magical power, and this ancestor should logically be also the source of your tiefling blood.
I mean, a rakshasha blooded tiefling would have to have the abyssal or infernal heritage in order to benefit from fiendish sorcery, rather than going with the more obvious rakshasha bloodline.
Of course, rakshashas have a positive bonus to CHA, unlike the base tiefling, for whom fiendish sorcery was intended. And most other bloodlines have penalties to either INT or WIS instead of CHA. The only tiefling type that really gets the raw end of the deal here are the onispawn, since they have a penalty to CHA, and as such have problems picking their own bloodline.
So if you want to be an sorcerer involved with Oni, you have to be some type of mongrel that either uses a different bloodline or picks a different type of tiefling so they can use the oni bloodline. Either that, or go crossblooded.
As an interesting note, there is a Feat in Blood of Fiends called "Improved Fiendish Sorcery" that adds both the Rakshasa and Shadow bloodlines to those bloodlines affected by Fiendish Sorcery.
So, your Rakshasa-Spawn Sorcerer can have the Rakshasa bloodline!
Nothing like getting that extra +2 bonus on top of the +2 Cha bonus of the Rakshasa-Spawn!
Why is a feat? Shouldn't that be an alternate racial trait? You can't take levels in multiple bloodlines anyway...That's just weird.
Yes, RAW you need a feat. But anywhere the DM can make a house rule (so, basically outside PFS), it should be fairly easy to let a Daemon-spawn tiefling apply Fiendish Sorcery to Daemon bloodline, Oni-spawn to Oni bloodline, and Rakshasa-spawn to Rakshasa bloodline.
This is similar to the fact Ifrit get a bonus for the Elemental (fire) bloodline, but not the Efreet bloodline. Pretty clear and easy fix.
Thanks guys for the clarification!!!