Shifter's edge question


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Whenever you use Weapon Finesse to make a melee attack with your claws or a natural attack augmented by your claws, and you use your Dexterity bonus on attack rolls and your Strength modifier on damage rolls, you also add half your shifter level to the damage.

What does it mean by this when wildshaped? If I turn into the raptor with bite, talon(using claw damage), talon(using claw damage), foreclaw, foreclaw do I get the shifter's edge damage on just the talons or on all the attacks?


Shifter’s Edge: "Whenever you use Weapon Finesse to make a melee attack with your claws or a natural attack augmented by your claws, you also add your shifter level to the damage."

Shifter Claws: "If the form does not have claw attacks, she can choose up to two natural attacks that would deal less damage than her shifter claw damage and have those attacks instead deal the same damage as her shifter claws."

So that raptor can pick 2 from bite, talon and talon to augment. The two you pick can apply the shifter's edge bonus to damage.


I initially thought the same as graystone, but on re-reading the class I noticed:

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While a shifter uses wild shape to assume her aspect’s major form, her natural attacks gain the same benefits granted by her shifter claws ability.

So if you're a level 3 shifter all of your natural attacks would ignore DR/Cold Iron and DR/Silver. It seems like 2 of your natural attacks always use your shifter claws damage progression, but all of your natural attacks gain the same DR bypass, crit multiplier, etc.

As for "which one is 'augmenting'?" I confess I am unsure.


PossibleCabbage wrote:

I initially thought the same as graystone, but on re-reading the class I noticed:

Quote:
While a shifter uses wild shape to assume her aspect’s major form, her natural attacks gain the same benefits granted by her shifter claws ability.

So if you're a level 3 shifter all of your natural attacks would ignore DR/Cold Iron and DR/Silver. It seems like 2 of your natural attacks always use your shifter claws damage progression, but all of your natural attacks gain the same DR bypass, crit multiplier, etc.

As for "which one is 'augmenting'?" I confess I am unsure.

I'm reading the section you quoted as a set up line for the with claws and without claws sentences and not its own rule. If it was meant to confer DC ignoring, it's actually easier and takes less words to actually say that. "her natural attacks ignore DR as granted by her shifter claws ability"

Question to those thinking DR ignoring is included for all natural attacks: Do you think ALL natural attack then gain a critical multiplier ×3 too?

EDIT: I've been thinking and it occurred to me that I might be looking at this too logically. With the way the rest of the book is riddled with loose language, I guess I shouldn't overlook that they might have just worded it much less precisely than they could of. SO I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure what's meant.


See it only working on two natural attacks your "claws" is what I originally thought, but if it's supposed to match the vigilante that can TWF with it and get the damage potentially on many attacks it would seem that having it apply to ALL the attacks your wildshape form possesses wouldn't be having it exceed the vigilante's version.

But it's very unclear because it all comes down to which the DEVs felt was the correct power level and there's not really any way to tell from what we have.

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