The Inner Sea in the Year 4814 AR


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Liberty's Edge

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Thanks to Rasputin Must Die we know that Golarion is 96 years behind Earth Standard Time (4714 AR is the current year on Golarion according to Absalom Reckoning which is 1918 CE Earth Time).

So where do you see the Inner Sea in 100 years in the way of politics, religion and most importantly, technology? DO you think it has established air vehicles? Spaceships? Or did it succumb to another Age of Darkness thanks to evil forces?


Pretty much the same. The dread dinosaur overgod known only as "Jayjay" keeps it that way for mysterious purposes related to the "Aypees." Nobody dares have too much metaplot for fear of ending up stricken from the universe like the Paladins of Asmodeus.

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Actually, it's 95 years. RoW occurs in 4713, not 4714. Just for the record.

And any vast technological innovation seems unlikely. Golarion is a pretty static culture technologically, mostly due to magic making it much less necessary.


Deadmanwalking wrote:

Actually, it's 95 years. RoW occurs in 4713, not 4714. Just for the record.

And any vast technological innovation seems unlikely. Golarion is a pretty static culture technologically, mostly due to magic making it much less necessary.

Tell that to Alkenstar.

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blahpers wrote:
Tell that to Alkenstar.

Alkenstar, in the Mana Wastes, actually sorta proves my point (by being the exception, but still)...and might well advance technologically, upping the quality of guns and a few other things by as much as a century. But their current tech is what, 1600s level? They get 1700s tech. Whoo. That's nice and all...but not world changing in this context.


Frankly a lot of innovation in even militaristic technology is reliant on other industries, and since those are unlikely to advance due to magic existing. even advancement on that front seems unlikely.

To put things into perspective the first batteries were discovered/uncovered/found in the roman empire. Golarion hasn't managed even that yet. so I wouldn't worry about any sweeping changes unless someone brings them from a place where they do have them.

And also, if the loss of one big empire could cause a technological dark age on our world. how likely do you think it would be for people to call down a meteor shower on Alkenstar, because well, they could.

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You have more than just Alkenstar. There are all kinds of advanced technology throughout the Golarion setting. What about Numeria and the Technic League? Perhaps the Iron Gods, which mesh technology and magic, may spark a technological revolution. Then there is of course the advanced civilization in Golarion’s very own star system as well as lost Azlanti technology scattered across the land that some fortunate Pathfinder may uncover.

OK, so 100 years may not be enough but 300 would we see magic enhanced Guns? I mean we already have alchemical firearms in 4714 AR.


The other thing to remember is that there have been advanced human societies on Golarion for tens of thousands of years. Even if we say that the entirety of humanity was blasted back to the stone age at Earthfall, that occurred in -5293 AR, the Earth equivalent of 8088 BC. Earth humans were barely entering the Neolithic, then. People were just beginning to learn agriculture.

We can easily say that humanity remained scattered and did not advance during the Age of Darkness, although that still leaves the question of Nidal. However, we can definitely say that society was reestabished on Golarion with the founding of Osirion in -3470 AR and Yixing in -2499 AR. These dates correspond to 6265 BC and 5294 BC. For comparison, Earth was still seeing rising ocean levels from the last ice age, and the 8.2 Kiloyear Event occurred during this time. The Sumerians were believed to get their start in 5000 BC, but that's still conjecture. The first true settled civilizations on par with ancient Osirion started with Uruk around 4100 BC. In other words, humanity on Golarion has had about 2000 years of advancement over Earth. It would be like discovering the Roman Empire had internet.

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Wrong John, so it seems that, at least in Pathfinder, the Old Osirion Gods came from Garund (or somewhere as they were already ancient before Garund) and then turned their attention to Kemet aka Egypt on Earth.

What year was Egypt or the Old Kingdom of Kemet founded?

Anyway interesting stuff! So Golarion at one time was more advanced than Earth or was Atlantis a colony of Azlant and that is how the Osirion Gods learned of the Distant World of Earth?


Anorak wrote:

Wrong John, so it seems that, at least in Pathfinder, the Old Osirion Gods came from Garund (or somewhere as they were already ancient before Garund) and then turned their attention to Kemet aka Egypt on Earth.

What year was Egypt or the Old Kingdom of Kemet founded?

Anyway interesting stuff! So Golarion at one time was more advanced than Earth or was Atlantis a colony of Azlant and that is how the Osirion Gods learned of the Distant World of Earth?

you nutter, the gods know of all the different realms. They just don't care at all about them, because the END OF ALL THINGS EVER, NO REALLY, HOLY COW THIS IS BAD is sealed inside golarion.

The reason that those gods came to earth was because they saw a society that resembled their own worshippers.

I could get behind the Atlantis theory though, although they could also technically be gillmen by that time.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:

Actually, it's 95 years. RoW occurs in 4713, not 4714. Just for the record.

Actually for the record, it does not occur at all. Events in AP are not part of the progressive Golarion Canon.

Spoiler:
There's no city rising out of the sea off the shores of Magnimar either.

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Golarion has at least some occasional divine intervention, and a lot of divine guidance through divination spells.

Could this actually somehow be retarding technological development?

It seems fair to blame magic for at least part of it though. With technology, the question is "how can any person do X?", but with magic it is "how can I, after achieving caster level Y, do X?". Your new abilities are hard to re-use by other people.

So there's a significant chunk of the smartest people (wizards, witches, alchemists) in society working on things that the rest of society can't use nearly as well as it would be able to use technology.


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LazarX wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:

Actually, it's 95 years. RoW occurs in 4713, not 4714. Just for the record.

Actually for the record, it does not occur at all. Events in AP are not part of the progressive Golarion Canon.

** spoiler omitted **

Until Pathfinder 2nd Edition, I'd wager.

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LazarX wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:

Actually, it's 95 years. RoW occurs in 4713, not 4714. Just for the record.

Actually for the record, it does not occur at all. Events in AP are not part of the progressive Golarion Canon.

** spoiler omitted **

Baba Yaga's return has a specific date (4713 AR), and is key to the AP. It might not happen at all (due to the 'no progressive canon' thing)...but if it does happen, canonically, it has to be in 4713 AR.

I believe it's the only AP that's true for, but it remains true.

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