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I really can't find much infomation about her besides the blurb in the Taldane Player's Companion. Is there any other souce I should look into?
I have a character idea of a Taldane noble who is loyal to her...
Anybody have done anything with her in their games at all? Does not have to be canon...just looking for ideas.
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You might try Tomb of the Iron Medusa, I think there is a little info on Taldor and her father in there.
If you ask me the whole thing is going to go down in a civil war. Probably involving Galt, Andoran, Cheliax, and Qadira. I see this spiraling mess going epic in the future. Imagine a Kingmaker/Game of Thrones type AP that takes Years (game time) to run each module and opens the door for a time line shift on the main campaign setting.
You could have the main AP line that chronicled the major events of the war that the party would have to deal with.
A mega players guide that sets up the war.
2 - 3 modules that dealt with espionage between the factions.
Companion Guides for Noble Houses of Taldor, Galt's Rebellion spreading into the populace of Taldor, Andoran and Cheliax Allies, Navy Warfare
All building to the Invasion from Casmaron!
...I can dream.
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Princess Eutropia was one of the "lesser BBEG" in one campaign of mine. Basically she funded and exploited the main BBEG right-hand man own nefarious actions to further her plots towards the throne.
She even had a faction of Lion Blades at her disposal.
While she almost didn't make an appearance in the game, and the players didn't get any hard evidence of her wrongdoings, they knew she was there in the shadows, masterminding a rebellious attack on Oppara full with poisoned daggers, agitators in the streets and heavily armed mercenaries wreaking urban mayhem.
She still mantains her status as one of the big baddies in my Golarion.
@Broken:That would be awseome...but I kinda of get the feeling that Pazio is not that into Taldane. :(
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I think they would be into anything if we could generate enough interest in it.
Get enough people to say, "I want guns to be core." and watch the world change.
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There are still people at Paizo with an interest in Taldor. My first freelance gig for Paizo was writing Taldor's entry for the Patfhinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, where Princess Eutropia first appeared. :)
I would love to do something big with Taldor some day, so if you want to see it, make your voices heard!
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I have to admit, my strongest first impressions of Taldor were made through writing for PFS, which really seemed to emphasize how calcified Taldor is as an empire in decline.
There are often calls for political APs, and I think that would be an excellent time and occasion to dust off Taldor and show how it could go in a different direction.
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I would like to see more support for Taldor. A module, especially in the new format, could spark an entire campaign! I surely would be interested in a module or three that included a lot of the political intrigue, and possibly lead to a world changing event like Broken had suggested!
An AP would be just as welcome! What I would like to see is a possible lead-in to becoming a part of the Lion Blades, or Ulfen Guard...
Then again, I had an idea of a campaign where the PCs were young Lion Blades that were scapegoats for the assassination of someone important, and things kind of go kind of "Burn Notice" on them!
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Based on how popular Kingmaker is, I can see a product line that focus on armies and factions within each country. I can see hex maps of each country going over well too. Taldor would be an awesome Kingmaker / Game of Thrones setting.
Imagine Princess Eutropia as Cersei or Daenerys, as you see fit, and start splitting up the country. You have Sarenrae cultist, Galt anti-nobility, Traditionalist Taldor, The Queen's Taldor, Chelaixian Opportunist, Andoran People's Revolution, Qadiran Invaders.
The whole time you can have the Qadiran saying, "The Desert is Coming." ;)
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There are still people at Paizo with an interest in Taldor. My first freelance gig for Paizo was writing Taldor's entry for the Patfhinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, where Princess Eutropia first appeared. :)
I would love to do something big with Taldor some day, so if you want to see it, make your voices heard!
Hey could you give us some...unofficial insight into the character?
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Hey could you give us some...unofficial insight into the character?There are still people at Paizo with an interest in Taldor. My first freelance gig for Paizo was writing Taldor's entry for the Patfhinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, where Princess Eutropia first appeared. :)
I would love to do something big with Taldor some day, so if you want to see it, make your voices heard!
Unfortunately, anything I say here would then become somewhat "official." Since we haven't yet done anything with Eutropia, I don't want to lock us into canon that might not fit into later plans.
Unfortunately, anything I say here would then become somewhat "official." Since we haven't yet done anything with Eutropia, I don't want to lock us into canon that might not fit into later plans.
I don't think there is really any danger of that problem. Even if there were any plans for the her (I have been told there aren't any), she would just be completely rewritten by whoever authors that section of the relevant book anyways, because of how little there is on her already.
In other words, Princess Eutropia is a blank slate, and we would love to hear your insight, Rob.
Also, Rob... did you ever have a name in mind for Stavian III's wife? Princess Eutropia had to have a mother.
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Unfortunately, anything I say here would then become somewhat "official." Since we haven't yet done anything with Eutropia, I don't want to lock us into canon that might not fit into later plans.On the other hand, I was told during one of the Tuesday Paizo chats that there is very little interest in ever doing an AP involving Taldor. No locking would occur, Rob.
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If you were told anything, it was perhaps by me. I'm not all that interested in Taldor, but I only helm half of the Adventure Paths these days. Rob does the other half, and as he's mentioned above, Rob DOES like Taldor.
And whether or not we had plans, the fact remains that if one of us at Paizo says something, folks tend to take it a lot more serious than not... as your own post indicates, when it attributes my off-hand comment about not being a fan of Taldor into "Paizo will never do a Taldor AP."
If you were told anything, it was perhaps by me. I'm not all that interested in Taldor, but I only helm half of the Adventure Paths these days. Rob does the other half, and as he's mentioned above, Rob DOES like Taldor.
Thank you for the clarification. Hope springs eternal.
With Game of Thrones being en vogue, a Taldor political AP would be very appropriate. I envision an external threat to the Empire, such as Cheliax, Galt, or Qadira, and Taldor is unable to get its act together due to the game of houses and the uncertainty of what Taldor will look like once Stavian III passes. It would be up to the PCs to save the Empire from foreign invasion.
Another possibility is an exploration of the Sarenrae-as-cult angle. Eutropia could be a sort of Catholic Elizabeth I, fighting off the influence of Sarenrae. To top it off, perhaps the spread of Sarenrae has not been with the best of intentions? An AP could explore issues of religious freedom, along with the issue of Sarenrae really being a tool being used to undermine the Empire.
Also, the Empire's neighbors in the Inner Sea (Andoran, Cheliax, Absalom, Galt, Qadira) are a hotbed for conflict, conflict which really has not been explored very much. Paizo's APs tend to be very isolated affairs in comparison to a potential Taldor/Inner Sea AP could be, and it would be nice to see these brewing conflicts finally explode onto the stage.
But those are just three possibilities. What do your own visions of a figurative Taldor campaign look like, Rob?
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Personally, I love Taldor. I have two concepts I have considered for my games:
1. Swashbuckling campaign which veers into Galt and involves spies and double-crossing. Scarlet Pimpernel + 3 Muskeeteers.
2. Some high concept idea based on Moorcock's Gloriana and Gaiman's Neverwhere that takes place in the immense palace at Oppara, with the characters being servants or lackeys to the aristocracy and there being a strong dark Plane of Shadows element.
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Unfortunately, anything I say here would then become somewhat "official." Since we haven't yet done anything with Eutropia, I don't want to lock us into canon that might not fit into later plans.Hey could you give us some...unofficial insight into the character?There are still people at Paizo with an interest in Taldor. My first freelance gig for Paizo was writing Taldor's entry for the Patfhinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, where Princess Eutropia first appeared. :)
I would love to do something big with Taldor some day, so if you want to see it, make your voices heard!
Understandable. Sigh. I would just like a little bit more info on her for my character concept...I don't mind making stuff up on my own...but if you guys come out with the info later...it could cause a problem.
Also while I like to the AP idea...right now I would really just love a PF Campaign Setting book detailing Taldor. I really think a former powerful Empire on the decline offers a lot of adventuring opportunity than most other place do. I also like the story of Princess Eutropia trying to restore her home to it's former glory....though I hope you guys don't make her EVIL.
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Pathfinder Campaign Setting : 4715
Our world is on a razors edge. Thassilon reaches for us from the past and darkness creeps at us from below. Untested rulers try to hold cursed thrones while monsters crawl out from the darkest corners to strip away our future.
In the nation of Taldor, Grand Prince Stavian III has died, leaving behind a country tearing at the seems. His daughter, Princess Eutropia seeks to claim the throne but the calcified traditions of Taldor have other plans.
The nations of the world are watching and preparing, for now is the time of the final pronouncements. Now the last lines of the Book of 1,000 Whispers will unfold. In the city of Oppara, The Harbingers of Fate stand watch, waiting for the echo of glory to usher in a new age.
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Pathfinder Campaign Setting : 4715
Our world is on a razors edge. Thassilon reaches for us from the past and darkness creeps at us from below. Untested rulers try to hold cursed thrones while monsters crawl out from the darkest corners to strip away our future.
In the nation of Taldor, Grand Prince Stavian III has died, leaving behind a country tearing at the seems. His daughter, Princess Eutropia seeks to claim the throne but the calcified traditions of Taldor have other plans.
The nations of the world are watching and preparing, for now is the time of the final pronouncements. Now the last lines of the Book of 1,000 Whispers will unfold. In the city of Oppara, The Harbingers of Fate stand watch, waiting for the echo of glory to usher in a new age.
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My buddy Ben Bruck was trying to sell me on a Taldor campaign, and in the process I pointed out this little tidbit:
"In order to further strengthen his empire and to gain loyal supporters, Stavian III also created an incentive program which promised formal titles to anyone willing to claim lands from rogue lords. This ensured that lords regarded as 'unworthy' of their position by the crown could be forcibly removed and replaced by individuals loyal to the Grand Prince."
That's book 1 and maybe 2 right there. Gives the PCs a reason to be actively involved in Taldan politics.
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been thinking all night...
Pathfinder Module 4715: Vengeance of Taldor
In the nation of Taldor, Grand Prince Stavian III has been murdered. In front of the Princess in the Kitharodian Academy, an assassin appeared and ended the line of kings. In her rage the Princess cried for vengeance and the shamed Ulfen Guard swore to the last man she would have it.
Still in mourning, the Princess-Elect has summoned a group of adventures to undo a mistake made in a moment of anguish. For the Ulfen Guard have trailed the assassin to Andoran and if left unchecked will bring about a war that neither country can afford.
Pathfinder Module 4715: Reaper of Kings
In the nation of Taldor, Grand Prince Stavian III has been murdered. With little to go on the advisor to the Grand Prince, Dominicus Rell, has focused on the strange weapon used to end the line of kings. A weapon with properties eerily similar to those of the Final Blades in Galt.
Rell has pulled together a team of unique individuals to cross over into Galt, and find the one person who might know something about the weapon, the Citizen Margaery San Trayne, inventor of feared guillotines.
Pathfinder Module 4715: Throne of Taldor
In the nation of Taldor, Princess-Elect Eutropia seeks to claim the throne, but the calcified traditions of Taldor have other plans. Senator Karthis has called upon the senate to continue following the rules of primogeniture and elect a new Grand Prince. The city of Oppara begins to fall into chaos as the noble houses begin to takes sides and its up to few brave individuals to prevent the city from tearing itself apart.
As the Senate cast its vote, the black sails of Cheliax bring an unexpected visitor to the city. The line of kings has one more branch, and his last name is Thrune.
The last one, thanks.
I prefer the second one (Reaper of Kings).
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While not really the point in question, I thought I'd share a story I ran through Taldor this year in my current RL campaign. If any of this happens to inspire Rob and find its way into a Taldor AP than I'll wink at the gods of parallel design happily.
The premise of the adventure involves the following scenario:
The capitol of Taldor, Oppara, is built across the ruins of an ancient Azlanti outpost, as evidenced by the ruins scattered around the city as seen in Taldor: Echoes of Glory. Somewhere deep below Taldor, a sinister force was amassing power, a collection of aboleth operating under the guidance of a Veiled Master (see Inner Sea Bestiary). These aboleth, along with a group of enslaved chuul, morlocks and gillmen were working to uncover the remains an ancient azlanti orrery (similar to the one found in From Shore to Sea) that they planned on utilizing to begin the rebuilding of their empire.
In order to facilitate this, the aboleth realized that their work under the city would eventually be discovered by the citizenry above. Without sufficient distractions, they feared interruption before their plans could come to fruition. Killing and replacing a low-profile member of the Taldan senate, the Veiled Master began an infiltration of the city's governmental bodies.
Once he grasped the political tension in the city, the Veiled Master took it upon himself to enslave a member of Grand Prince Stavian's Ulfen Guard with his domination ability. This Ulfen Guard was thereby ordered to assassinate the Grand Prince in his palace. The assassination plot went off successfully and while other members of the Ulfen Guard attempted to refute their involvement and innocence, the royal magistrate had the lot of them rounded up and executed publicly.
Stavian's funeral was a somber but overwrought affair that gripped the city for a week, during which time the legislative bodies panicked in trying to determine a proper line of succession, as Stavian had no male heirs and by Taldan law a woman cannot inherit the Primogen Crown. At this time, an unknowing puppet of the aboleth seduced by power and magic stepped forward to claim that Taldor had no legitimate heir, and therefore it was the responsibility of the Taldan military to assume control of the city until such a time as the senate could determine a legal course of action.
This Taldan Admiral began a coup-de-tat by attempting to arrest Princess Eutrophia before she could rally support behind her questionable legitimacy. Unfortunately, Eutrophia had already been secreted out of the city by her supporters, leaving the Admiral in charge for a time. In her wake, Eutrophia traveled west to Andoran to seek aid in "liberating" her people from what she played up as a bloody coup, putting the full blame for her father's assassination on the Admiral. Eutrophia's supporters in Oppara, meanwhile, continued to rally for her support and return.
Eutrophia leveraged the social inequality in Taldor (the status of the Bearded versus the Unbearded) to show that it was time for the citizenry of Taldor to rise up against their "oppressors." This people's movement began to gain traction in the senate who saw that the instability caused martial law and military rule was tearing the city apart with riots and a collapse of public works and order. Learning of this, the Admiral forcibly disbanded the senate and branded them all traitors to the Empire, having them locked away.
Around this time, the aboleth successfully excavated the orrery they were looking for, which allowed the Veiled Master to expand his telepathic influence across all of the city. Slowly he began stoking those fires of rebellion, until finally the riots broke out into full-on fighting in the streets between Taldan military forces and a civil uprising. In response, the Admiral created a naval blockade around Oppara and refused to allow foreign ships inside the city out of a "fear" that they would further destabilize the region.
Eutrophia returned to Taldor in secret several months later along with a slow trickle of Andoran Eagle Knights who would lay the groundwork for a full land invasion of Taldor. Unfortunately, Eutrophia and the Eagle Knights fell under the sway of the Veiled Master's telepathic network, and so all the pieces it needed were aligned.
What followed was nothing short of a civil war inside of Oppara with "Queen Reagent" Eutrophia claiming the Primogen Crown and the Taldan Admiral commanding his forces from his flagship in the blockade. The city became divided along the channels dividing it, with the fiercest fighting in the areas bordering the division. Whole city blocks burned, barricades were put up on the mithral span and thousands were displaced in the intense street-to-street fighting.
Enter the PCs right around this time.
With the aboleth's attention on manipulating the civil war in a manner that would propagate the violence until they were completed with their plans, the PCs actions and presence went largely unnoticed. The city was embroiled in a bloody civil war and a handful of outsiders arriving by land didn't raise any eyebrows. The PCs discover the corpse of a citizen floating in the harbor that they surmised had been affected by fleshwarping (see Inner Sea Magic) and pushed to investigate. They eventually discovered that prisoners from a jail in Oppara were being sold through a local thieves guild, and following that trail found out that the guild was shipping the prisoner-slaves under the city.
During this time they attempted to gain audience with representatives of the Queen Reagent and the Admiral in order to warn them that something was afoot in the city and perhaps they should stop trying to kill each other long enough to investigate. After using some clever diplomatic ploys they were able to get these meetings. Initially they met with the Admiral (whom they had initially sided with for attempting to maintain law and order in the wake of Eutrophia's unlawful bid for the crown) and discovered that he showed signs of charmed influence. So they went to Eutrophia as a failsafe and discovered the exact same thing.
Realizing they couldn't trust the local authorities, and unfortunately revealing themselves to the aboleth in the process, the PCs took the fight below the streets by fighting their way into Seven Towers, which they (rightfully) believed would connect to any underlying Azlanti ruins beneath the city.
After a long and grueling dungeon crawl through sunken Azlanti ruins and numerous encounters with enslaved servants of the aboleth, they discovered that the prisoners that had gone missing were indeed sold to the aboleth. What they had thought was fleshwarping was actually the effects of the mucus cloud of aboleth, and these mutated prisoners were toiling in underwater mines, digging out the calcified remains of more ancient aboleth dating back to Starfall (see Lords of Madness, a 3.5 supplement about the Aboleth. It talks about how aboleth can enter a petrified state of eternal sleep when out of water for too long. I always loved that notion.)
Eventually the PCs discovered the heart of the aboleth's under-city network and found the Azlanti orrery at the heart of it. The group's magus was able to discern that it was larger and more advanced than other Azlanti orrery and he believed that it was somehow connected to other orrery around the world, based on the design of the machine that looked to represent other, smaller structures as satellites to the central device. The PCs believed that the aboleth were working to use the orrery to network to the other orrerys around the world in an attempt to build a global telepathic network that would allow one veiled master to enslave entire cities with its domination ability.
An ensuing confrontation with the aboleth began, and during the conflict the party was still trying to ascertain how to safely deactivate or destroy the orrery. The chamber began to flood as the aboleth forces opened sluice gates that had been used to drain the chamber to allow the sunken orrery to function, and in came additional aboleth and eventually the veiled master itself. With the water rising and the PCs feeling outnumbered, the group's magus continued to study the device and discerned that this orrery -- like one that must have existed in Azlant -- also represented celestial bodies around Golarion's solar system. THe last piece of the puzzle was put in place as the magus determined that the orrery would not just serve as a telepathic network, but also an ancient targeting device for an aboleth "final solution," refined from the inadvertantly apocalyptic one that destroyed Azlant and their own empire.
The PCs worked together to fend off their attackers while they all attempted to operate different wings of the orrery to the only end they could possibly imagine would save Taldor -- and by extension the world -- from a resurgent aboleth empire.
They used the orrery to open a gateway to the dark tapestry and called down a meteorite of modest size directed to Oppara. In a monumental sacrifice, the PCs caused a second (infinitely smaller in scale) starfall on Taldor that destroyed the lost orrery, the aboleth, and half of Oppara along with tens of thousands of lives.
Once freed of the aboleth's influence, Queen-Reagent Eutrophia and the Admiral put aside their civil war to save the city and its people in the aftermath of the celestial event. Neither side had any awareness of what actually caused the meteorite to fall, but both took it as a sign to end their aggressions.
The senate was released, and over time a treaty was signed dividing the empire of Taldor along a line formed by the destruction of the fallen star. Taldor would be divided North and South along Oppara with the ruins created by the second starfall as a memorial and no-man's-land. Queen Eutrophia would rule Northern Taldor and its holdings, while the Imperial Navy under the guidance of the Admiral would rule Southern Taldor (and eventually lead to a conflict with Qadira, but that's another story entirely...)
Awesome stuff
Nice.
Since we have kind of gotten off topic I am going to post my ideas for the "4715" Path in another thread.
"In order to further strengthen his empire and to gain loyal supporters, Stavian III also created an incentive program which promised formal titles to anyone willing to claim lands from rogue lords. This ensured that lords regarded as 'unworthy' of their position by the crown could be forcibly removed and replaced by individuals loyal to the Grand Prince."
That's book 1 and maybe 2 right there. Gives the PCs a reason to be actively involved in Taldan politics.
I'm a big fan of Taldor and it makes me very happy to see my Wiki entry appear on the Paizo messageboard. :)
Bring on the Taldor Adventure Path!! :D
I would like to know more about Princess Eutropia as well, such as, does she support the ban on the worship of Sarenrae or oppose it? Hopefully she doesn't turn out evil. She could lead Taldor to a new Golden Age or just let it crumble. I would hope that Taldor would prosper.
Sounding off as anouther voice for more Eutropia and Taldor. I would also be game to see her pop up in an Absalom AP as well, considering there is canon of parties in the shadow war wanting her to take over and use Absalom as the main powerbase of a revived Taldor. Been waiting for more on this for a very long time actually.
If ever there was a time to bust out my Arcane Duelist with a Falcata, A Taldan AP would be it.
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To the OP:
There is a PFS scenario that revolves around Princess Eutropia's machinations.
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Neat I'll check it out.
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Neat I'll check it out.To the OP:
There is a PFS scenario that revolves around Princess Eutropia's machinations.
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I just spotted this thread and was about to say the same thing.
So in short, we might infer that much of what you see the Sovereign Court doing in Pathfinder Society Organized Play also aligns with Princess Eutropia's interests. Of course, I stress that she's an intelligent and complicated character, and her working relationship with Lady Morilla is only one facet of Eutropia's ambitions/motivations/activities. Anything more than that awaits another adventure to shed more light on the matter—or an enterprising GM who might adapt her for use in a home game to tell a great story.
I was planning on using Eutropia in a house-game of mine where her father is murdered by one of the neighboring factions nobles that was under mind-control. This would spark a war and Eutropia would be in charge of the armies that my players would partake in as there is nobody else that would be able to take charge in a moments notice. My players would participate in the war as well as find out who is pulling the strings.