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Would I have to GAIN 8 LEVELS in the INQUISITOR CLASS in order to qualify for the Fearless Supernatural Ability of the Valor Inquisition or am I allowed to SPLIT those 8 LEVELS between INQUISITOR and another divine-based CLASS (such as RANGER) or a divine-based PRESTIGE CLASS?
I don't think that domains stack.
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They stack:
Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.
Can we get an official ruling from Paizo's staff? As it is now the wording is just plan confuzzling.
Wording is a bit confusing......I always read it that the cleric levels stack only for the specific domain that the cleric and Inquisitor have in common (since this is in the Inquisitor class description talking about the Inquisitor's domain powers):
Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. [b]If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.
But reading it again I can see it as more broad than my initial interpretation so would also like to hear the official answer.
They stack:
Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.
They do not stack. Clerics cannot take Inquisitions. You must share the feature for them to stack as described in the PRD quote above.
They do not stack. Clerics cannot take Inquisitions. You must share the feature for them to stack as described in the PRD quote above.They stack:
Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.
Clerics are allowed to take Inquisitions. They are merely advised against it, for obvious reasons.
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They do not stack. Clerics cannot take Inquisitions. You must share the feature for them to stack as described in the PRD quote above.They stack:
Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.
Inquisitions: Turns out Inquisitions can't be taken by any other class: "Inquisitions are domains that only inquisitors can take. They are not open to any other class that uses domains." I had originally thought there was something that said Inquisitions could be taken by anyone with the domain feature, but apparently such is not the case.
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You know what's weird? Over here it says:"Inquisitions are intended for inquisitors, not for other classes that give access to domains. While a cleric or other domain-using class can select an inquisition in place of a domain...", so apparently the rules flat out contradict each other in two different source books.
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I used the PRD, and it's written in PRD Ultimate magic
Inquisitions
If you look at the links in my posts, I used the PRD as well. And in one place in the PRD, it says classes who can take domains can take Inquisitions. In another place in the PRD, it says they can't, and that Inquisitions are for Inquisitors only. That was my point. There are two completely contradictory rules in place.
Thanks guys but so far I don't have an answer to my question. The Fearless Supernatural Ability states that, "At 8th LEVEL (etc etc)". Great. 8th LEVELS OF WHAT? INQUISITOR CLASS LEVELS ONLY or is it referring to your TOTAL CLASS LEVEL (and thus an Inquisitor 5/Ranger 3 could QUALIFY for it)? Please help me out Paizo!
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Thanks guys but so far I don't have an answer to my question. The Fearless Supernatural Ability states that, "At 8th LEVEL (etc etc)". Great. 8th LEVELS OF WHAT? INQUISITOR CLASS LEVELS ONLY or is it referring to your TOTAL CLASS LEVEL (and thus an Inquisitor 5/Ranger 3 could QUALIFY for it)? Please help me out Paizo!
This was clarified for you earlier in the thread. You have to have 8 levels in a class that grants you the Valor Inquisition. Classes that do not progress the domain will not count towards your requirements.
"Note that there are a number of effects and prerequisites that rely on a character's level or Hit Dice. Such effects are always based on the total number of levels or Hit Dice a character possesses, not just those from one class. The exception to this is class abilities, most of which are based on the total number of class levels that a character possesses of that particular class."
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"Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells."
You only advance your domain powers (or Inquisition powers in this case since they're a specialized type of Domain) by taking levels in a class that advances the domain.
Thank you Ssalarn and Defraeter. This clears up alot for me.
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Defraeter, I don't think the third option is possible because of what Deylinarr posted.
Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.
Otherwise looks spot on.
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Defraeter, I don't think the third option is possible because of what Deylinarr posted.
Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.Otherwise looks spot on.
Issue with that is the fact that Domains are not Inquisitions and as such are not subject to that rule
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That seems more like a loophole than rule as intended. Clerics can take inquisitions. If you're an Inquisitor with a Domain and multiclass to cleric, you have to select that Domain as a cleric Domain. If you're an Inquisitor with an Inquisition and multiclass to cleric, you should also have to select that Inquisition as a cleric. It's a bit weaker since you don't have two domain spells to choose from per level, but unless you're a Cloistered Cleric and only get one domain your second domain will still let you fill all your domain slots.
Ruling otherwise feels a bit like forbidding a multiclass Cavalier from taking Boon Companion because his horse isn't an animal companion, it's a "Mount" that only "functions as a druid's animal companion." Technically RAW, but is the distinction really important for that purpose?
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Not really considering just like 3.5 they make option out there that are weaker or stronger based on the players choice, If someone wants to take an inquisition as an inquisitor and take domains as a cleric they are actually gimping themselves somewhat BECAUSE their levels wouldn't stack... much like taking Cleric and Life Oracle Without channeling Or Cavalier and Ranger without an animal companion.
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In which case you could allow an Inquisitor/Cleric to choose whether or not he stacks a shared Domain/Inquisition or to take three different Domains/Inquisitions that do not stack.
Or you could restrict it such that one of the cleric domains has to be the same as the Inquisitor Domain/Inquisitions, and that the shared Domain/Inquisition stacks. This is more in line with RAW, if not perfectly due to the technicality.
Either one works for me.
What I don't like is saying that an Inquisitor with a Domain must take that domain as a cleric (and stack it), but an Inquisitor with an Inquisition may choose whether or not to take that Inquisition as a cleric, because the rule requiring a shared Domain technically does not apply to Inquisitions.
I can see someone wanting to dip Inquisitor for the Conversion or Heresy inquisitions and take two different, less advanced domains rather than continuing with the weaker high-level benefits of the Inquisition. If a character is allowed to dip Inquisitions for these low-level benefits they should be allowed to dip Domains.
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Normally I would agree, but sadly the way the game functions SOMETIMES there are things that function great one way but not the other. Especially for dips. Crossblooded Sorc, Fighter, Dervish Dancer Bard, Vivisectionist Alchemist, MoMS Monk, barbarian... The list continues.. I would be perfectly fine with your ruling but I would also be fine with the other... RAW however does not force one with an inquisition to have to then pick it for a domain and vice-versa..