Nothing from Pathfinder Adventure Path #46 - Wake of the Watcher is legal for PFS.
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You can be a worshipper of Old Cults in general, but other than Dagon(who is not in fact an Old Cult god as such), no specific Mythos gods and such are legal for play. If you are not doing a cleric or an inquisitor, you'll be fine.
Now that I mull over this, it's a big list of "nos": Faction Guide's faction system is not in play. Wake of the Watcher(and delicious mi-go tech!) is not legal and Inner Sea World Guide's Old Cults section is not legal(since they don't get anything definite, except the Void domain). You are allowed to pick up the corresponding trait from Faiths of Corruption, however.
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Let me clear a couple of things. Lets start with the OP
The Old Ones are not legal for worship for anyone in PFS no matter what class you are. By PFS rules no matter what class you are you need to choose a legal deity.
That is answered in this FAQ
What deities are legal choices for PCs?
The deities legal for use in Pathfinder Society Organized Play are compiled in this messageboard post.
The list in that post has been updated since the original post as warned in that post. For your convenience Here is the link to the latest list of legal deities.
Onto Hero Labs, the choice of the Old Ones being a legal choice for PFS in a known error and will be fixed in a future update.
Onto the Blog Post mentioned by Vincent Colon-Roine, that blog post is just a list of subdomains of all the deities, and it is Not a list of Legal deities. You can not use that as a choice on if a Deity is legal for PFS.
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In the past I have brought up the subdomains blog post as a source making certain gods legal since those deities are mentioned in the post and that post is legal for PFS. Also, in the past in private discussions with Mike and Mark I was led to believe that an Oracle of Lissala was legal.
But since then, there has been no public (or private AFAIK) support for this position from PFS campaign leadership. In fact, the FAQ that was added (above) seems to make it clear that Lissala is not a valid deity choice for PFS.
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Well, is this for a cleric/inquisitor or something else?
Other classes can worship banjo the clown if they so choose. (given the specific example I think we can safely rule out a paladin of cuthulu)
That is not actually true, No matter what class you are if you elect to worship a deity it must be a legal deity from a deity listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource. Otherwise, characters who do not receive powers from a divine source may choose to be atheists or to have no deity at all. This is described on page 10 of the guide.
There is a new option for classes who do not receive powers from a divine source to choose Pantheon of Deities if they own Pathfinder Player Companion - Faiths & Philosophies.
No matter the class, you cannot just make up your own gods or select a deity that is not legal for PFS. So sorry no banjo the clown.
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There is a new option for classes who do not receive powers from a divine source to choose Pantheon of Deities if they own Pathfinder Player Companion - Faiths & Philosophies.
No matter the class, you cannot just make up your own gods or select a deity that is not legal for PFS. So sorry no banjo the clown.
BANJO SMITE!
More seriously, what is the difference between an atheist and someone worshiping banjo the clown or Aroden? Since neither is legal for PFS, neither should have any in game effects.
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In Faiths & Philosophies, they have a whole section about worshiping False Gods -- after which I put together an Arcane Healer Bard who worships the members of the Cult of the Failed (people who attempted the test of the Starstone, but failed). It's authentically Golarion-flavored, and has no actual rule effects, so why wouldn't that be PFS legal?
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All I can say to both of you is that if you don't like the rules I would suggest starting a new thread to convince Mike to change the rules.
You know what the rule is, it is fairly clear so I don't know if you want an answer around the rule which there isn't or a change to the rule.
If you are looking for a way around the rule PFS may not be a good option for that character . If you want a change to the rule follow my advice above.
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I would like to put emphasis on something, if ever you find a character concept in conflict with PFS rules instead of getting angry or storming off, make a different character with a different concept that falls into the Pathfinder Society ideals. Your imagination is limitless, don't get stuck on one idea if it does not work.
There are many things not allowed in PFS not because they don't work for organized play but because they don' work as a concept as a Pathfinder, which remember that is what you are first and foremost.
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All I can say to both of you is that if you don't like the rules I would suggest starting a new thread to convince Mike to change the rules.
You know what the rule is, it is fairly clear so I don't know if you want an answer around the rule which there isn't or a change to the rule.
If you are looking for a way around the rule PFS may not be a good option for that character . If you want a change to the rule follow my advice above.
Its not getting around the rule, its getting around someone reading "no x" and then expanding it to "no X Y or Z". The rule doesn't need a change, people trying to make something an issue over absolutely nothing do.
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Let me clear a couple of things. Lets start with the OP
The Old Ones are not legal for worship for anyone in PFS no matter what class you are. By PFS rules no matter what class you are you need to choose a legal deity.
That is answered in this FAQ
What deities are legal choices for PCs?
The deities legal for use in Pathfinder Society Organized Play are compiled in this messageboard post.The list in that post has been updated since the original post as warned in that post. For your convenience Here is the link to the latest list of legal deities.
Onto Hero Labs, the choice of the Old Ones being a legal choice for PFS in a known error and will be fixed in a future update.
Onto the Blog Post mentioned by Vincent Colon-Roine, that blog post is just a list of subdomains of all the deities, and it is Not a list of Legal deities. You can not use that as a choice on if a Deity is legal for PFS.
Thanks for the document it will be a big help.
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All I can say to both of you is that if you don't like the rules I would suggest starting a new thread to convince Mike to change the rules.
You know what the rule is, it is fairly clear so I don't know if you want an answer around the rule which there isn't or a change to the rule.
If you are looking for a way around the rule PFS may not be a good option for that character . If you want a change to the rule follow my advice above.
Its not getting around the rule, its getting around someone reading "no x" and then expanding it to "no X Y or Z". The rule doesn't need a change, people trying to make something an issue over absolutely nothing do.
I think he did a GREAT job of laying it out in the above linked document. I just checked the guide against his document and it says you can only chose to worship what is in a legal table. He didnt add to this.
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I think he did a GREAT job of laying it out in the above linked document. I just checked the guide against his document and it says you can only chose to worship what is in a legal table. He didnt add to this.All I can say to both of you is that if you don't like the rules I would suggest starting a new thread to convince Mike to change the rules.
You know what the rule is, it is fairly clear so I don't know if you want an answer around the rule which there isn't or a change to the rule.
If you are looking for a way around the rule PFS may not be a good option for that character . If you want a change to the rule follow my advice above.
Its not getting around the rule, its getting around someone reading "no x" and then expanding it to "no X Y or Z". The rule doesn't need a change, people trying to make something an issue over absolutely nothing do.
This is what he added
you need to choose a legal deity.
You do not. The only characters that need deities are clerics, inquisitors, and paladins. The rest can choose to have none.
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Relevant section from page 10 of the Guide:
Religion: Characters can elect to worship any deity
listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner
Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and
Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional
Resource. Characters may elect to worship an evil god,
but must always be within one alignment step of their
chosen deity. For clerics, this is an especially important
choice, since the deity’s alignment determines whether
the cleric channels positive or negative energy, a decision
with significant tactical implications for the cleric and
her allies. Clerics, inquisitors, paladins, cavaliers of the
order of the star, and samurai of the order of the star must
choose a deity as all classes in Golarion that receive spells
and abilities from a specific divine source receive their
powers from a deity. Druids, oracles, and rangers are
the exception to this rule. The list is not exhaustive, and
divine spellcasters of any future classes whose sources are
added as additional resources to the Pathfinder Society
Organized Play campaign will be required to choose a
deity unless otherwise specified. Otherwise, characters
who do not receive powers from a divine source may
choose to be atheists or to have no deity at all.
So, if you are a Cleric, Inquisitor, Paladin, Cavalier/Samurai of the order of the star, you *must* select a deity from the approved list.
Anyone else can choose whether or not they worship a deity, but if they do, it, again, *must* be from the approved list.
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This is what he addedyou need to choose a legal deity.
You do not. The only characters that need deities are clerics, inquisitors, and paladins. The rest can choose to have none.
Actually, That is exactly what I said.. Read my post again..
No matter what class you are if you elect to worship a deity it must be a legal deity from a deity listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource. Otherwise, characters who do not receive powers from a divine source may choose to be atheists or to have no deity at all. This is described on page 10 of the guide.
There is a new option for classes who do not receive powers from a divine source to choose Pantheon of Deities if they own Pathfinder Player Companion - Faiths & Philosophies.
No matter the class, you cannot just make up your own gods or select a deity that is not legal for PFS. So sorry no banjo the clown.
So you can't make up your own god like you suggested in your post, if you decide not to worship one of the legal deities you have to choose to be atheists or to have no deity at all. Of course Clerics, inquisitors, paladins, cavaliers of the order of the star, and samurai of the order of the star must choose a deity.
So I never said you Had to choose a deity, just that it needs to be legal.
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If its not real, its not a deity.
In Arodens case, its a corpse. In Banjos case, its a hand puppet.
Trying to take out one of the most iconic piece of Golarion lore off of the options for players because of a pedantic reading of a rule meant for clerics is beyond silly.
Besides not being able to write "Aroden" in the sheet how does this even work? My character can't say "aroden bless you" when you sneeze or he gets tossed out of the society?
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well. actually you can. your character has free will, just like anywhere else. if he wants to say he worships Bonjo the Clown, that's fine. He's clearly an athiest or touched in the head, and people will look at him funny and try to get him committed if he pulls out a holy symbol of Bonjo.
Just like people can say they worship Aroden in the real world, a chair, or an elephant in the corner. they have no Deity from the selected list, but they still have BELIEF AND FAITH. its a roleplay choice. why take that away when it has no mechanical effect on the game?
Just because the guide says you must chose a Deity if you're a certain class, doesn't mean that you can't have an opinion about the old gods, aroden, or razmir. and if you're not a divine class, you can take that opinion further, like carrying around an old symbol of aroden, or a razmiri mask or holy symbol. that doesn't make them illegal, you've still got no Deity. but you're following some religious practices.
why must people get their panties in a twist over religions?
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If its not real, its not a deity.
In Arodens case, its a corpse. In Banjos case, its a hand puppet.
Trying to take out one of the most iconic piece of Golarion lore off of the options for players because of a pedantic reading of a rule meant for clerics is beyond silly.
Besides not being able to write "Aroden" in the sheet how does this even work? My character can't say "aroden bless you" when you sneeze or he gets tossed out of the society?
Exactly, and here's a more basic question
Razmiran Priest is a legal Prestige class for PFS. But Razmir is not on the list of legal deities. So how exactly does that work?
And I'm not angry or upset, I just don't understand the rule interpretation that limits who a character can *claim* to worship, without any non-RP benefits.
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If its not real, its not a deity.
In Arodens case, its a corpse. In Banjos case, its a hand puppet.
Trying to take out one of the most iconic piece of Golarion lore off of the options for players because of a pedantic reading of a rule meant for clerics is beyond silly.
Besides not being able to write "Aroden" in the sheet how does this even work? My character can't say "aroden bless you" when you sneeze or he gets tossed out of the society?
Exactly, and here's a more basic question
Razmiran Priest is a legal Prestige class for PFS. But Razmir is not on the list of legal deities. So how exactly does that work?
And I'm not angry or upset, I just don't understand the rule interpretation that limits who a character can *claim* to worship, without any non-RP benefits.
Of course you can worship Razmir, there are three fine sanctioned modules which that character background even tie into. You just can't be a class which gains their powers from a divine source since he is not actually divine.
Fluff is fluff. Crunch is what is banned by PFS rules.
Furthermore this "your character just thinks that they have whatever fluff I don't like" is incredibly condescending towards the player and their presumably thought out character choices and needs to stop in PFS. I don't know if anyone has actually done this to people at a table but I see it all over the forums.
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Once again, it seems like you guys are complaining to me, which is the wrong person, I am just telling you the rules, if you don't like them feel free to start another thread to convince Mike to change them. If the rules were changed i would have no issue with that.
That said, not liking the rule does not give you leeway to break the rules. If you decide not to follow any rule in PFS you have no standing to complain or be mad at the GM if he calls you on it. GM can't be blamed for following the rules, it is his job to.
So please go ahead start a new thread asking to make chooses for worshiping deities not restricted in PFS.
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you're just the one restating the rules.
but we're also complaining that your interpretation of the rules is a bit too stringent.
not worshipping a Deity is accomplished by worshipping Aroden. He's not a Deity, so its not against the RAW in the guide. Just like my sock is not a god, so its not against what's written to worship it.
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Dragnmoon, the way I understand the rule is" You cannot worship a deity that is not on this list." So, you can't worship Lissala, nor Shub Niggurath, both of whom are established deities in Golarion.
You are understanding the rule as "If your PC claims to worship a deity, he or she must claim to worship one from this list." That's different. As I understand it, when the gods are real, there's a difference between pretending to worship a thing and actually doing so.
There is a certain percentage of deluded people in Golarion. (I would even propose that the percentage is higher among PCs.) I think it's fine to play somebody who "worships Banjo the Clown", but not somebody who worships C'thulhu.
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I just realized , the Green Faith isn't on the list.
its mentioned in prestige vanities in the society guidebook, follower of the green faith or something. with a bonus to knowledge nature .
and its described in the inner sea world guid.
but according to Dragonmoon's strict adherence to the wording in the PFS Guide, a Druid could not worship the Green Faith. He would need to pick a particular deity, or worship no deity at all.
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Dragnmoon, the way I understand the rule is" You cannot worship a deity that is not on this list." So, you can't worship Lissala, nor Shub Niggurath, both of whom are established deities in Golarion.
You are understanding the rule as "If your PC claims to worship a deity, he or she must claim to worship one from this list." That's different. As I understand it, when the gods are real, there's a difference between pretending to worship a thing and actually doing so.
There is a certain percentage of deluded people in Golarion. (I would even propose that the percentage is higher among PCs.) I think it's fine to play somebody who "worships Banjo the Clown", but not somebody who worships C'thulhu.
Thanks Chris that is a much better explanation on what some are trying to say here and allows me to explain my position better.
Sure you can pretend to worship all you want, that can become very important in some scenarios. I am not saying you can't pretend or have your PC lie about the deity he worships. What I am saying is that the PC can't actually choose to actively worship a deity not on the list.
Being delusional is neither pretending nor lying about your active worship of your deity. When you are delusional you are actively worshiping the deity. A delusional character who decides his delusion he actively worships C'thulhu or banjo the clown is just not a concept that will currently work in PFS.
And on this:
You understand the rule as "if your PC claims to worship a deity, he or she must claim to worship one from this list.
So like I said a PC can claim anything he wants, it just can't actually be true if he claims to worship banjo the clown. I know the distinction is odd, but as the rule states once you have choosing to *actively* worship a deity you must choose from the list allowed. So a PC can Claim to worship banjo the clown all he wants but in truth he actually actively worships a different deity, worships none or is an atheist.
And Vincent Colon-Roine your green faith thing I will look at later when I get home and have more resources at and, and I will look at your post.
Edit: And on Razmir, from what I remember off the top of my head about the Razmir Priest, those with the Razmir Archetype are just claiming falsely that they worship Razmir. They know he is not an Actual God and purposely try to lie to others to convince them otherwise. So that would fall into the "Claiming" but not Actual category.